Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A protective proposal

2012-01-09 Thread FSX
Though I don't see any evidence of that, it stands that I don't have the power to make a 3.9... power rule. I'd need at least 3. On Jan 9, 24 Heisei, at 2:01 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 9 January 2012 17:02, FSX wrote: >> Proposal: No deben bailar >> >> Create a new rule titled "Dance Pro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A better, more interesting unconventional entrance.

2012-01-09 Thread Stupid Mail
This person did not indicate that they wanted to register *when they sent the message*, so e did not register then. However, as there is no accommodation for delaying registration, e did not register at all. Thus, e will need to submit a registration when they actually want to register. On Jan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A better, more interesting unconventional entrance.

2012-01-08 Thread Pavitra
On 01/08/2012 11:51 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 00:49, Pavitra wrote: > >> On 01/08/2012 11:30 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 00:28, Craig Daniel wrote: >>> I intend to become a player in four weeks' time. - teucer >>> Too bad. Welcome

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A better, more interesting unconventional entrance.

2012-01-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 00:49, Pavitra wrote: > On 01/08/2012 11:30 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 00:28, Craig Daniel wrote: > > > >> I intend to become a player in four weeks' time. > >> > >> - teucer > >> > >> > > Too bad. Welcome to Agora. > > Nope. > > A first-class pe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A better, more interesting unconventional entrance.

2012-01-08 Thread Pavitra
On 01/08/2012 11:30 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 00:28, Craig Daniel wrote: > >> I intend to become a player in four weeks' time. >> >> - teucer >> >> > Too bad. Welcome to Agora. Nope. A first-class person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A meta-CFJ

2012-01-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012, Craig Daniel wrote: > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > The "might reasonably" makes this so squishy as to be trivially true; > > all we have to show is that there is at least one cfj that might be > > interpreted this way, and I think we've got at le

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A meta-CFJ

2012-01-08 Thread Craig Daniel
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > The "might reasonably" makes this so squishy as to be trivially true; > all we have to show is that there is at least one cfj that might be > interpreted this way, and I think we've got at least one in the > database.  -G. > So it does. It's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A controversial proposal

2011-12-10 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: I CFJ on: {{Wooble is a player.}} Arguments: Wooble unambiguously failed to deregister conditionally, and failed to unambiguously deregister by announcement.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A controversial proposal

2011-12-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:30 PM, omd wrote: On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Mister Snuggles wrote: i support this proposal wholeheartedly. If I am Mister Snuggles, I intend, with Agoran Consent, to deregister. I support and do so. Definitely ineffective; it hasn't been 4 d

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A controversial proposal

2011-12-09 Thread Pavitra
On 12/09/2011 01:29 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:30 PM, omd wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Mister Snuggles wrote: >>> i support this proposal wholeheartedly. >> >> If I am Mister Snuggles, I intend, with Agoran Consent, to deregister. > > I support and do so.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A commitment

2011-09-29 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 15:34 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 28 September 2011 22:10, Sean Hunt wrote: > > Conditions: ais523 has performed the services as agreed upon in the > > discussion forum > > I object. I don't think that discussion forum is even logged; this is > unreasonable. Should make

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A modest proposal

2011-07-07 Thread Elliott Hird
On 7 July 2011 23:50, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > It was pointed out to me that Rule 0 says that events with absolute > deadlines don't occur at all, and "the third midnight UTC" is an > absolute deadline. Is it? It's relative to the start of the emergency.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A modest proposal

2011-07-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 7 July 2011 06:16, Sean Hunt wrote: >>      WHEREAS B Nomic was in fact recently discovered to have been >>      locked in perpetual Emergency since 2002, such that its game can >>      never advance; and > > Have you got any pointers? Thre

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A modest proposal

2011-07-07 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-07-07 07:21 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: WHEREAS B Nomic, a well-played Nomic, did claim to pass a proposal directing a player to end the game, Your definition of "well-played" may be off a bit; that was a particularly bad piece

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A modest proposal

2011-07-07 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 10:21 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > > WHEREAS B Nomic, a well-played Nomic, did claim to pass a > > proposal directing a player to end the game, > > Your definition of "well-played" may be off a bit; that was a >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A modest proposal

