I have found that the more you start a sentence with “can you help me” the
better it is.
From: David Sovereen
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25
I agree that those are the items to focus on with OSHA.
Item 1:
"The employer di
I agree that those are the items to focus on with OSHA.
> Item 1:
> "The employer did not require a competent person to inspect."
Except that is incorrect. The person who fell WAS a competent person. He held
a “Competent Climber” certification card from CITCA. A significant portion of
th
In reading this citation there are two phrases which I think get to the
meat of what the person writing the citation intended:
Item 1:
"The employer did not *require* a competent person to inspect."
Item 2:
"...the employer did not *ensure* complete personal fall arrest systems
were properly u
Yeah, just like school "cooperate and graduate" never paid to correct the
error of the teacher.
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From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 4:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25
On 6/6/18 9:10 AM, David Sovereen wrote:
I spoke wit
I just looked it up on Wikipedia, right in the definition of "right"
there is a cross reference to OSHA
On 06/06/2018 03:58 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:10 AM, David Sovereen wrote:
I spoke with the OSHA representative handling our matter on Friday.
He tells me that Rohn 25s have
On 6/6/18 9:10 AM, David Sovereen wrote:
I spoke with the OSHA representative handling our matter on Friday. He
tells me that Rohn 25s have not been tested by the manufacturer to
support 5,000 lbs and therefore are not a suitable anchor point for
securing oneself. He says all work on Rohn 25s
n Jun 6, 2018, at 3:40 PM, wrote:
>
> +1000
>
> From: Lewis Bergman <>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 1:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25
>
> First, I would think Rohn would have a legitimate "3rd party" intere
+1000
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25
First, I would think Rohn would have a legitimate "3rd party" interest in your
citation. I would definitely see if they would like to be involved.
I think you can still b
shock arrest lanyard.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 12:45 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25
> I'm assuming he means you need to have a shorter lanyard than normal
> well, a position lanyard shouldn't be stretching anyway,
Oh, yeah, position lanyard, not the shock arrest lanyard.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 12:45 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25
I'm assuming he means you need to have a shorter lanyard than normal well,
a position lanyard shouldn't be stretching anyw
trite spirit” thing is key to getting the fine reduced.
Just lay on the floor and say “beat me master, I have sinned, please
show me a better way” type of thing.
*From:* David Sovereen
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Rohn 25
Hi All,
A little background: W
even if you had it positioned right in front of
> your face, you will still drop 6 feet, right?
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 12:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25
>
> I'm so sorry to hear about your loss.
>
>
Aren’t most lanyards designed to stretch out to the 6 foot mark when falling?
In other words, even if you had it positioned right in front of your face, you
will still drop 6 feet, right?
From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25
ave sinned, please show
> me a better way” type of thing.
>
> *From:* David Sovereen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rohn 25
>
> Hi All,
>
> A little background: We had an employee die late last year. He climbed a
&g
I'm so sorry to hear about your loss.
ROHN 25 is **not** compliant for the 5,000lb drop from 6' but it is from 3'
so you always have to have a 3' position lanyard holding you, even while
you climb.
I would contact CITCA (or we use https://www.safetyoneinc.com ) or any
other trainer to give you do
better way” type of thing.
From: David Sovereen
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 25
Hi All,
A little background: We had an employee die late last year. He climbed a Rohn
25 tower at a residential customer location and did not use his fall protection
The standard is 80%. You have to be careful that you don't exceed the
compression specs of the tower and those bolts that resist down force. As
you move guy anchors in you have to go up in guy size and tension. If you
buy the sections new Rohn will engineer it for you free. You need to fill
out the
imho, 120 foot of 25g may be cost effective today but full of regret down
the road, unless youre meticulous about inspecting and building to rohn
spec. theyre super easy to twist, very prone to the bolt holes wallowing
out, and if your drainage isnt right, they love to have blowouts. dont
skimp on
I've always done 80% of the height for the farthest distance of the guy
wires.
Regards,
Chuck
On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 9:55 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
> So you guys convinced me to build on the dirt, much easier. Now what is
> the smallest span of guys I can get away with? I want to do 12 sections of
>
So you guys convinced me to build on the dirt, much easier. Now what is the
smallest span of guys I can get away with? I want to do 12 sections of 25G
and I can guy it 3 or 4 times, I'm assuming 4 is better. I really want to
keep the guys in as close as possible to save the valuable farming space I
I would tell you that you are waisting money. 2 sections are going to cost
you a lot less and be a better long term solution than mounting a tower on
a building. You can use a house bracket near the top depending on your
building design and start your guy calculations from that point.
On Tue, Mar
If you intent to guy to the building and not to the ground, maybe 30or 40ft
above the peak. That is also significant additional loading on the
structure, be mindful of that. Can you just put it next to the building and
guy into the ground?
On Mar 20, 2018 10:22 PM, "TJ Trout" wrote:
> I'm buildi
At 100 ft . You usually need to be at three 120 degree points 80 ft. from
tower.
Jaime Solorza
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 8:31 PM Jaime Solorza
wrote:
> Do you mean 4 guyed wires to the tower or 4 sets of 3 guyed wires at 120
> degrees points?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 8:22 PM TJ
Do you mean 4 guyed wires to the tower or 4 sets of 3 guyed wires at 120
degrees points?
Jaime Solorza
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 8:22 PM TJ Trout wrote:
> I'm building a 40x40 or possibly 50x60 steel building. I would like to
> install a guyed 25g on the peak (about 20ft peak from ground level with
I'm building a 40x40 or possibly 50x60 steel building. I would like to
install a guyed 25g on the peak (about 20ft peak from ground level with
16ft walls)
If I guy off 4 times how high can I go?
Any way to do 100ft or ten sections ? I'm assuming my guy span isn't far
out enough.
I know what'
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