Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

On Sat, 2017-07-29 at 00:34 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Jul 28, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Nic Evans wrote: > > Real idea: Ratify the Ruleset every Read the Ruleset Week. > Seconded. I like this idea, but it should be a tradition that we do so via proposal, as opposed to something automatic in the ru

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration as a player

On Sat, 2017-07-29 at 10:12 -0700, Ajay Kumar Raja wrote: > I would like to register as a player. Welcome! Just as a note, you normally have to be quite precise with your language when taking actions in Agora (registration is an exception, which is why this (probably) works). Saying that you'd li

Re: DIS: A clearer proposal

On Sun, 2017-07-30 at 13:12 -0700, Ajay Kumar Raja wrote: > I would also like to change my Agora username to babelian, if > possible. Is there an accepted way to do this? Your name at Agora is the name that people widely use to refer to you. If you make it clear what name you'd like people to use,

DIS: Re: BUS: New Proposal: "Agoraculture v. 2.0"

On Sun, 2017-07-30 at 16:44 -0700, Ajay Kumar Raja wrote: > Proposal Title: Agoraculture v. 2.0 > > Author: babelian > > Adoption Index: 2.0 Something seems to have gone wrong with the formatting here; I can't visually distinguish the text that's meant to be part of a new rule, from the instruct

DIS: Re: BUS: Calling 2 CFJs

On Mon, 2017-07-31 at 10:24 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > I hope these are remotely meritorious. I remember some controversy about > whether the overhaul rule violated 217, I don't agree that it does but I wish > to > put it to rest. > > I call a CFJ on "The rule change purporting to enact a rule enti

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3547 assigned to omd, CFJ 3548 assigned to Murphy

On Mon, 2017-07-31 at 13:30 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > Hon Arbitor I think you missed o.'s "statute of limitations" CFJ Thanks for the reminder. I'm finding keeping up with Agora really difficult at the moment. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Uh oh

On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 05:17 +, Aris Merchant wrote: > I think there's a scamable hole in the rule "Rewards". It says that the > reward for "Publishing a duty-fulfilling report" is "5 shinies". If you CoE > your own report, then it's your duty to revise it. The revision is also a > report, and i

Re: DIS: CFJ 3529 numbering?

On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 17:00 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Hi ais523, > > CFJ 3529 was assigned to Sprocklem on 20 Jun 2017, and the > same number used for a different CFJ statement assigned to > Quazie on 27 Jun 2017. > > Has this been cleared up (I saw some traffic on incorrect CFJ > numbers, b

DIS: Re: BUS: Going through the motions (likely frivolous "scam")

On Thu, 2017-08-03 at 16:57 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > Sorry sorry sorry. But the rules do textually allow me to do this, > although I am sure the rules will be construed by the already pending > CFJ to obviously not allow me to do this because it would be silly. > But I can't not *try* > > I intend

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Going through the motions (likely frivolous "scam")

On Thu, 2017-08-03 at 11:49 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Is anything worth aiming for when anyone can ratify anything by > announcement? RWO explicitly can't change the ruleset. That makes it difficult to do irreversible damage to the gamestate with it, even if it's possible to RWO arbitrary docume

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Going through the motions (likely frivolous "scam")

On Thu, 2017-08-03 at 12:57 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > I'd have attempted to use the scam to close itself if I could think of > > a way to do so (either it fails, no big deal, nothing happens; or it > > succeeds and thus t

DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] August Estate Auction

On Tue, 2017-08-01 at 01:18 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the August estate > auction for the estate of Borduria has begun. > > For those of you who are new, please review Rule 2491 (“Estate > Auctions”). In summary: > > * Bids may only be placed by

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

On Sun, 2017-08-13 at 20:15 -0500, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > CoE grok is a player If only we could set up a standing order for this or something. The Referee should perhaps at least start giving out cards; a mistake in a report is excusable, making it that many times in a row isn't. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3552 assigned to omd

On Sun, 2017-08-13 at 21:40 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > This is CFJ 3552. I assign it to omd. > > I am amused that the CFJ on 3x sloppy reporting has a > third-time sloppy CFJ number :) > > (3552 was assigned to o on A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Doomsday

On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 09:50 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Elevating R1698 sounds like a good idea though.  One question is which > of 1698, 1030, and 1551 should be highest - do their global protections > interact in odd ways that mean we should be careful about their order? I've believed for a whil

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Doomsday

On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 12:57 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 09:50 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Elevating R1698 sounds like a good idea though.  One question is which > > > of 1698, 1030, and 1551 should b

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3550 assigned to Quazie

On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 02:03 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Alex Smith > wrote: > > > > I spend an action point, if it is possible for me to do so, to > > > call > > > for judgement on the following statement: > > > > &

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Elections

On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 21:24 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:09 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > > Because I am rather bored, I initiate elections for Prime Minister, > > Herald and Report or by announcement. > > As this appears not to have “stuck,” and as V.J Rada specifically > reque

