[AFMUG] Fiber Installation Agreement

Anyone have one of these they would be able to share? I thought Chuck Hogg posted one a while back, but I can't seem to find it. Thanks. Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either hardware or software. Besides the fact that they entire company is based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed. On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. > > *From:* Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview Define module? On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: I’m not sure I equate “previously owned”

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

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Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

It's a slippery noodle only if they plead ignorance, which the Chinese government does, which is the issue. The world as a whole needs to have it's collective head examined for handing this country the keys to manufacturing all our stuff. On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Define module? On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco > had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for > the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW

Re: [AFMUG] PTP500/600 recovery mode likely cause?

FYI, it appears I got lucky and it was the PIDU. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 7:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP500/600 recovery mode likely cause? It's most likely the cable or grounding but it could be the pidu. I would verify good cabling and grounding

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract just so you can upgrade the SW. What I won’t do is buy the

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

IOS CLI is not special in any way, and never was. IMO: Vyatta/VyOS/EdgeOS > Juniper > Linux*/BSD > MikroTik > IOS/IOS-XR / Broadcom Fastpath / Procurve, tons of other stuff > Comware (heh) On Mar 20, 2016 6:24 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Copying a CLI is different than copying

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Yeah, except when it came to Copyrights and patent protection, the question becomes whose law is it ? US law ? Chinese Law ? or International Law ? e.g. There are countries which don't recognize Copyright Laws, and for good reasons... so copying stuff has different meaning... This is a very

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Copying a CLI is different than copying typo for typo the source code and manuals. Frankly, I don't think the Cisco CLI is all that special. I think being a Cisco fanboy makes someone less useful than anyone else as they're stuck on Cisco vs. being agile in different command structures.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Now, that's just not fair. Plenty of excellent beer. Just get it in bottles and avoid it on tap. Unless of course you're outside Utah, in which case they ship the real stuff in kegs. On 03/20/2016 02:26 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Your beer still sucks. On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I *never* *ever* did that... On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive routers we deployed hmmm *From:*

[AFMUG] Dumb idea for fiber scope

so a real fiber scope with CCD camera and LCD display, the kind you want to use on live DWDM systems so you don't burn out your eyeball, costs $1200... Is there any reason to think that for SC and LC ferrules and singlemode, this would work if I could glue a $75 1080p webcam to its eyepiece and

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

However, I do much prefer a Saccharomyces cerevisiae to a Saccharomyces uvarum. On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Jeremy wrote: > I have tried literally thousands and thousands of beers. I am a beer > aficionado. The great thing about Epic is that it is like an artists

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I have tried literally thousands and thousands of beers. I am a beer aficionado. The great thing about Epic is that it is like an artists palette for beer. Every release is numbered and you can read the brewers notes online. It is beer for beer geeks. On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Lewis

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I think maybe you need to try more beer from around the world. On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:41 PM Jeremy wrote: > We have 9-12% ABV if you buy direct at the Brewery. Some of the best beer > in the world made right here in SLC. http://www.epicbrewing.com/ > > They've even

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

We have 9-12% ABV if you buy direct at the Brewery. Some of the best beer in the world made right here in SLC. http://www.epicbrewing.com/ They've even found a way to sell it cold, and on Sunday! (with a small Panini 'closet'... restaurant license) On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Lewis

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

I'm liking those politics. On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Chuck McCown wrote: > Latest polls in Utah show: > Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”. > (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off > on Friday). > > Polls now show, if Trump is the

Re: [AFMUG] Winbox 3.3

I have to admit, we were trying to trade address lists between the "mac winbox", which actually may be a basterdized version that is in some limbo-land between 3.x and 2.x. As long as your winbox is actually running on windows, then the issues are more muted. bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Your beer still sucks. On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 2:21 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > Latest polls in Utah show: > Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”. > (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off > on Friday). > > Polls now show, if Trump is the

[AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

Latest polls in Utah show: Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”. (Things were not looking great for him but he really shot his own dick off on Friday). Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he loses. No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted... Gotta love Utah!

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive routers we deployed hmmm From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I have had several products ripped off by Chinese companies. I was actually flattered I made something worthy of ripping off. Also learned that my design patent actually had some value. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Yeah, I remember the kids would give another kid a hard time if their radio said made in Taiwan etc. We really had no concept of why we were picking on someone with a nice radio. Just something mean to do. Later, picking on girls you actually liked didn’t seem to work so well... From: Ken

Re: [AFMUG] Winbox 3.3

Hm. Well, I just exported my 2.x address list and it imported into 3.3 no problem. Then I did the groups. So far looks like it's working with no random crap yet. I renamed my 2.2.18 exe and will keep it around for a while. On 3/20/2016 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I've tried it a few times

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

F yeah! From: Cameron Crum Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 10:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review You asked for a dose of Team America... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: It kept my

[AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I suppose I can agree with you guys on some of these points. I'm not talking about just stealing the software, but the hardware that goes along with it as well. US companies could not get away with such a blatant ripoff. Many big foreign and domestic companies steal IP from other companies. The

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran: 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way to buy it from Dubai. 2) Isn't it a good thing

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

People were duplicating the Cisco IOS CLI a long time before Huawei - have you ever logged into a series of Foundry's gigabit (24/48 port PoE and non-PoE) switches? On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Yep, what goes around comes around... and no one has the exclusive on the divide and conquer strategy, along with creating FUD... it is getting rampant on all sides... and that is why this has to stop, so that meaningful actions can be taken to keep everyone inline. This is not limited to

Re: [AFMUG] Winbox 3.3

I've tried it a few times with mixed results. I know that the router access list is not interchangeable between 3.x and 2.x. I'm still using 2.2.18 because of the various glitches. Kind of stupid that there's no easy D/L of any of the 2.x versions. bp On

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

This. There's a lot of finger pointing going on towards any non-us entity, when the reality is that the US ones are just as bad if not worse. It's to the point where companies outside of the US are making the call to not buy US companies equipment and services anymore due to corporate antics and

[AFMUG] Winbox 3.3

Anyone using it yet? Any issues? The last time I tried any Winbox 3.x (3.2 I think), it was really stupid. Had a bunch of routers that then no longer stored preference info when connecting with Winbox 2. Then I think the next 3.x beta did something that fixed it, and I gave up on 3.x.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I agree with Josh. I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not compromised ethics at one point in time or another Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... nothing stays still All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't like that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence most massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon getting money back every year. On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie"

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to eliminate competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another company's product all the way down to the software bugs. On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds wrote: > They did, sure. What

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Huawei has more headcount than Cisco does staff. They are selling routing, switching, gpon, and LTE products like hotcakes. On Mar 20, 2016 2:31 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > That’s pretty old news though. Huawei is so big now, probably other > companies are ripping off their

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

That’s pretty old news though. Huawei is so big now, probably other companies are ripping off their stuff. And with communications gear based mostly on open standards, open source software, the same chipsets, it comes down to packaging, manufacturing, sales and service. And the manufacturing

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore. I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money. No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good product just to

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Oh grow up, get a grip. The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world. The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

Was involved in a temporary link we installed an AF24 where it was co-located with an AF24HD. The two remote locations were less than a couple degrees apart, and we had all kinds of grief trying to put the two masters (the co-located radios) on the same frequency in FD mode. We got it to run

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

They do. HD and freq swap on same side. On Mar 20, 2016 1:52 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > I guess the reason for running them in HD mode would be so you only need > to use one channel... not typically a problem at 24ghz, but there are > probably a few cases where it's

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

I guess the reason for running them in HD mode would be so you only need to use one channel... not typically a problem at 24ghz, but there are probably a few cases where it's useful. I wonder if two links that were more or less aimed the same direction would work in half duplex mode... On Sun,

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

I don't need no stinkin' manuals :P On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > "Ain't nobody got time for that" > > > ;) > On Mar 20, 2016 11:41 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" > wrote: > >> Call me an idiot. I love these 'educational'

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview You are familiar with Cisco

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet snooping and repression, right? On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

Next time Faisal asks something we'll all tell him to read the manual ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > "Ain't nobody got time for that" > > > > ;) > >> On Mar 20, 2016 11:41 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Unrealistic, sure. I certainly wouldn't support a company that did, however. On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran and not use tricks to get around them is

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday,

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

"Ain't nobody got time for that" ;) On Mar 20, 2016 11:41 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" wrote: > Call me an idiot. I love these 'educational' threads... but I have to > ask > > Do you all start off by reading the Users Guide / Manual that comes with > the Airfiber 24,

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

Call me an idiot. I love these 'educational' threads... but I have to ask Do you all start off by reading the Users Guide / Manual that comes with the Airfiber 24, one can download it from the UBNT website as well... It is very concise and pretty clear in the different deployment

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

You asked for a dose of Team America... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > It kept my interest, most of the stuff was plausible. > Need a dose of Team America now and then. > > *From:* Jerry Head

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy moving from 1 color code per tower to 1 color code per AP

We were running one color code network-wide until a few years ago when more and more APs were being added and things got real messy. We do a lot of 4x90 clusters. So I split the network into two color codes. Back-to-back APs are on the same frequency (mostly) and the same color code. The SM's

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

Right. Full duplex doesn't need sync. Didn't realize they would run in HD. No idea why one would run them in HD mode Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > They can run in half duplex mode. I know the AF24 can only use 100mhz >

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

They can run in half duplex mode. I know the AF24 can only use 100mhz channels, I'm not sure if that's the case for the AF24HD or not, but I believe it is. Also, you don't really need sync with full duplex, as long as the other end can't see more than one of them and you keep all of them on the

