On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Fool wrote:
> On 25/06/2013 8:07 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > The fact that it was known to exist, but secretive, generated a surprising
> > amount of paranoia in some non-member Agorans. There were a couple genuine
> > witch hunts looking for members, for a short time Agora w
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Fool wrote:
> Furthermore I fail to see how even the mathematician's (thought it was
> supposed to be logician's) version of the argument is sound. The reference to
> the "principle of indifference" instead makes it sound like some sort of
> Bayesian reasoning. But let me put
Also FOR. -Goethe
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Sean Hunt wrote:
> FOR
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Malcolm Ryan
> wrote:
> > Let's make this interesting.
> >
> > I propose that a rule be enacted reading:
> >
> > "If a player proposes a rule change which is not adopted at the end of its
> >
FOR
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Malcolm Ryan wrote:
> Let's make this interesting.
>
> I propose that a rule be enacted reading:
>
> "If a player proposes a rule change which is not adopted at the end of its
> voting period, that player must immediately forfeit the game."
>
> M
You youngsters got no guts. In my day we played fer KEEPS.
M
On 26/06/2013, at 1:37 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Malcolm Ryan
> wrote:
>> Let's make this interesting.
>>
>> I propose that a rule be enacted reading:
>>
>> "If a player proposes a rule change wh
I propose that a rule be enacted reading:
"Any player who proposes to amend, renumber or repeal rule 311 is deemed to
have forfeited the game."
I vote FOR this.
M
Naturally, I vote FOR this.
On 26/06/2013, at 1:33 PM, Malcolm Ryan wrote:
> Let's make this interesting.
>
> I propose that a rule be enacted reading:
>
> "If a player proposes a rule change which is not adopted at the end of its
> voting period, that player must immediately forfeit the game.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Malcolm Ryan wrote:
> Let's make this interesting.
>
> I propose that a rule be enacted reading:
>
> "If a player proposes a rule change which is not adopted at the end of its
> voting period, that player must immediately forfeit the game."
>
> M
Too interesting
Let's make this interesting.
I propose that a rule be enacted reading:
"If a player proposes a rule change which is not adopted at the end of its
voting period, that player must immediately forfeit the game."
M
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Fool wrote:
> Here I'll just number and repeat the two new proposals. Voting closes
> in 24 hours. Voting on 331-341 closes in about 11 hours.
>
> -Dan
>
> 342 (Chuck):
>>
>> I propose that rule 311 be amended by changing the text which reads “the
>> Voter with the
I vote FOR both of these.
M
On 26/06/2013, at 10:56 AM, Fool wrote:
> Here I'll just number and repeat the two new proposals. Voting closes
> in 24 hours. Voting on 331-341 closes in about 11 hours.
>
> -Dan
>
> 342 (Chuck):
>> I propose that rule 311 be amended by changing the text which read
I disagree. There is no such thing as a "proposal" only a "proposed rule
change". I put it that this is a shorthand way of making 38 proposed rule
changes.
Malcolm
On 23/06/2013, at 12:17 AM, Fool wrote:
> On 22/06/2013 9:45 AM, Elliott Hird wrote:
>> I propose that all rules be transmuted to
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Fool wrote:
>
> Voting on 326-329 has closed and voting on 330 closes in half an hour. Full
> report at that time. Here I just number and repeat 11 new proposals.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> 331 (omd):
>> I propose that Rule 214 be amended to read:
>>
>> The Speaker shall choos
I'm late to the party, but better late than never.
I register for Agora XX.
Malcolm
(aka Blob)
Agora XX seems to be a huge success. I do think that we should go
ahead and end it on the 30th as we planned, but I would like to bring
it back in the future. This proposal provides for the game to be
played each year from the start of June until the start of Agora's
birthday. Each subsequent year
Quite right Dan. While I applaud the spirit of omd's attempt to win by
paradox, we are very far from being in a position to say that we cannot
determine whether The UNDEAD is player. We haven't even tried to collect
any of the possibly relevant evidence yet!
On 26 June 2013 11:22, Fool wrote:
>
On 25/06/2013 8:07 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
The fact that it was known to exist, but secretive, generated a surprising
amount of paranoia in some non-member Agorans. There were a couple genuine
witch hunts looking for members, for a short time Agora was genuinely like
a game of werewolf.
