Re: DIS: Test

On Wed, 2020-11-11 at 18:41 +, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > I intend, without objection, to figure out if the lists are quiet or > down. I support. -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [@ministor] lordy look at the time

On Sat, 2020-10-31 at 21:57 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 10/31/20 9:52 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > Take 2, now with extra pointless retroactivity > > > > I issue the following rulebending form: > > -- > > The following document, dated 01-Nov-2020 01:38:25

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Matters of Honor

On Sun, 2020-10-04 at 18:25 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > On 10/4/20 5:56 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > On 10/4/20 6:35 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora- > > official wrote: > > > > CoE: not all values of the Karma switch have their

Re: DIS: lists were briefly down

On Tue, 2020-08-25 at 20:22 -0400, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 8/25/2020 8:12 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > > The lists were down for about four hours total. > > aw man, i had a brilliant, genius, unstoppable scam that i did during > that time and only could have done during th

Re: DIS: Question About Agoran Birthdays

On Wed, 2020-08-19 at 10:08 -0700, Nathan LastName via agora-discussion wrote: > Hello! I had a question about Agoran Birthdays. Today is the date on which > I joined Agora. After one year of playing Agora, one celebrates their 1st > Agoran Birthday. Considering that today is an occurance of the da

DIS: Re: BAK: Apathy Intent

On Sun, 2020-08-16 at 13:48 -0400, Jason Cobb wrote: > I object. For a moment, I was surprised at this, thinking that someone had managed to slip an apathy intent in via some mechanism I wouldn't receive it. But no, this isn't a reply to an email, it's just an email with "Re:" added manually at t

Re: DIS: [Tailor] Rethinking Glitter Prices

On Sat, 2020-08-15 at 18:20 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > As Tailor, I see and think about everyone's glitter use. Observing > it, > some glitters seem to be frequently awarded and often to the same > people. For Blue Glitter in particular, it's basically a se

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Agoran Directory

On Mon, 2020-08-10 at 00:14 +, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > Wait, I didn't look very closely at the archive link I posted. It > looks like it has the inverse problem. > > My email client: the names line up. > > Gaelan's: zombie names are further to the right. > > archive page: non

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Sillyness

On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 08:44 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/24/2020 8:05 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 7/24/2020 2:40 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: > > > So there's precedent that you can basically take a shortcut to do many > > > actions (a loop of them) as long as it i

Re: DIS: Coming clean

On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 19:30 -0700, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > [posting links here for the benefit of non-discord folk] > > Here are some messages "from" to various Agorans: > https://gist.github.com/Gaelan/e6f799142f98fa64f43344257b6b0ad5 > I have no idea how much the From header

Re: DIS: Re: Subject: BUS: [Proposal] Minion Plan

On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 13:25 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > what author? only players can create proposals. (going by the > "Registrar's assumption" on greg's personhood unless a cfj finds > otherwise). Now I'm wondering if it's possible for a non-person to ever take an action b

Re: DIS: Re: Subject: BUS: [Proposal] Minion Plan

On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 13:13 -0700, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:11 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 16:03 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business > > wrote: >

DIS: Re: Subject: BUS: [Proposal] Minion Plan

On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 16:03 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 7/21/20 3:56 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: > > I submit the following proposal. > > > > - > > > > Title: Minion Plan > > Author: Thomas >

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 23:06 +0100, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > It isn't me either. (If it were, the message would have caused me to > register, so this message would be Faking.) Registering anonymously > is the sort of thing I might do, but trying to cause confusion with > an existing player

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 15:55 -0600, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > On 2020-07-20 15:46, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: > > I hereby register as a player. > > > > I hereby change my name to G. > > > > Sending this to a-b so that No Faking applies. > > I did not send this m

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 14:46 -0700, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: > I hereby register as a player. > > I hereby change my name to G. > > -- > Trigon We used to have a rule specifically against doing this sort of thing, but it got repealed. CFJ 1703, which probably predated the rule

DIS: Re: BUS: [@ADoP] Name and Address Change

On Sat, 2020-07-18 at 19:08 +, nix via agora-business wrote: > As mentioned before (and I will once again confirm it in a reply to this > email) I'm switching to this email. I'd also like to use the name "nix" > instead of "nch". I can't remember if the rules allow multiple emails; > if they

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer something something INFINITY ENGINE [Attn. Notary, Treasuror]

On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 23:54 +0200, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > Seeing how many active players were against this and this needs a > high amount of people to work... For what it's worth, I think it's likely best to fix this rather than leave the "loophole" open, and the best fix is proba

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 21:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Here are the votes withdrawals, 2 seconds before the voting period > ended: Did I really cut it that close? My usual aim for "before the thing happens" timing scams is at least 2 minutes, to allow for potential email dela

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 13:32 -0700, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > That presumes that I think bribery proposals are legitimate. I don't, > but if the rules explicitly make it so there's no legitimate way to > do something one is clearly intended to do, I suppose that makes it > legitima

DIS: Test

No doubt this message will spur a flurry of suspicion and precautionary objections, but after being stuck with a temporary email client for a month, my main email client has started working for receiving Agoran email again. I'm therefore hoping that it will also be currently capable of sending, in

DIS: Backup list link on agoranomic.org is wrong

agoranomic.org currently links to < http://www.listserver.tue.nl/mailman/listinfo/agora> in order to specify where the backup list is. This is the incorrect URL (it produces a certificate warning). The correct URL is (i.e. with no www. prefix). Th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3828 Assigned to G.

