RE: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Granular Paydays

2017-05-01 Thread nichdel
I'll add that in the morning when I also correct some typos (already turned off the computer). Original message From: Owen Jacobson Date: 5/2/17 00:08 (GMT-06:00) To: Agora Nomic - Discussion Subject: DIS: Re: BUS:

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Granular Paydays

2017-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 2 May 2017, Nic Evans wrote: > Immediately afterward, for each report published last month (in > chronological order of publication), Agora SHALL pay the > publisher of the report the Report Rate for the office the report > is associated with unless paying the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Granular Paydays

2017-05-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On May 2, 2017, at 1:01 AM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I submit the following proposal. > > Title: Granular Paydays > Adoption Index: 1 > Author: nichdel > Co-author(s): Aris > > Flip the Payrate of every office to 2. > > Amend rule 2484 (Payday) to read, in full: > >

DIS: [Draft] Pend Tickets (revision 2)

2017-05-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
Given the shape of the scam ais523 claims to be perpetrating, submitting this just now might be premature. Therefore, for consideration: Proposal: Pend Tickets (revision 2) Adoption index: 3 Authors: o Co-authors: G., Aris Enact a new rule, "Pend Tickets", with power 1, with the text: A

Re: DIS: Offices and Gigs

2017-05-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
I, too, am opposed to any sort of pay cut for the Rulekeepor. -o > On May 1, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Quazie wrote: > > I am opposed to killing the rulekeepor - that role requires a bit of > infrastructure and seems like it deserves to be an office. I defer to G. > though in

DIS: Re: [Expedition] BUS: We haven't had a good scam for a while

2017-05-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
I’m going to rearrange ais523’s words, a little: On May 1, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > The conclusions I draw from this are that I can't let anyone know how > the scam works until the relevant parts of the ruleset were fixed. I > was originally planning to do

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: To-Do List

2017-05-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
Not a claim of error, yet, since I _think_ it’s inconsequential, but my weekly report presumed you had paid those 4 Shinies on the date of your message to the wrong forum because I missed that it was to -discussion. Does anyone feel strongly that this is worth correcting? Effective the

DIS: Re: BUS: Well this is getting interesting

2017-05-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
On May 1, 2017, at 9:15 PM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > If I'm not a player, I register. > > ~ Roujo Welcome back! You should designate someone to receive your Shinies - possibly yourself, I think? - before I get around to distributing them for you. It doesn’t

DIS: Re: BUS: Well this is getting interesting

2017-05-01 Thread Owen Jacobson
On May 1, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > [A GPG-signed message] Where can I find your public key? -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: Offices and Gigs

2017-05-01 Thread Nic Evans
There's probably no harm in doing all since shinies aren't super-important right now and most people have a surplus anyway, but it is worth discussing. The way I see it there's two main possibilities: -Apply a solid payrate to every office and then a separate payment for each report. Best for

Re: DIS: Offices and Gigs

2017-05-01 Thread Aris Merchant
On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > A potential compromise: Lower the payrate for all offices and add a separate > payment for reports published, paid to the player who published it. An > unproductive officeholder would get some but not much, a productive one >

Re: DIS: Offices and Gigs

2017-05-01 Thread Nic Evans
On 05/01/17 19:24, Aris Merchant wrote: > I disagree. The point of offices is that in least in theory they > provide consistency. The fact that they haven't been doing that lately > means that we may need to change the incentive system, for instance by > penalizing tardy officers, or **by

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: To-Do List

2017-05-01 Thread Aris Merchant
I still officially consider this proposal not to exist, its submission having been overly ambiguous. -Aris On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 1:47 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > TTttPF > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > > On Fri, Apr 28,

Re: DIS: Re: [Expedition] Re: BUS: We haven't had a good scam for a while

2017-05-01 Thread Aris Merchant
It doesn't, but you can't force through a proposal that hasn't been distributed. Also, why does everyone seem to have such a low opinion of my civic mindedness? I don't even want to be a dictator at the moment. -Aris On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 5:53 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <

DIS: Re: [Expedition] Re: BUS: We haven't had a good scam for a while

2017-05-01 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Could you explain why this closes the loophole because I see no way in which this affects one's ability to force a proposal through? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:38 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-05-01 at 00:37 +0100, Alex Smith

Re: DIS: Offices and Gigs

2017-05-01 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I concur with both Quazie and Aris. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I disagree. The point of offices is that in least in theory they provide > consistency. The fact that they haven't been doing that