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 23:46 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Cuddle Beam > > wrote: > > > > like playing I Want To Be The Guy > > Steady on! > > Actually, I broadly agree with your overall thesis. Precedent and > history are _important_, and I think it’s worth under

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 22:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > I've discovered that it's basically impossible to force Agorans to use > > what were once called "supplementary legal codes" in any way other than > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 22:34 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I guess I don't understand what you mean when you say something is > "different" than contracts.  If it's a "supplementary legal code", it > described a set of usages to follow.  If that's what you call a > contract, it's a tautology to say al

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 23:06 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I'm not seeing how Organizations are any different though? > It cloaks things in "appropriate" changes of switches to different > text values, but that's just amending legal codes just the same...? It was meant to be a pragmatised but non-sub

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: tournament results CFJs

On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 17:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > (Yet another reason why I'm not the greatest of Arbitors…) > > Well it's not like you're being paid... ;) Indeed. I'm getting more money from Tailor even tho

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 19:53 -0500, Nic Evans wrote: > * We have too many subsystems. It's hard to admit because nearly all of > them are neat and well designed, but it's just too much in one game at > once. Do we need three different binding agreements (agencies, pledges, > organizations)? Probably

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 19:48 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > My personal opinion on this whole business is that we should get rid of > organizations (no one uses them), but shouldn't eliminate cards. I know the main reason I'm not using them more is that I'm finding it very hard to word Organization

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 20:02 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I’ve added some annotations to each section of the online ruleset > (agoranomic.org/ruleset ). They try to > give a quick summary of each section, and mention which sections are > important to understand at the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deregister

On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 04:35 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 20:02 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > I’ve added some annotations to each section of the online ruleset > > > > (agoranomic.org/ruleset <http://agoranomic.org/ruleset>). They try to >

Re: DIS: CFJ

On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 08:46 -0600, Kyle Anderson wrote: > This is interesting for new players or observers such as myself, who may > not know the intricacies of the rules pertaining to a given statement, such > as "I have a platinum ribbon". Therefore, the belief that a statement may > be in violat

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.

On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 03:05 +0200, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > >>> I now CFJ: "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon". > >> > >> I call for judgement on the statement "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum > >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Rule content CFJs

On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 23:23 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > On both? From your argument, it sounds like the proposal text > contains the comment (second CFJ true) but it is stripped when > adopting.  > > That’s a good enough answer for me. I retract those CFJs.  I believe the proposal actually cont

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rule content CFJs

On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 09:54 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Here’s the assessor text in question: http://www.mail-archive.com/ago > ra-offic...@agoranomic.org/msg08096.html archive.com/agora-offic...@agoranomic.org/msg08096.html>. The > bracketed text is in the indented section co

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

On Mon, 2017-08-28 at 15:46 -0700, Owen Jacobson wrote: > COE: this report omits the value of the Floating Value switch, > required by rule 2139 (“The Registrar”) and rule 2497 (“Floating > Value”). I was busy writing up a CFJ about whether this was a "stop the gamestate ratifying" sort of COE tha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

On Mon, 2017-08-28 at 17:03 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > The Registrar's Report before the one that was CoEd my well have self- > > ratified the Floating Value as 0 (it's defined as containing a list of > > all Float

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

On Mon, 2017-08-28 at 17:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The report must "include the fact that the list is empty".  I think, > in plain language, this must be something like a sentence "there are no > non-default values for the X switch."  Otherwise the fact is not "included." I agree that this is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

On Mon, 2017-08-28 at 17:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > In other words, if there's no portion of the report purporting to be > that particular section, the switches don't ratify. Oh wow, the "purports to be" protection was mostly AFAIK intended to save us in places where the report wasn't actually

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3537

On Fri, 2017-09-01 at 10:26 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-09-01 at 15:12 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > > > I initiate the Agoran Decision to determine public confidence in > the > > > judgement of CFJ 3537. &g

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3537

On Sat, 2017-09-02 at 08:35 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > "a pledge to violate the judge's judicial duty" > > Did I do that? Sorry. Apparently it was CuddleBeam who did that on a different CFJ in a similar thread. Sorry for any confusion. (I think some people got confused earlier in the message I was

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3537

On Fri, 2017-09-01 at 23:41 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2017-09-02 at 08:35 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > > "a pledge to violate the judge's judicial duty" > > > > Did I do that? Sorry. > > Apparently it was CuddleBeam who did that on a differen

Re: DIS: Severability

On Fri, 2017-09-01 at 21:15 -0700, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Are proposal clauses severable? > > Specifically, if Proposal A in a batch repeals rule N, and Proposal B > in the same batch amends rule N without considering what should > happen if Proposal A passes, does the amendment happen, fail to >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Organization Repeal

On Sat, 2017-09-02 at 05:01 +, Aris Merchant wrote: > Everyone (not directed at o in particular) e is a singular gender > neutral pronoun. Gender-neutral /and/ sentience-neutral. This works well in situations where you allow legal documents to become players and need a pronoun for them. I agr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Organization Repeal