2011-07-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Sean Hunt wrote: >> Award B Nomic the Patent Title "Imaginationland" > > Official pedantry:  Not a person. Proto: first create a rule making B Nomic a third-class person.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A modest proposal

2011-07-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Sean Hunt wrote: > On 11-07-06 10:23 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Jul 2011, Sean Hunt wrote: > > > Award B Nomic the Patent Title "Imaginationland" > > > > Official pedantry: Not a person. > > Irrelevant, but relevant is power. I retract the proposal "B is Dead! Lon

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: a transaction

2011-01-18 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
Crap... I thought the 4th Amendment had predecence... =S On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2011, omd wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Sean Hunt >> wrote: >> > I sell my soul to the Lord Demon of UNDEAD >> >> CoE: You don't have sufficient ergs to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2011-01-04 Thread omd
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:17 PM, omd wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Sean Hunt >> wrote: >>> I CFJ (II=3) >> >> Proposal (AI=1.5, Distributable via fee): Amend Rule 2225 (Interest >> Index of Judicial Cases) by replacing "whic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: > On 10-12-19 11:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Arguments: "an opinion" can be reasonably interpreted as "exactly one >> opinion", leading to a straightforward judgement of TRUE. > > It can't really. This interpretation is generally unsupported: [snip] > "an" is an existential qualifi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread omd
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Oh.  Of course. >> >> Well, just for fun I pay a fee to move G. up one position on the List >> of Succession. > > I thought all ergs were destroyed? I have a very short memory.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, omd wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> why your voting limit is 0, > > See said unofficial list. > > Oh. Of course. > > Well, just for fun I pay a fee to move G. up one position on the List > of Succession. I thought all ergs were destroye

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Ed Murphy
omd wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Sean Hunt > wrote: >> On 10-12-19 11:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> >>> Arguments: Â "an opinion" can be reasonably interpreted as "exactly one >>> opinion", leading to a straightforward judgement of TRUE. >> >> It can't really. This interpretation is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Sean Hunt
On 10-12-19 11:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Arguments: "an opinion" can be reasonably interpreted as "exactly one opinion", leading to a straightforward judgement of TRUE. It can't really. This interpretation is generally unsupported: The Power of exactly one entity is a non-negative rationa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > I withdraw my previous votes on all agoran decisions in their voting >> > period and vote PRESENT.  (my apologies, I was going to do something >> > very very different, but with a voting limit of 0 I cannot).  -G. >> >> Huh? > > By what are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A hypothetical:

2010-12-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, omd wrote: > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I withdraw my previous votes on all agoran decisions in their voting > > period and vote PRESENT.  (my apologies, I was going to do something > > very very different, but with a voting limit of 0 I cannot)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A time to meet and discuss

2010-12-15 Thread Sean Hunt
On 10-12-15 02:23 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, omd wrote: Well, it's not like there's any other kind of Session. proto: During an Emergency Session, players SHOULD use a style of debate combining Robert's Rules of Order, Parliamentary Question Time, and Latin Rhetoric. Poi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A messy business

2010-11-22 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 17:25 -0500, Sean Hunt wrote: > On 10-11-22 05:08 PM, omd wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Sean Hunt > > wrote: > >>> I object to both and favor this CFJ. > >> > >> Why do you object? I am not trying to raise the II for personal gain. > > > > Because I honestly do

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A messy business

2010-11-22 Thread Sean Hunt
On 10-11-22 05:08 PM, omd wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: I object to both and favor this CFJ. Why do you object? I am not trying to raise the II for personal gain. Because I honestly don't think it's a very complicated case. But if there's a reason that I'm missin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A messy business

2010-11-22 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> I object to both and favor this CFJ. > > Why do you object? I am not trying to raise the II for personal gain. Because I honestly don't think it's a very complicated case. But if there's a reason that I'm missing why it is, tell me and I'll re

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A messy business

2010-11-22 Thread Sean Hunt
On 10-11-22 05:03 PM, omd wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: I favor this CFJ and also set its II to 1. I intend, without 3 objections, to set its II to 2, and I intend, without 2 objections, to set its II to 3. I object to both and favor this CFJ. Why do you object? I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: a

