[AFMUG] OT LENR

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Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/ sfp?

On 1/5/17 7:08 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Seriously? Can't have everything. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/ sfp?

Seriously? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 9:05:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/ sfp?

With a freakin license key to enable it. Ugh. On 1/5/2017 8:48 PM, Daniel White wrote: The 450m does indeed support an SFP module.

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/ sfp?

Agreed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Eric Kuhnke" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:44:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/ sfp?

The 450m does indeed support an SFP module. Most LTE base stations would as well. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/ sfp?

Vendors... If you're listening, a radio with an SFP port that you still have to power over 802.3af/802.3at PoE and a cat5e cable is not a real carrier grade solution. It needs to have screw terminals for a -48VDC connection, same as any proper carrier grade full outdoor licensed PTP radio. On

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/ sfp?

You would have heard me cheer from across the lake. I think the 450m might? Some MT ones do, but that's MT wireless... Some LTE ones do. Some announcements... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message

[AFMUG] 5GHz Multipoint w/ sfp?

any more recent options out there? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone recognize the manufacturer of this VoIP phone?

3com makes a lot of whitelable On Jan 5, 2017 5:23 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > It is not made by Teo, they're a SIP/IP PBX service provider that relabels > phones. > > https://www.teotech.com/products/ip/business/4104-business.php > > >

Re: [AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450

I think the real-world limit is about 12k PPS on the regular 450 AP. From what I've seen anyway. On 1/5/2017 6:34 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: This is a link about .75 miles out. Yeah I have a old 450 tower that i have been thinking about trying 30mhz on so that's interesting. I was worried

Re: [AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450

Can you share what your 30MHz AP's reach in terms of RF throughput maximum? You're using 450i correct? In testing, our regular 450 in 30MHz size seems to choke at capacity + ping times begin to spike. On 1/5/2017 4:50 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: I have a tower 4 90s 30mhz running back to

Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes

There's a corning CCH 1U panel that holds two CCH adapter plates. You should be able to find it for a reasonable cost from US distributors. Don't accept the listed price, the difference between full list price and actual price that ISPs pay for these is huge.

[AFMUG] Anyone recognize the manufacturer of this VoIP phone?

It is not made by Teo, they're a SIP/IP PBX service provider that relabels phones. https://www.teotech.com/products/ip/business/4104-business.php

Re: [AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450

I have a tower 4 90s 30mhz running back to back for months just screaming. I saw a good performance jump a month ago when i went from 14.2.1 to 15.1. From: Af on behalf of Brian Sullivan Sent: Thursday, January

Re: [AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450

We are back to back 20 + 30 for about a week. Seems OK. On 1/5/2017 2:51 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: Anyone using 30mhz? Is it possible to sync 20 with 30? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Doors for ePMP Force 200?

Yeah, obviously you need to be more specific about these things, and specify a strap that doesn't fall apart if you look at it wrong. Ubiquiti's straps are fine, but the ePMP's seem to fall off more often than not. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

At least the browser back button works properly now! On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > GUI improved in 3.2 I think > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

Yeah, that does not seem too much to ask in their top-of-the-line-most-expensive product. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison One thing ePMP has that 450

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

One thing ePMP has that 450 lacks is air-time fairness. You get that one SM running at low mod that puts a big dent in overall capacity. Hopefully they get this into 15.x. On 1/5/2017 1:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: RightIMO the number of subscribers the thing can efficiently handle is

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

GUI improved in 3.2 I think Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > It's mainly JS (client side) that makes the GUI so dreadful. But, I think > it's improved

Re: [AFMUG] Doors for ePMP Force 200?

Well Ubiquiti Beam2/5 400 straps work pretty well. I guess when we suggested the strap we should have specified that it was done well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

So far 3.2.1 looks pretty decent. GUI speed is much improved. I have it running on a couple DFS and non-DFS sites now. On 1/5/2017 2:17 PM, Josh Baird wrote: It's mainly JS (client side) that makes the GUI so dreadful. But, I think it's improved greatly in 3.x. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:52

[AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450

Anyone using 30mhz? Is it possible to sync 20 with 30? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Doors for ePMP Force 200?