You mea
On 25/06/2013 4:34 PM, omd wrote:
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:27 PM, The UNDEAD wrote:
I do not register. I propose repealing rule 327.
Well... even though there are supposed to be a few days left, I don't
want to delay this further lest someone else beat me to it :)
I invoke judgement on the
I vote FOR proposals 342 and 343.
Michael
On 26/06/13 10:56, Fool wrote:
> Here I'll just number and repeat the two new proposals. Voting closes
> in 24 hours. Voting on 331-341 closes in about 11 hours.
>
> -Dan
>
> 342 (Chuck):
>> I propose that rule 311 be amended by changing the text which
I always obliviously rolled my eyes at it all.
Michael, Founding Member of the Incognoscenti
On 26/06/13 10:07, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Alex Smith wrote:
>> On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 15:58 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote:
I have hea
Here I'll just number and repeat the two new proposals. Voting closes
in 24 hours. Voting on 331-341 closes in about 11 hours.
-Dan
342 (Chuck):
I propose that rule 311 be amended by changing the text which reads “the
Voter with the most points shall win. In case of a tie, all such Voters
shall
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 15:58 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote:
> > > I have heard of the UNDEAD a few times before, but may I ask what it is?
> >
> > You can certainly ask, but if the above action was at all successfu
On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 15:58 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote:
> > I have heard of the UNDEAD a few times before, but may I ask what it is?
>
> You can certainly ask, but if the above action was at all successful, I dare
> not say.
Well, given that I have no pa
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote:
> On 25 Jun 2013 22:18, "Kerim Aydin" wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, omd wrote:
> > > I submit that either I or my brother sent this message, but I won't
> > > reveal which one. My brother is not a Voter, so the move is legal iff
> > > I was the one w
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, omd wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:27 PM, The UNDEAD wrote:
> > I do not register. I propose repealing rule 327.
>
> Well... even though there are supposed to be a few days left, I don't
> want to delay this further lest someone else beat me to it :)
>
> I invoke judg
On 25 Jun 2013 22:18, "Kerim Aydin" wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, omd wrote:
> > I submit that either I or my brother sent this message, but I won't
> > reveal which one. My brother is not a Voter, so the move is legal iff
> > I was the one who sent it.
>
> I put 10 doubloons in the coffer to pos
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, omd wrote:
> I submit that either I or my brother sent this message, but I won't
> reveal which one. My brother is not a Voter, so the move is legal iff
> I was the one who sent it.
I put 10 doubloons in the coffer to post a Black Hand, specifying omd.
(I apologize for bei
On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 11:02 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> Had to go back and refresh my memory again!
>
> There was no official thing as concurrent, automatic trades. I'd
> say 99% was done on a handshake deal. I personally don't have any
> memory of anyone breaking a handshake deal on purpose, a
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:27 PM, The UNDEAD wrote:
> I do not register. I propose repealing rule 327.
Well... even though there are supposed to be a few days left, I don't
want to delay this further lest someone else beat me to it :)
I invoke judgement on the statement "The legality of The UNDE
I do not register. I propose repealing rule 327.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:16 PM, omd wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Fool wrote:
>> Just have any invalid code = PRESENT. The assessor knows directly whether
>> quorum is met, without decoding, or even having to cross-reference with
>> anything.
>
> Yeah, this would work - it would jus
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Fool wrote:
> Just have any invalid code = PRESENT. The assessor knows directly whether
> quorum is met, without decoding, or even having to cross-reference with
> anything.
Yeah, this would work - it would just be a bit weird for "invalid vote
= PRESENT" to only
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote:
> > On 24 Jun 2013, at 18:37, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > This sort of three-fold action/house concept (Proposals, Voting, and
> > > Justice) with separate currencies was carried over into Cards, but
> > > I think
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote:
> On 24 Jun 2013, at 18:37, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > This sort of three-fold action/house concept (Proposals, Voting, and
> > Justice) with separate currencies was carried over into Cards, but
> > I think over time, the paid systems have become more about
FOR. =)
~ Roujo
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Sean Hunt wrote:
> I propose the following rule:
>
> At 12:00 July 1 2013 UTC+1200, Agora XX ends and the player with the most
> points wins the game. In the event of a tie, the tied player who most
> recently had more points than each other tied
FSX is my name for Agora XX. Flameshadowxeroshin is too cumbersome for
most purposes, so I don't use it very much.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Steven Gardner
wrote:
> Either 'Flameshadowxeroshin' or 'FSX' will serve as a name, IMO.