2010-08-16 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 14 August 2010 03:56, Ed Murphy wrote: > ais523 wrote: > >> On the other hand, I don't really understand why Space Alert exists at >> all... > > It has to exist!  Where would all the fragments go? > The proposal had to be submitted, because where would all the fragments go? It didn't have to be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: a

2010-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > On the other hand, I don't really understand why Space Alert exists at > all... It has to exist! Where would all the fragments go?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: a

2010-08-13 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:05 PM, ais523 wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 15:32 -0400, comex wrote: >> I intend, with 3 support, to start a new journey. > > Why is that not "3 support and notice?" I was wondering if anyone would support and let me start a new journey before y'all's notice timeouts e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A History of Agoran Wins, 2009-Present

2010-08-13 Thread comex
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 16:58, Alex Smith wrote: >> >> I publish the following thesis, intending to qualify for a degree >> (perhaps D.N.Hist?): >> { >> A History of Agoran Wins, 2009-present >> by ais52 > > First, I thought comex's win

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A New Idea

2010-04-14 Thread Sean Hunt
On 04/14/2010 09:29 AM, comex wrote: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: - if at least two other players done so so e last did so, or s/done/have done A player CAN, without objection from the Proposal's author, add a Fragment to a Defragmentation Proposal's I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A New Idea

2010-04-14 Thread Sean Hunt
On 04/14/2010 02:56 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: If - e has not already done so, or - if at least two other players done so so e last did so, or - three days have passed since e last did so, a player may publish a Fragment. A Fragment SHOULD be a short "CAN p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A Minor Change

2009-09-19 Thread Pavitra
comex wrote: > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 19, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Charles Walker > wrote: > >> I change my nickname to Walker. > > So, you subtracted me? Strictly speaking, e subtracted emself from you; eir previous nickname wasn't C+walker. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A Minor Change

2009-09-19 Thread Charles Walker
c wrote: > Charles Walker wrote: >> I change my nickname to Walker. > > So, you subtracted me? Yeah, sorry. -- Charles Walker

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A propo

2009-08-17 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/17 Ed Murphy : > What's the point of playing Debate-o-Matic before it gets > distributed?  E may as well retract and resubmit. To exploit a bug, obviously.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A propo

2009-08-17 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, comex wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:32 PM, comex wrote: >>> I play Distrib-u-Matic to make it distributable. >> I play Committee to make it undistributable. >> I play Debate-o-Matic to make it democratic. > > Oh. Clever. > > [gets popcorn and sits

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A propo

2009-08-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 13:59, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 13:57, comex wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:44, comex wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:32 PM, comex wrote: > I play Distrib-u-Matic to make it distribut

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A propo

2009-08-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 13:57, comex wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:44, comex wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:32 PM, comex wrote: I play Distrib-u-Matic to make it distributable. >>> >>> I play Committee to make it undistributabl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A propo

2009-08-17 Thread comex
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:44, comex wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:32 PM, comex wrote: >>> I play Distrib-u-Matic to make it distributable. >> >> I play Committee to make it undistributable. >> I play Debate-o-Matic to make it democratic.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A wisp of vapor escapes the fountain...

2009-06-17 Thread Warrigal
2009/6/17 Charles Reiss > I don't think your attempt to define 'Marvy' does anything. (The judge, > after carefully considering the implications of using it as guidance, > will probably decide not to in the best interest of the game.) And, > well, "you who are marvellous" probably isn't a bad 'ord

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A wisp of vapor escapes the fountain...

2009-06-16 Thread Charles Reiss
On 6/16/09 6:55 PM, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > >> Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >> >>> I agree to the following: >>> { >>> This is a Public Legalistic contract and a pledge, called Three Coins. >>> Parties to Three Coins are called Marvy. For

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A wisp of vapor escapes the fountain...