I was told they're not available as a separate item. Would also be nice if we could order just the radio. Had a couple die back in the summer. On 1/5/2017 2:25 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: I want to get in line behind Josh for some of these . We are missing a few yesterday one of the techs had

Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes

I've bought this exact item from them, works just fine. Shipping can be a bit steep, but still cheaper than other options all-in. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > FS.com > > On Jan 5, 2017 7:57 AM, "Paul McCall" wrote: > >> Any

Re: [AFMUG] Doors for ePMP Force 200?

I want to get in line behind Josh for some of these . We are missing a few yesterday one of the techs had to seal the back of the unit with rubber tape. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 12:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

Calculation. This is how I have the data source set up the Dude: Uplink always says 100%, so I don't bother with uplink. Hopefully they fix that some day. -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Baird" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 1/5/2017 2:43:12 PM

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

It's mainly JS (client side) that makes the GUI so dreadful. But, I think it's improved greatly in 3.x. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: > I realy would not dare to do this with ePMP. Guess scrolling thru 120 > entries with the webinterface will kill the

Re: [AFMUG] Doors for ePMP Force 200?

heh, we told them to add the retention strap. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:05:44

Re: [AFMUG] Doors for ePMP Force 200?

I think it would almost be better if they didn't attach those doors at all. At least then you'd expect them to fall off and not try to let them hang... On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > These doors are held on with damn tissue paper or

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

That doesn't seem right to me... 450 does 256qam, without bothering to actually figure it out, it seems like that's gotta gain more than 6mb. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:50 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > its in the gui, so just hire some kid to log in every ten

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

I realy would not dare to do this with ePMP. Guess scrolling thru 120 entries with the webinterface will kill the AP ;-)). Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2017 20:27 An: af Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

its in the gui, so just hire some kid to log in every ten minutes and write it down :-) so the jist is, if its not a nasty rf environment, then really the 450 alone is no better than the epmp with only 6mb more capacity for 4x the cost, but if medusa field proves then it could be a better

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

Did they finally expose downlink utilization as a percentage over SNMP? Or.. are you doing some calculations? On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > mbps and DL airtime utilization for the same time period on an AP with 43 > SM's. > The base package is 6x2,

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

A mix of 3/6/10Mbps packages. Actually, I just looked again and we ended up splitting this sector into two separate sectors (now with 35 customers each). They are doing 45-60Mbps each during peak hours. I think the one with 55 was doing 65Mbps or so during peak, but I can't find the graphs at

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

<25 is our rule of thumb with a 11n-20MHz Channels. If you get 60Mbit Downlink out of this Channel you are able to feed 8 Netflix-Users. With 55 subs they most likely suffer these days as people have multiple smarttvs and expect to surf/download while watching tv. If customers get interupts

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

Yes... this isn't airmax we're talking about... I haven't heard of any problems related to the number of SM's with ePMP. You're obviously going to run out of capacity if you have too many, but I imagine if they were all low use connections it'd handle 120 just fine. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:15

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

What kind of rate packages do you sell with this kind of loading? What happens during netflix hour. From: Josh Baird Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 12:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison We have ePMP AP's with 55 subs that are doing just fine. Probably won't

Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes

Yes, I had reached out them. No rush on getting it here.. for once ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes Speak to the salespeople and they

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

RightIMO the number of subscribers the thing can efficiently handle is basically irrelevant because you'll run out of capacity before you hit that number. That's probably true with a lot of stuff these days. -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Baird" To:

Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes

Thanks for all the suggestions! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 1:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes If you want to have custom patch panels set up you can contact this company.