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

How if they are full duplex? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Jeremy wrote: > > These totally really sync. > >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >> wrote: >> Do both the airfiber 24ghz non-HD and HD version

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

Do both the airfiber 24ghz non-HD and HD version use the same channel widths? Also are there two non overlapping channels in the 24ghz band or do these things totally really on sync for putting multiple units on 1 tower? On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy moving from 1 color code per tower to 1 color code per AP

I forgot to mention that you leave the original colorcode in the sm as well. Once all the sm's are recoded, you apply the new colorcode plan to the ap's and reboot them all at once. On 3/19/2016 3:37 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: Hey sterling, Yeah the SMs can have multiple color codes but the APs

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy moving from 1 color code per tower to 1 color code per AP

I have done this a few times. Like Sterling says, just put all six color code in the sm's and let the system sort itself out. You can remove the 'useless' codes after the site has settled down. I don't have any code to do it, it would have taken longer to write the code. On 3/19/2016 3:13 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

Yes no unsure, I believe by summer On Mar 17, 2016 12:16 PM, "Josh Baird" wrote: > I missed the UBNT session.. Is the form-factor of this radio the same as > the other AirFiberX radios? Does it have a SFP interface? When will they > be available? > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016

[AFMUG] 450 roadmap

40 MHz channels coming soon.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP 900

Dont forget the ---i :) On 3/16/2016 7:52 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yes, point to point 450 @ 900 MHz. 130 Mbps. --

[AFMUG] 1.2 Gbps

PTP 820C

Re: [AFMUG] 450M

Chuck, you’re a little early. April Fools isn’t for another sixteen days. Chris Wright Network Administrator Velociter Wireless 209-838-1221 x115 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

voip.ms has several east coast nodes, along with Montreal and Toronto. Not the absolutely best SIP trunk pricing, but close enough. If I couldn't use them, I would go with voxbeam. On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Sam Kirsch" wrote: > I know not everyone on this list does phone

Re: [AFMUG] Cool tool

It also has a TDWR layer that shows the radius. Awesome! On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > This thing is exceedingly cool. Quickly see who else has a licensed link > in your area. One click to FCC licensing info. > > *From:* Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

Yes, AirFiber is the same team that Moto used to make a lot of their high end products. On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > I'm pretty sure Mimosa actually is 802.11 based, but yeah the airFiber > certainly is not. > > Also, do NOT compare airFiber

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

I can tell you for certain that you can buy the B11 without providing any sort of license documentation. I think the main difference is that the B11 is really all that much cheaper than some of the other 11ghz radios that are already out there (nothing can come anywhere near the performance for

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

If you watch over the next couple of months, there will be some products they announce AFTER they're already in the chain. :) On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: > Should be shipping Summer 2017! J lol > > > > Thanks, > > > > [image:

Re: [AFMUG] OT - connected dog

This is getting ridiculous.. On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Wow, that's pretty interesting stuff. > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> >>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

Hopefully the VAR's have the decency to ask the question: "By the way, do you have the FCC license for this?" On 3/17/2016 10:45 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: That's a good point... hopefully, the price is still high enough to keep a good percentage of the idiots away, but between these and the

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

yes, 80 mhz On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > If I remember right they will support 80mhz wide > On Mar 17, 2016 8:48 AM, "Gino Villarini" wrote: > >> AF11x , single radio for all band. 1024 qam DuaL Pol. 600 mbps fdx so im >>

Re: [AFMUG] CTI

Marketing! ;-) Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On Mar 16, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Ty Featherling wrote: > > The only question I have for you Daniel, congratulations by the way, is what > is

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product

FDD I believe, but I don’t know why I believe that. I will ask if they are bucking the same freq with TDD. From: Stefan Englhardt Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 7:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT new product TDD or FDD? US only or international? Von: Af

[AFMUG] The new 450 beta and TDWR

Hey folks. I noticed that the TDWR band (5600-5650) is now available.. Are there special rules/regulations for using it? Thanks, Vlad

Re: [AFMUG] The new 450 beta and TDWR

Hi Eric, It is currently supported on the 450i (AP/SM/BH) and 450 SM. We are planning to have it available on the 450 AP not in 14.1.2, but perhaps the next release. Thanks, Sriram Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum On Mar 17, 2016,

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

Yeah, this is getting very annoying. never had any issues with them for years, now this past month have sucked, Chuck you use that for beehive? So like huge volume and you don't have any issues with them? From: Af on behalf of Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium

Telrad (and probably other flavors of LTE) will penetrate MANY trees and still achieve high data rates. Cambium PMP450 3.65 will penetrate a tree, maybe a few trees but will slow down to 1x or 2x. That's what our side by side real world testing has shown on our network. 2 cents -Sean On