[AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-02 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for something like the Trojan T31 or similar.

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2017-02-02 Thread Colin Stanners
TelecomSurplus recently mailed: C&D Technologies TEL Long Duration Series Batteries 100 Ah AGM with Front Access In Stock & Ready to Ship! On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid > PV. Wondering if anyone has

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2017-02-02 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Pretty suspicious of "surplus" batteries that have been sitting around self discharging for a long time. Sunelec.com is selling Outback 106RE batteries (12V 100Ah) at $185 ea. On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: > TelecomSurplus recently mailed: > C&D Technologies TEL Long D

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2017-02-02 Thread Colin Stanners
I'm careful of possibly aged-on-shelf batteries as well, but our purchasing from TelecomSurplus has been great so my first assumption would be that these are OK - best to contact them and ask. On Feb 2, 2017 6:40 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > Pretty suspicious of "surplus" batteries that have been

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2017-02-03 Thread Ken Hohhof
-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 7:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? I'm careful of possibly aged-on-shelf batteries as well, but our purchasing from TelecomSurplus has been great so my

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2017-02-04 Thread Harold Bledsoe
I can across an interesting tip / option - Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart batteries in PV applications. http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.ht

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2017-02-05 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping: http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf Outback, as far as I kno

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2017-02-05 Thread Keefe John
Exide has a 105 AH battery for $81 http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/batteries-battery-chargers/automotive-lead-acid-batteries/exide-regng-27-12-month-nautilus-marine-deep-cycle-battery/p-130136307-c-9100.htm?tid=-3310133469912273928 On February 5, 2017 4:55:55 PM CST, Eric Kuhnke wrot

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2017-02-05 Thread Chuck McCown
Wow, 22 cents per watt solar panels. Wow wow wow. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 3:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is selling the 106Ah version of these

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2017-02-06 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Beware of deep cycle marine batteries. These typically are not true deep cycle batteries. At 50% depth of discharge, you can expect around 300 cycles (or 1 year if doing it daily). A true deep cycle battery will do about 3x that number. On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:00 PM Keefe John wrote: > Exide ha

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2017-02-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Anything rated in CCA (cold cranking amps) is not suitable for cyclic solar/wind power applications. If the manufacturer hasn't clearly specified Ah capacity in a table at 5, 10, 20 hour rates it's not designed for repeated discharge. On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote: > Bewa

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2017-02-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
2017 at 8:02 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Wow, 22 cents per watt solar panels. Wow wow wow. > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Sunday, February 05, 2017 3:55 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? > > Found this, sunelec.co

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2017-02-06 Thread Chuck McCown
: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? I thought you knew about sunelec.com? Its owner is famously eccentric... 22 cents/watt for used or grade C panels. More realistically in pallet quantities, 35-38

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2017-02-06 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Agreed! I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly they will last 3-5x longer than regular deep cycle golf cart batteries. I'll let you guys know in 10-15 years. My motivation is that my home grid tied system saves too much power so the power company added a net mete

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2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I pay 8.50/month. Flat rate. So you are getting a demand charge added? From: Harold Bledsoe Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? Agreed! I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Suppo

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2017-02-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
Define “last”. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? Agreed! I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly

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2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Monday, February 06, 2017 5:37 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? > Agreed! > > I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly > they will last 3-5x longer than regular deep cycle golf cart batte

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2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe
-kept-secret-in-renewable-energy -Hal On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:14 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Define “last”. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe > *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 6:38 PM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* R

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2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I have 10 kW so it would be an extra $70... that sucks. Yeah, I would be buying batts and inverters too. From: Harold Bledsoe Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? When we first did it, we had to pay a $5/mo

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2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe
gt; Yeah, I would be buying batts and inverters too. > > *From:* Harold Bledsoe > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:24 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? > When we first did it, we had to pay a $5/mo "administrative" fe

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2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? Apologies to Eric for hijacking his thread... It does suck and the logic is flawed. Do they charge more for folks that switched to LED bulbs? No. Do they charge more for folks that have smaller houses, better insulation, or choose

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2017-02-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? Sure. Supposedly the plates are a good bit thicker than even high-end deep cycle batteries so they can be

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2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? Those are flooded batteries not AGM, right? Kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison. If they are in a somewhat temperature controlled environment, and not in

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2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe
y, February 7, 2017 10:27 AM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? > > > > Sure. Supposedly the plates are a good bit thicker than even high-end > deep cycle batteries so they can be cycled daily at the same DOD 3-5 ti

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2017-02-07 Thread Robert Andrews
e getting a demand charge added? *From:* Harold Bledsoe *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 5:37 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? Agreed! I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries.

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2017-02-07 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
only 1 of their >> customers. I believe their fear is that things like Tesla powerwall >> will take off and they won't be able to afford their current >> lifestyle. ;-) >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:32 AM Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>

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2017-02-07 Thread Robert
ld Bledsoe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:24 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? When we first did it, we had to pay a $5/mo "administrative"

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2017-02-07 Thread Bill Prince
wn mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote: I have 10 kW so it would be an extra $70... that sucks. Yeah, I would be buying batts and inverters too. *From:* Harold Bledsoe *Sent:* Tuesday,

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2017-02-07 Thread Adam Moffett
I know there are mechanical methodsgiant flywheels, water reservoirs. I don't know how practical it is at a large scale. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/7/2017 10:00:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery

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2017-02-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
e reddit but I do still need electricity for now. >> >> -Hal >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote: >> >&g

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2017-02-08 Thread Robert Andrews
, I would be buying batts and inverters too. *From:* Harold Bledsoe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:24 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> *Subject:* R

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2017-02-08 Thread Chuck McCown
PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? At least here in NV, it's only a 9/10ths offset and the offset is calculated month to month and settled at the end of the year. On 02/08/2017 12:00 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There are num

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2017-02-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 4:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? I get 100% credit for the energy I produce. I have an $8.50 minimum bill. But if I am a net producer, the account gets zeroed out each March. I will not lose much as my array is sized

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2017-02-08 Thread Robert Andrews
-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 4:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? I get 100% credit for the energy I produce. I have an $8.50 minimum bill. But if I am a net producer, the account gets zeroed out

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2017-02-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe
o. :-) I suppose I could > try to > summon the reddit but I do still need electricity for now. > > -Hal > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mai

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2017-02-09 Thread Lewis Bergman
es? No. > > If I had more free time I'd stand up for the principle but at the > moment, islanding will just have to do. :-) I suppose I could > try to > summon the reddit but I do still need electricity for now. > > -Hal > >