Re: DIS: Offices and Gigs

2017-05-01 Thread Aris Merchant
I disagree. The point of offices is that in least in theory they provide consistency. The fact that they haven't been doing that lately means that we may need to change the incentive system, for instance by penalizing tardy officers, or by creating a direct reward for deputization. It doesn't mean

Re: DIS: Offices and Gigs

2017-05-01 Thread Quazie
I am opposed to killing the rulekeepor - that role requires a bit of infrastructure and seems like it deserves to be an office. I defer to G. though in case I'm incorrect on my assumption. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 17:08 Nic Evans wrote: > I'm considering a more expansive take on

DIS: Offices and Gigs

2017-05-01 Thread Nic Evans
I'm considering a more expansive take on Gigs, where several report-based offices would be turned entirely into Gigs. Here's my specific thoughts, which I wanted to share for feedback before working on the proposal: -Create Weekly and Monthly Gigs which get paid somewhere around 2-5 shinies.

Re: DIS: go for the gig

2017-05-01 Thread Nicholas Evans
I'm really interested in this idea, so I'm willing to pick it up. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > If anyone wants to go ahead with the next version of the Gig Economy draft, > go for it. I'm not following current economic proposals enough to

DIS: go for the gig

2017-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
If anyone wants to go ahead with the next version of the Gig Economy draft, go for it. I'm not following current economic proposals enough to make sure the mechanics behind it are in sync with the evolving new system.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Agoran Education Rethink

2017-05-01 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I will investigate that change before pending the proposal. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Mon, 1 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> Persons wanting a degree MUST request >> a mentor

DIS: Re: BUS: Pending List Price

2017-05-01 Thread Aris Merchant
I appreciate it, but I did place the updated values in my report. -Aris On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Nicholas Evans wrote: > The rules don't specify that anyone needs to announce (until the Promotor's > next report, at least). They probably should. > > The new Pending

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday

2017-05-01 Thread Nicholas Evans
For the monthly stipend that applies to players, it's all or nothing. If there's any money in Agora's balance, everyone gets paid; if there isn't any, nobody gets paid. Offices, on the other hand, are calculated individually and can't get paid when there is or would be a non-positive balance.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday

2017-05-01 Thread Quazie
I thought we agreed last time that you can't pay in such a way that agora's balance becomes negative? On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:02 AM Owen Jacobson wrote: > Date of this payday: Mon 1 May, 2017 > Date of last payday: Sat 1 Apr, 2017 > > > As Secretary, it is my pleasure to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7844-7847

2017-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 May 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > ENDORSE ais523, if e votes; otherwise, PRESENT. Just for the record/for new players, PRESENT is already the default of conditional votes/endorsement if the conditional can't be resolved (e.g. if the endorsed player doesn't vote).

DIS: Re: BUS: Dean-Continous of Agora

2017-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 May 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Apr 30, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > I hereby request TWO consent to deputize for the Herald and award > > Murphy the patent title, Dean-Continous of Agora, for being the >

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Agoran Education Rethink

2017-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Persons wanting a degree MUST request > a mentor from the Herald before having made substantial progress on > eir thesis. I really don't like the way this reads as a punishable requirement. I have a half-finished thesis. Were this

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday

2017-05-01 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
You can always reregister. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > Ah darn, just as I was catching up on things. >_> > > I'm surprised it hadn't happened earlier honestly. Oh well. > > ~ Roujo > > On Mon, May

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Agoran Education Rethink

2017-05-01 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Thank you. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > "The mentor" instead of "The menter", presumably. > > ~ Roujo > > > On Mon, May 1, 2017, 18:45 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday

2017-05-01 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
Ah darn, just as I was catching up on things. >_> I'm surprised it hadn't happened earlier honestly. Oh well. ~ Roujo On Mon, May 1, 2017, 18:51 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > As per my previously stated intent, I hereby act as Registrar to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Agoran Education Rethink

2017-05-01 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
"The mentor" instead of "The menter", presumably. ~ Roujo On Mon, May 1, 2017, 18:45 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > What should that say? > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > > On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:22 AM, Owen Jacobson

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Agoran Education Rethink

2017-05-01 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
What should that say? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:22 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> The menter SHOULD > > In addition to the adoption index issue already raised, you’ve got a typo > here. > > Otherwise, this looks good! > > -o >

Re: DIS: Judicial advice

2017-05-01 Thread Aris Merchant
Oh, sorry about this. I said I'd finish my opinion this weekend, didn't I? I'll try to get it out fairly soon, although I'm not sure exactly when I have time... Would it violate tradition to informally announce my decision before I had my argument's ready? -Aris On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 11:12 PM,