2009-06-16 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >> I agree to the following: >> { >> This is a Public Legalistic contract and a pledge, called Three Coins. >> Parties to Three Coins are called Marvy.  For the purposes of Three >> Coins, to Dance means to cast exactly on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A testing subject

2009-06-09 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 09:09 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: > Alex Smith wrote: > > Test Subject's Sentiment to Equitable on creation. The important part of > > this CFJ is that it was flipped; therefore, I judge CFJ 2559 FALSE. > > Hmm... it was flipped yet you judged FALSE? Am I missing something here?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A couple more CfJs

2009-05-06 Thread comex
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 15:19 -0400, comex wrote: >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rodlen wrote: >> > I CfJ on the following statement: >> >> CFJ :p > > Hey, I often write it with a lowercase f. I agree that the capital is > more common, though.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A couple more CfJs

2009-05-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 15:19 -0400, comex wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rodlen wrote: > > I CfJ on the following statement: > > CFJ :p Hey, I often write it with a lowercase f. I agree that the capital is more common, though. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A test

2009-04-17 Thread Ian Kelly
2009/4/17 comex : > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> This is a test. > > Evidence: Gmail's preview line shows the message as: > > BUS: A test‎ - This is a test. I call for judgement on the statement > "Actions can be taken in plain-text … It doesn't for me. Gratuitous: This

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: A scam

2009-02-13 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 10:07 -0600, Benjamin Caplan wrote: >> > Pavitra wrote: >> >> I CFJ on the statement: "Warrigal CAN deregister." >> > I think the CFJ is a pretty clear TRUE, because I think Warrigal didn't > cause emself to fail to be a player when e attempted to deregist

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: A scam

2009-02-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 10:07 -0600, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Alexander Smith wrote: > > Pavitra wrote: > >> In fact, I think I can get a Win by Paradox out of this. I CFJ on the > >> statement: "Warrigal CAN deregister." I believe that eir citizenship > >> cannot be determined, and so (since players

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: A scam

2009-02-13 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Alexander Smith wrote: > Pavitra wrote: >> In fact, I think I can get a Win by Paradox out of this. I CFJ on the >> statement: "Warrigal CAN deregister." I believe that eir citizenship >> cannot be determined, and so (since players unambiguously CAN >> deregister, while non-players clearly CANNOT)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A trivial paradox?

2009-01-12 Thread comex
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > It's pretty rare for them to actually work; even the Gnarly Contract > (the only recent one I can remember working) needed two tries. Also, can > we please fix that loophole, now? (I submitted a proposal to fix it, but > IIRC it was voted down.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A trivial paradox?

2009-01-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 13:17 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jan 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > > I call for judgement on the statement {{{If a rule were created with the > > text {{Wooble SHALL NOT Dance a Powerful Dance. Neither sentence of this > > rule has an effect.}}, then it would be ILLEGAL

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A trivial paradox?

2009-01-08 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Charles Schaefer wrote: > He just can't Dance a Powerful Dance to the business list. It's kind of hard > to dance to (on) a public forum anyway. Agora's scope is not limited to its fora. Anyone who's ever seen me dance will vote FOR this proposal, and immediately

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A really unlikely scam

2009-01-02 Thread Warrigal
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Sgeo wrote: > I'm pretty sure only rules can define offices. Yes, but only rules can define dependent actions. --Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A very small partial mousetrap?

2008-12-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 10:27 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Thu, 25 Dec 2008, Alex Smith wrote: >>> Any person CAN agree to this contract. The agreement need not be done by >>> announcement; any action, in any nomic, which has the effect of agreeing >>> to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A very small partial mousetrap?

2008-12-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 10:27 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 25 Dec 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > > Any person CAN agree to this contract. The agreement need not be done by > > announcement; any action, in any nomic, which has the effect of agreeing > > to this contract is sufficient to constitute a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A question

2008-11-07 Thread Warrigal
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7 Nov 2008, at 21:58, Warrigal wrote: > >> Well, that was fun. > > > Oh great, you're back to making completely useless contracts. But the Notary doesn't have to track this one. --Warrigal of Escher

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A silly paradox

2008-10-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think Warrigal's argument is similar to this: > > Define Buckingham Palace to be a Frobozz Magic Exculpator if and only if > it is not owned by the Queen of England. > > Then, Buckingham Palace is an asset if the Queen doesn