>
> --
> Steve Gardner
> via mobile
>
> On 25 Jun 2013 22:04
On 24/06/2013 4:36 PM, Sean Hunt wrote:
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM, omd wrote:
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Sean Hunt wrote:
Amend Rule 2409 (Star Chamber) inserting "- publish the list of codes
(but not the corresponding options)" as the second item in the
bulleted list.
[Allows the
On 25/06/2013 8:15 AM, Steven Gardner wrote:
Either 'Flameshadowxeroshin' or 'FSX' will serve as a name, IMO.
Ah. Well in that case...
Speaker:
Fool (Daniel Méhkeri )
Voters in order of registration:
June 18:
1. omd ()
2. FSX ()
3. Walker (Charles Walker )
4. Chuck (Chuck Carroll )
Good day Agorans,
Since last report, voting closed on proposals 326-330 closed.
Proposal 326 (Chuck) passed 5:0 with Walker, Michael, Chuck, omd, and
Steve voting FOR. This amends 311, formerly 112, removing "there is no
other way to win". Chuck gets 10 points by rule 302.
Proposal 327 (Wa
I propose that Rule 311, or a rule formerly having had the number 311 (if
there is exactly one such rule) be amended by changing the text defining the
time of the end of the game (such as, but not limited to, "On June 30th,
2013, at 00:04:30 GMT +1200, the game shall end") to "The game shall end
im
Either 'Flameshadowxeroshin' or 'FSX' will serve as a name, IMO.
--
Steve Gardner
via mobile
On 25 Jun 2013 22:04, "Fool" wrote:
> Hi FSX,
> Well, since you're voting for, would it be fair to ask for your name?
>
> -Dan
>
> On 25/06/2013 1:24 AM, Flameshadowxeroshin wrote:
>
>> I vote for this
On 25 Jun 2013 21:52, "Fool" wrote:
> 331 (omd):
> > I propose that Rule 214 be amended to read:
> >
> > The Speaker shall choose Judges randomly from the set of qualified
> > players. The players qualified to judge a statement are the Speaker
> > and those Voters who voted on the rule change wh
Hi FSX,
Well, since you're voting for, would it be fair to ask for your name?
-Dan
On 25/06/2013 1:24 AM, Flameshadowxeroshin wrote:
I vote for this proposal.
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Steven Gardner
wrote:
I vote for this Proposal.
On 25 June 2013 00:10, Steven Gardner wrote:
I propose that rule 311 be amended by changing the text which reads "the
Voter with the most points shall win. In case of a tie, all such Voters
shall win simultaneously." to "all Voters having a score greater than the
median score among Voters shall win."
Chuck
Yeah, same idea. It's not valid to propose to amend something that isn't
a mutable rule. (Even if it might become mutable by enactment or
transmutation by the time the proposal is adopted).
-Dan
On 25/06/2013 7:36 AM, Chuck Carroll wrote:
By the same logic by which one cannot propose to amend
Voting on 326-329 has closed and voting on 330 closes in half an hour.
Full report at that time. Here I just number and repeat 11 new proposals.
-Dan
331 (omd):
> I propose that Rule 214 be amended to read:
>
> The Speaker shall choose Judges randomly from the set of qualified
> players. Th
By the same logic by which one cannot propose to amend a currently immutable
rule, even if there is a pending proposal to transmute it, I do not believe one
can propose to amend a rule which does not yet exist.
Chuck
-Original Message-
From: agora-discussion [mailto:agora-discussion-bou
I'm well, thanks. I still subscribe to the Agora mailing lists. Depending on
available time and list activity, sometimes I skim the subject lines, more
often I don't even do that. But I happened to be looking at them at the
right time and got in near the beginning of Agora XX, before the email to
a
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM, omd wrote:
> scshunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.edu 3 Jun 13
CoE: Per recent judgement about ratification, scshunt is an elder by
legal fiction. This does not self-ratify, so no further mess has
occurred.
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