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

We have ePMP AP's with 55 subs that are doing just fine. Probably won't load any more on it due to high downlink utilization during peak usage. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Over 20-30 subs not recommended by whom? > > When I talked to Cambium about

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

Over 20-30 subs not recommended by whom? When I talked to Cambium about subscriber density, they said they've tested with up to 120, but suggested keeping it under 65. I do have an ePMP AP with 43 SM's at this point, no trouble that I'm aware of. It hits abou 60% air utilization at peak

[AFMUG] Doors for ePMP Force 200?

These doors are held on with damn tissue paper or something, does anyone have some spares we can take? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes

If you want to have custom patch panels set up you can contact this company. >From what I understand you can build any combination of connector types in the patch panel so you could mix and match connectors if that better suits your application and makes better use of the rack space. They are

Re: [AFMUG] MDUs

+1 Thats the we see it as well .. On 01/05/2017 11:00 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: My theory on this: I like having multiple options as a customer, so I tell them I prefer to be one of possibly many available ISPs. That's not good business to allow competition, but it helps to get in the

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

There's more than a 6mb difference when you consider 450m. Your 450 SM's are compatible with the 450m AP, so your investment in those SM's allows an upgrade path by replacing the AP with a 450m. That said, I have very little to complain about with the ePMP. Cheap, reliable, and good set of

Re: [AFMUG] MDUs

My theory on this: I like having multiple options as a customer, so I tell them I prefer to be one of possibly many available ISPs. That's not good business to allow competition, but it helps to get in the door with management and residents when approval is needed. I take one of two

Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes

Speak to the salespeople and they can sometimes arrange slower/cheaper shipping. On Jan 5, 2017 8:38 AM, "Paul McCall" wrote: > Thought of them. To get (4) of them shipped in with patch panels and > cable guides etc., is showing $ 250 in shipping cost. > > > > > > > > *From:*

[AFMUG] MDUs

For those of you doing MDUs, we've heard many ways to skin the cat. What are you doing? How is your compensation structured? What do they get for it? Who pays for what in the build? What size of developments do you target? What do you build out? etc. etc. -Mike HammettIntelligent

[AFMUG] epmp 3.1 range changing

is this a known issue? these are all changing by up to a half mile since we went to 3.1 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

"if im running 75/25, epmp is roughly 87mb capacity, 450 93mb capacity" is this correct? or have I looked at the wrong spec sheets? we run 450 3ghz, we like it, but still are burned on the 320 promises and lack of delivery and have less than zero trust in cambium sales people. As far as 5ghz

Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes

Thought of them. To get (4) of them shipped in with patch panels and cable guides etc., is showing $ 250 in shipping cost. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

With ePMP you are limited to (IIRC) 75/25 and 50/50 for the up/ down ratio. With 450 you can slice and dice the bandwidth anyway you want. Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On Jan 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Trey

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

Your biggest difference is your throughput per MHZ your epmp will do less bandwidth in a 20mhz channel than a 450. he other big difference is subscriber density. It is not recommended to go over 20-30 subs per AP on epmp without loss of performance. I regularly see 450 APs with 70+ subs per

Re: [AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes

FS.com On Jan 5, 2017 7:57 AM, "Paul McCall" wrote: > Any suggestions on a simple 1U termination housing that you guys really > like? I need to terminate 6 to 12 fibers (LC) at tower site shelters. > > > > Something in the family of this? (I just pulled a quick example from

[AFMUG] Cost Effective Rack Mount termination boxes

Any suggestions on a simple 1U termination housing that you guys really like? I need to terminate 6 to 12 fibers (LC) at tower site shelters. Something in the family of this? (I just pulled a quick example from Amazon - I haven't used this one)

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

Completely different products. The 450i series is faster and proprietary. (more carrier grade) We use both. I can say we are slowly migrating our ePMP gear out, just like we did UBNT. I see us having all 3.65 AP’s and 11Ghz BH’s someday with a little 5Ghz in the mix. With the exception of

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

The radios on these 2 are entirely different. One is using std based radio and the other completely proprietary. Since framing will be slightly different and so will processing delay. The stds based radio gets close to mimicking the 450 series but thats strictly based on Cambium magic.