On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 15:12 -0400, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > 3. Therefore, if a rule says "a player earns a coin" but does not say who, > then Rule 217 calls on us to apply its four factors to answer the question > of who earns the coin. For what it's worth, I accept the argument

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I won the game btw

On Tue, 2020-05-05 at 19:03 -0600, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/5/20 6:45 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > Rule 2553: “If a CFJ about the legality or possibility of a game > > action” > > > > CFJ 3828: “A recent rule named "A co

DIS: Re: BUS: I won the game btw

On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 10:42 +1000, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > G's judgement of PARADOXICAL on a CFJ I called has been in place for > ten days, accordingly make me speaker/champ thanks Rule 2553: “If a CFJ about the legality or possibility of a game action” CFJ 3828: “A recent rule named

Re: DIS: Research Request: Economics

On Mon, 2020-05-04 at 10:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > 2007Nothing I think (big rules reset year). > > 2008Notes, Pitch, Conductor. A fun and complex arrangement > about earning notes on a scale and playing chords to perform actions. The economy immediately

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] They sought it with thimbles...

On Sun, 2020-05-03 at 11:38 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal, "with smiles and soap", AI 1: > -- > > Create a power-1 Rule, "The Snark": > > When this rule is enacted, a proposal is

DIS: Re: BUS: Additional Official Patent Titles

On Sun, 2020-05-03 at 11:12 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > On 4/26/2020 12:04 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > > - Left in a Huff, awardable by the Registrar to any player > > deregistered by > > a Writ of FAGE, where the Cantus Cygneus that gave rise to the Writ > > was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500 (Weekly Report)

On Sat, 2020-04-25 at 22:30 -0400, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 16:55, ais523 via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > Experience from BlogNomic is that many players apparently value > > causing a win to h

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500 (Weekly Report)

On Sat, 2020-04-25 at 14:53 -0600, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > The following is a Notice of Honour: > > +1 PSS for reporting for Treasuror. > -1 twg for leaving without resigning (I guess). > > By the way, I found the Kingmaking thread which pushed me over 1000 > coins. Thanks, I g

Re: DIS: Code licenses

On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 22:01 -0700, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > Also, on the topic of real-world law: I've long wondered if it's > worth the trouble to add a disclaimer to the ruleset to clarify that > it isn't enforceable as a real-world contract. Does that seem worth > doing? In m

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Prime Minister] Awards Month

On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 22:11 -0700, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Apr 3, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official < > > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > At agora-official, this fourth day of April in the Year of our > > Gregorian Calendar two thousand and t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pointing Fingers

On Thu, 2020-04-09 at 08:07 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > For each such person who is not currently a player, I believe that > this has failed as they are not "a person (the perp) who plays the > game". It probably succeeded with regards to me. The rule was, II

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Thesis Submission Peer Review

On Mon, 2020-03-16 at 19:48 -0400, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > Respectfully, although Aris's thesis is interesting and well-written, > it doesn't seem to show a great amount of analysis or research > effort. > I think that to be eligible for a degree, a thesis should show more > anal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Clean r2493 (Regulations)

On Fri, 2020-03-13 at 09:29 +0100, sukil via agora-discussion wrote: > Also, a bit related: what's the difference between "clearly" and > "conspicuously"? My intuitions don't work in the latter, and after > searching it they sound quite like the same thing. Is there > a source I'm missing? Somethi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8342-8348

On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 11:22 +0100, sukil via agora-discussion wrote: > El 26/02/2020 a las 15:12, Kerim Aydin via agora-business escribió: > > I vote as follows, and act on behalf of o to vote as follows: > > > You bet I'm not thrilled to contest G on this, but I'm rather > confused. > I'm readi

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

On Thu, 2020-02-20 at 22:20 -0500, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > I would say that each consented to being bound by the rules of Agora > when they became a player (assuming nobody became a player under > coercion, or anything like that, which seems really unlikely) https://faculty.washin

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

On Thu, 2020-02-20 at 18:48 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Also fun: the first clause of the 2018 proposal (8054) was: "Destroy > all contracts". It's clearly impossible for a proposal like this to accidentally destroy the ruleset, or other comparable important parts of Agora. (

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons

On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 15:24 -0500, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > Title: De-secure Black Ribbons > > Author: Jason > > Co-authors: > > AI: 3.0 > > > { > > Amend Rule 2438 (Ribbons) by replacing the text "This rule does not > specify any methods of