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A silly paradox

2008-10-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:09 PM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:56 AM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> But if the Terre Haute is "the Terre Haute", then it is a string, >>> which exist

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A silly paradox

2008-10-31 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 16:09 -0400, warrigal wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:56 AM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> But if the Terre Haute is "the Terre Haute", then it is a string, > >> which exists independently

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A silly paradox

2008-10-31 Thread warrigal
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:56 AM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But if the Terre Haute is "the Terre Haute", then it is a string, >> which exists independently of the contract, so the contract cannot >> make it an asse

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A silly paradox

2008-10-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:56 AM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But if the Terre Haute is "the Terre Haute", then it is a string, > which exists independently of the contract, so the contract cannot > make it an asset. Wait, that doesn't follow. "The Terre Haute" was defined to be the *nam

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A silly paradox

2008-10-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:56 AM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:01 PM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I award the Terre Haute to Rochelle O'Shea. >> >> I think this bit fails since, as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A silly paradox

2008-10-31 Thread warrigal
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:01 PM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I award the Terre Haute to Rochelle O'Shea. > > I think this bit fails since, as previously noted, Rochelle O'Shea > does not exist. By CFJ 2176, fictiona

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A silly paradox

2008-10-30 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:01 PM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I award the Terre Haute to Rochelle O'Shea. > > I think this bit fails since, as previously noted, Rochelle O'Shea > does not exist. Gratuituous arguments: At least one real person named Rochelle O'Shea appear

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-17 Thread comex
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Correction: the rules allow you to create a new VOIDED section. Nomic Wars does not say that I can create a new Voided Section by announcement, which might become a Section. Rather, it says that I can create a Section, and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would anyone take it seriously if the US Congress passed a law stating > that their legislation took precedence over the US Constitution, which > was now void? Possibly these people: http://www.buildfreedom.com/language/del

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 13:31, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have a set of things called Rules, but they could be renamed to > Regulations without ceasing to be in effect; yet if I make a set of > things known to > Agora as Regulations, through a contract, they cannot govern the > gamestate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-17 Thread comex
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:09 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want to, say "I can do anything by announcement; this sentence > takes precedence over the laws of physics." and see what happens. Hmm. When we agree to the rules of a nomic, what are we really agreeing to-- what thing def

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:56, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I join Nomic Wars I. >> >> I add the following section to Nomic Wars I: >> { >> Sections with lower Ratings take precedence over sections with higher >> Rati

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-17 Thread ihope
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:01 AM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:48 AM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Even without that, the arguments against things spontaneously coming >> into power like that are unbreakably strong. > > How strong? Presently there are two se

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008, comex wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:48 AM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Even without that, the arguments against things spontaneously coming >> into power like that are unbreakably strong. > > How strong? Presently there are two self-consistent interpretations >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-17 Thread comex
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:48 AM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even without that, the arguments against things spontaneously coming > into power like that are unbreakably strong. How strong? Presently there are two self-consistent interpretations of the Nomic Wars contract-- the original Se

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-17 Thread ihope
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:08, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:56, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I join

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:08, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:56, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I join Nomic Wars I. >>> >>> I add the following section to Nomic Wars I: >>> { >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-16 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:08, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:56, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I join Nomic Wars I. >> >> I add the following section to Nomic Wars I: >> { >> Sections with lower Ratings take precedence over sections with higher >> Ratings

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A Great Relief

2008-10-03 Thread ehird
On 3 Oct 2008, at 23:00, Charles Reiss wrote: I don't see how either proposal would be effective under R1698 (especially if the recently proposed amendment to R101 passes). Even if it is, I am strongly opposed to attempting to read into "game custom" entire mechanisms for changing the rules. -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A Great Relief

2008-10-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008, ehird wrote: > On 3 Oct 2008, at 22:45, ihope wrote: > >> I submit the following proposal, titled "A Great Relief", with >> adoption index 3: Repeal all rules except Rules 101, 104, 217, and >> 2029. >> >> Note that Rule 101 implies that CFJs still exist, implying that the >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A decent proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:38 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:36 -0400, comex wrote: >> Erg, I withdraw the above proposal, and submit the following one: >> >> Proposal: Secured self-ratification (AI=3) >> { >> - Show quoted text - >> } > You seem to have messed it u

