Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Eric Burton
Ronald: I didn't have to choose 'Display images' to see your attached picture again. What are you doing? It's fun, but scary. On 1/9/09, Ronald C. Blue ronb...@u2ai.us wrote: But how can it dequark the tachyon antimatter containment field? Richard Loosemore A model that can answer all

Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Mark Waser
But how can it dequark the tachyon antimatter containment field? Richard, You missed Mike Tintner's explanation . . . . You're not thinking your argument through. Look carefully at my spontaneous COW - DOG - TAIL - CURRENT CRISIS - LOCAL VS GLOBAL THINKING - WHAT A NICE DAY - MUST GET

Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Richard Loosemore
Ronald C. Blue wrote: [snip] [snip] ... chaos stimulation because ... correlational wavelet opponent processing machine ... globally entangled ... Paul rf trap ... parallel modulating string pulses ... a relative zero energy value or opponent process ... phase locked ... parallel opponent

Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Mike Tintner
IMatt, I mainly want to lay down a marker here for a future discussion. What you have done is what all AGI-ers/AI-ers do. Faced with the problem of domain-switching - (I pointed out that the human brain and human thought are * freely domain-switching*), - you have simply ignored it - and, I

Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Matt Mahoney
Mike, after a sequence of free associations, you drift from the original domain. How is that incompatible with the model I described? I use A, B, C, as variables to represent arbitrary thoughts. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.uk

Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Vladimir Nesov robot...@gmail.com wrote: I claim that K(P) K(Q) because any description of P must include a description of Q plus a description of what P does for at least one other input. Even if you somehow must represent P as concatenation of Q and something

Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Matt Mahoney matmaho...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, it is true that you can find |P| |Q| for some cases of P nontrivially simulating Q depending on the choice of language. However, it is not true on average. It is also not possible for P to nontrivially simulate

Re: [agi] Identity abstraction

2009-01-09 Thread Vladimir Nesov
You need to name those parameters in a sentence only because it's linear, in a graph they can correspond to unnamed nodes. Abstractions can have structure, and their applicability can depend on how their structure matches the current scene. If you retain in a scene graph only relations you

Re: [agi] Identity abstraction

2009-01-09 Thread Richard Loosemore
Harry Chesley wrote: I'm trying to get an idea of how our minds handle the tension between identity and abstraction, and it occurs to me that there have probably been human subject experiments that would shed light on this. Does anyone know of any? The basic issue: On the one hand, we

Re: [agi] Identity abstraction

2009-01-09 Thread Harry Chesley
On 1/9/2009 9:28 AM, Vladimir Nesov wrote: You need to name those parameters in a sentence only because it's linear, in a graph they can correspond to unnamed nodes. Abstractions can have structure, and their applicability can depend on how their structure matches the current scene. If you

Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Mike Tintner
Richard, You missed Mike Tintner's explanation . . . . Mark, Right So you think maybe what we've got here is a radical influx of globally entangled free-association bosons? Richard, Q.E.D. Well done. Now tell me how you connected my ridiculous [or however else you might

Re: [agi] Identity abstraction

2009-01-09 Thread Harry Chesley
On 1/9/2009 9:45 AM, Richard Loosemore wrote: There are certainly experiments that might address some of your concerns, but I am afraid you will have to acquire a general knowledge of what is known, first, to be able to make sense of what they might tell you. There is nothing that can be

RE: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Ronald C Blue
In outlook express change format to html and insert picture. Generally this safer than an attachment. -Original Message- From: Eric Burton brila...@gmail.com To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: 1/9/09 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway. Ronald: I didn't have to choose 'Display

Re: [agi] Identity abstraction

2009-01-09 Thread Richard Loosemore
Harry Chesley wrote: On 1/9/2009 9:45 AM, Richard Loosemore wrote: There are certainly experiments that might address some of your concerns, but I am afraid you will have to acquire a general knowledge of what is known, first, to be able to make sense of what they might tell you. There is

Re: [agi] Identity abstraction

2009-01-09 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Harry Chesley ches...@acm.org wrote: On 1/9/2009 9:28 AM, Vladimir Nesov wrote: You need to name those parameters in a sentence only because it's linear, in a graph they can correspond to unnamed nodes. Abstractions can have structure, and their

Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.

2009-01-09 Thread Ed Porter
Mike, What is the evidence, if any, that it would be difficult for a sophisticated Novamente-like AGI to switch domains? In fact, much of valuable AGI thinking would involve patterns and mental behaviors that extended across different domains. Human natural language understanding is believed

RE: [agi] Identity abstraction

2009-01-09 Thread Ed Porter
Harry, Obviously this is an issue any intelligent AGI has to deal with. However, at high level I don't think it is that mysterious, although, like most things in AGI, in detail it would have quite a few wrinkles, most of which a properly designed AGI should learn to deal with automatically.

Re: [agi] Identity abstraction

2009-01-09 Thread Ronald C. Blue
object perception Identity is the abstraction that you are focusing your attention on. Habituation is stimulus specific and does not reduce the responsiveness for stimuli you are currently ignoring. As such after habituation or eye movement new abstract interpretations to NAME an identity

[agi] What Must a World Be That a Humanlike Intelligence May Develop In It?

2009-01-09 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi all, I intend to submit the following paper to JAGI shortly, but I figured I'd run it past you folks on this list first, and incorporate any useful feedback into the draft I submit This is an attempt to articulate a virtual world infrastructure that will be adequate for the development of

Re: [agi] The Smushaby

2009-01-09 Thread Mike Tintner
Re: [agi] The Smushaby of Flatway.Hi Ed, (and Matt too) If you'll be patient with me, I'm going to work longer and truly formalise my reply here - distinguishing among other things between Rational Logic (as we know it) and a new Creative Logic, (which computers are currently, though not

Re: [agi] What Must a World Be That a Humanlike Intelligence May Develop In It?

2009-01-09 Thread Eric Burton
Goertzel this is an interesting line of investigation. What about in world sound perception? On 1/9/09, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: Hi all, I intend to submit the following paper to JAGI shortly, but I figured I'd run it past you folks on this list first, and incorporate any useful

Re: [agi] What Must a World Be That a Humanlike Intelligence May Develop In It?

2009-01-09 Thread Ben Goertzel
It's actually mentioned there, though not emphasized... there's a section on senses... ben g On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Eric Burton brila...@gmail.com wrote: Goertzel this is an interesting line of investigation. What about in world sound perception? On 1/9/09, Ben Goertzel

Re: [agi] Epineuronal programming

2009-01-09 Thread Abram Demski
Steve, It seems that you misunderstood several of the things that I said. Concerning grammar theory, I am only invoking the basics of the field, so the wikipedia article should be enough if you want to know what I meant by regular grammar and about them being only the first level of the

Re: [agi] What Must a World Be That a Humanlike Intelligence May Develop In It?

2009-01-09 Thread Ronald C. Blue
Not really related to your topic, but it sort of isMany years ago Disney made a movie about an alien cat that was telepathic and came to earth in a Flying saucer. A stupid movie because cats can not develop the technology to do this. Recently I realized that while cat can not do this a