Re: DIS: Proto-contract: the Dragon Corporation (the new TTC Corporation)

On Sat, 2020-02-15 at 16:54 -0500, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > All other provisions of this contract notwithstanding, this contract > does not permit any entity to act on behalf of any other entity. This > contract cannot be amended to remove this paragraph or to add any > provision

Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list

On Fri, 2020-02-14 at 18:02 +0100, sukil via agora-discussion wrote: > Hi, > > For some reason, any agora-* conversation (tested with my register > message, a random one coming from agora-official and another one coming > from this list) includes a reply-to header which points to this list, > a

Re: DIS: Numbers and dependent actions

On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 12:40 +0100, sukil via agora-discussion wrote: > Hi, > > I was reading the rules before registering and came across something > I didn't understand, I hope you guys can clarify this for me (I was > going to propose some change for the first part, but then I might be > the onl

Re: DIS: Re: Checking In

On Tue, 2020-02-11 at 17:50 -0500, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > Let's hope the third attempt works. I received this. I didn't receive your other messages. Agora has a long tradition of watchers, anyway. (I guess I'm one of them, too, at the moment.) -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Attn Promotor] Four proposals

On Mon, 2020-02-10 at 01:16 +, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 20:37, Edward Murphy via agora-business > wrote: > > Proposal: Meaningless extra coins > > (AI = 2, co-author = Alexis) > > > > Amend Rule 2483 (Economics) by appending this text: > > > >Upo

Re: [attn: promotor] Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PSA: Online ruleset viewer

On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 14:59 -0800, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > I mean, didn’t we just do that, without any explicit rule at all? All > we need is an informal policy that we go with the officer’s > interpretation unless a CfJ decides otherwise. > > Alternatively, here’s a lightweigh

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

On Sat, 2020-02-01 at 16:17 +, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", > in the sense that I think it also fixes the problem of ratification > failing due to minimal gamestate changes being ambiguous. It is a > more radical c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

On Wed, 2020-01-29 at 17:25 +, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora- discussion wrote: > Aris wrote: > > For the record, I strongly disagree. I think Spivak is part of Agoran > > culture at this point, like the “or” suffixes at the end of offices. It’s > > part of what makes Agora different and unique.

DIS: Re: BUS: Warranty

On Mon, 2020-01-20 at 01:42 +, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > I trusted (and still trust) em not to unnecessarily wreak havoc on > Agora if and when e is successful at perpetrating one. I'm intrigued at the suggestion that there may be times when wreaking havoc on Agora is nece

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 19:07 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > You're half right. Regulated actions have been around forever, but > after I ruled in my manifestly terrible opinion (TBH, a frustratingly > large portion of my opinions have been manifestly terrible) in CFJ > 3557 that

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Now here we are a third time. Whatever we can say about CFJ 3694, > the judgement is suitably unintuitive such that almost no one reading > the rules without this precedent/context thinks that zombie auctions > actually w

Re: DIS: [Draft] Administrative Adjudication v2

On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 18:40 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > I made several changes, including clarifying that the judiciary has > judicial review over memoranda. I also decided to go in the direction > of making memoranda purely interpretative, because I have other plans > for ga

Re: DIS: [Draft] Contract Patency v2

On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 14:31 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > I think this addresses everyone's concerns. Comments are welcome. [snip] > Amend Rule 2519, "Consent", to read in full: > A person is deemed to have consented to an action if and only if: > > 1. e, acting as emself,

Re: DIS: Proto: Fool Season

On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 21:31 -0800, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > Title: Fool Season [snip] > If so, which of the implementations would work best? I'm worried about the reset button not working correctly due to damage caused while people are having fun. (It probably doesn't even work

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: rant

On Wed, 2020-01-01 at 11:15 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Unfortunately, ratifying that they were delivered would seem to be at least > as complicated as undoing them. Per Orjan (sorry, having trouble getting > the O on mobile), it might require a separate document for each mes

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8277-8279

On Sat, 2019-12-28 at 18:48 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > So, just to be clear here, we’re going to ratify the claim that a-o > and a-b stopped being public fora at the start time and resumed being > public fora at the end time? I’m good with that. Ørjan's issue is that e beli

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8277-8279

On Sun, 2019-12-29 at 03:32 +0100, Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: > Rule 1551 states: > >the gamestate is modified > to what it would be if, at the time the ratified document was > published, the gamestate had been minimal

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8277-8279

On Sat, 2019-12-28 at 17:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > (If Rance is a deciding vote on either of these, it may create a > paradox, since one of the messages in question takes Rance away from > me. I can't resist, really). Wouldn't the paradox just cause the ratification to fail

Re: DIS: Research Question

On Sat, 2019-12-28 at 14:11 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > I seem to recall hearing once about an incident where a person > attempted to register as a player twice concurrently under different > names. Does anyone know where that precedent can be found? It's > relevant to a thes

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