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A CFJ

2008-09-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:15 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> UNDETERMINED. Who is to say that this anonymous poster is the same as >> the previous one? > > Presumably only one person owns "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". E could

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A CFJ

2008-09-16 Thread Ben Caplan
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 03:55:31 pm Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:16 PM, invalid invalid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I call for judgement on the following issue: > > { > > I submitted a proposal in my recent post > > } > > > > -- Anonymous > > UNDETERMINED. Who is to say th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A CFJ

2008-09-16 Thread comex
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > UNDETERMINED. Who is to say that this anonymous poster is the same as > the previous one? Presumably only one person owns "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A simple CFJ

2008-08-29 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/8/29 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Trivially FALSE. A player can join one but not the other. Err, you mean trivially true.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A different approach to making props useful

2008-07-23 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think it would. That's why I worded it "who becomes" instead > of "who is". Becoming inactive or deregistered triggers the Slave > status on, there is no continuing requirement to remain that way. You worded it "who

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A different kind of rotation

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 13 July 2008 10:22:27 am comex wrote: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Ben Caplan > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 12 July 2008 10:05:36 pm Ben Caplan wrote: > >> [More rotation.] > > > > Comments? > > Seems like a lot of work for the Disc Jockey. Probably. Note, though

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A different kind of rotation

2008-07-13 Thread comex
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 12 July 2008 10:05:36 pm Ben Caplan wrote: >> [More rotation.] > > Comments? Seems like a lot of work for the Disc Jockey.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A different kind of rotation

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Saturday 12 July 2008 10:05:36 pm Ben Caplan wrote: > [More rotation.] Comments?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A different kind of rotation

2008-07-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 13 July 2008 10:00:48 am Benjamin Schultz wrote: > The Airstrip One contract is giving contract-defined props to > players who are not parties to the contract. Is this a good idea? > Is this permissible? I don't see that it's fundamentally different from pens or chits.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A MODEST PROPOSAL

2008-06-24 Thread Taral
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most programming languages' numeric data types are really crap at storing > arbitrary numbers. They tend to be machine registers wearing wigs, > not the mathematical abstractions that we naively imagine. <3 Haskell. Prelude> 10

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A MODEST PROPOSAL

2008-06-24 Thread Zefram
Elliott Hird wrote: >This is where you switch to a language that does bignums ;) Fortunately I already store it as a string. We had similar shenanigans last year. Proposal 4909 had AI=1.01337, to find out whether there was any floating-point rounding in the promotor's aut

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A MODEST PROPOSAL

2008-06-23 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's really no reason to have a proposal with adoption index above 3, as power 3 is enough to grant omnipotence. (Its Royal Majesty

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A MODEST PROPOSAL

2008-06-23 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:07 PM, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> There's really no reason to have a proposal with adoption index above >>> 3, as power 3 is enough to grant omnipotence. (Its Royal Majesty Rule >>> 2140 says

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: A MODEST PROPOSAL

2008-06-23 Thread Alexander Smith
ihope wrote: > It's a little bit like saying that a proposal that repeals a rule also > has a property called "Food" which has no effect whatsoever. 9.9 is an > arbitrary limit; 3 is not. Like Tidbits in B? -- ais523 <>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A MODEST PROPOSAL

2008-06-23 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There's really no reason to have a proposal with adoption index above >> 3, as power 3 is enough to grant omnipotence. (Its Royal Majesty Rule >> 2140 says, "No entity with power below the power of this rule can . . >> .") > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A MODEST PROPOSAL

2008-06-23 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > root wrote: >> There's really no reason to disallow it, either. > Apart from proposals whose AI appears to be deliberately set > high so they database can't handle them? I meant in relation to Murphy's proposal. Unless

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A MODEST PROPOSAL

2008-06-23 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/23 Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Apart from proposals whose AI appears to be deliberately set > high so they database can't handle them? > -- > ais523 > It's just a good thing that we all wouldn't stoop to that level. ehird

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