On Fri, 2017-09-01 at 23:45 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I don’t support this. I see little harm in keeping an interesting > game mechanic in the ruleset, especially if we make it clear that it > is not necessary for beginners to understand. I still like the concept behind Organizations, but ther

Re: DIS: Re: Stamp Purchases on a-b (attn ais523, Gaelan)

On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 14:53 -0700, Owen Jacobson wrote: > It seems clear to me that the right outcome here is for you to keep > your shinies and not get a stamp, and given that the action of > spending shinies was clearly conditioned on creating a stamp, I think > that’s what actually happened, too

Re: DIS: Proto: Card Reform and Expansion

On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 15:05 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > I'm currently working on that unified contracts/orgs/agencies > implementation I was talking about. I want non-player persons to be > able to join contracts, which necessitates some penalty for breaches. > This would also incidentally also f

Re: DIS: Proto: Card Reform and Expansion

On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 15:51 -0700, Owen Jacobson wrote: > What about tying it to Festivals? That's a good example of the sort of thing that's a real punishment but can easily be worked around with scams; if you set voting power to 0, but at power 2, then if anyone ever tries to do it to everyone e

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report and Addenda

On Sun, 2017-09-03 at 17:33 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > STUPIDITY: I CoE that the deregistrations weren’t processed. The way this is worded makes me think that a stupidity is a type of game action. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer makes 100 stamps

On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 17:02 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > You *could* read "I pay X to do Y" as a conditional, as in "I pay X, and > if it doesn't make Y happen, I don't pay X".  But that's not official in > the rules.   Transferring shinies to Agora and creating a Stamp as a result is defined in ru

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer makes 100 stamps

On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 17:20 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 17:02 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > You *could* read "I pay X to do Y" as a conditional, as in "I pay X, and > > > if it doesn

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Float On

On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 17:24 -0700, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I didn’t think “spend” was unclear, exactly, since the rules define > “pay”: My problem with the existing rules that use spending isn't that it's unclear what the effect of spending would be, but that it's unclear what the mechanism for spe

Re: DIS: Draft: Contracts

On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 23:10 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > A few design principles: > > 1. Contracts should be easy to use. The primary cause for the failure > of organizations was their complexity. You had to come up with a name. > You had to deal with member's budgets. You had to specify whether

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stamps for sale

On Tue, 2017-09-05 at 20:41 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > there isn't really another way to register, is there? or do you want > me to not clearly and ambiguously register, sneaking in the CFJ > precedent but going outside of the "by announcement" definition. I think there's been speculation for a whil

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Monsters

On Tue, 2017-09-05 at 07:43 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Proto:  Portfolio wins. > > Estates are worth 10 points each.  Stamps are worth 2 points each > Monsters are worth 5 points each.  (other possible assets other > than shinies). > > A Portfolio is a combination of asset

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Monsters

On Tue, 2017-09-05 at 19:00 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Proto: Perks. A Player has a Perk if they fulfill the requirements in > brackets next to the perk's name. Perks are the following: > > - Monsters Miners: [Having a Monster with at least 9 Power at an Estate you > own] Allows you to purchase S

DIS: Re: BUS: I take an action

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 10:00 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > i wish 2 do da playery-playery stuff like da agencies and da votin' > and da ownin' of da money n' all that. i now change my status 2 be > able to do all dat stuff. The second sentence looks a lot like an action by announcement, but maybe the fi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I take an action

On Tue, 2017-09-05 at 19:24 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > E could stash his money in an organization.  FWIW, I saw this scam ages ago, decided it was too risky to try to use (partly due to the risk of accidentally deregistering myself, but mostly because AFAICT the Shinies would be stuck in the Or

DIS: Re: BUS: Rabbons

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 15:37 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 15:48 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > > I award myself white and ultraviolet ribbons > > What's the timing on the Ultraviolet ribbon like? I can see how the > White ribbon works. Did you gain Champion w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ribbon

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 20:55 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > I also award myself a violet ribbon for deputisation. > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:42 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > > I once again cause myself to receive an ultraviolet ribbon. > > -- > > From V.J Rada a) NttPF, b) that's the wrong colour of ribbon a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Silver Quill for the Agoran Year ending on October 31, 2016

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 13:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > If I was the Herald before the below, I resolve the below decision as > indicated (without deputization). I think you can deputise for your own office as long as the other deputisation criteria are met (e.g. the action being late). -- ais52

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Revised report

On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 06:43 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: > Sorry yeah, I do accept this as true (sorry I got the rules wrong last > night) but because PSS is interested in fighting it I call a CFJ with > the statement "G is the Herald". He deputised for it in order to give > champion to all the winners.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 17:17 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > Since you lack either empathy or theory of mind and only react to > > personal > > damages: > > > > I pledge to vote AGAINST on all proposals created or pended by > > Cuddle Beam. > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 17:26 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > Mine, or nichdel's? Mine was sent to a-d, and is extremely vague > (what > exactly is a 'provocation' anyway)? And no, there isn't a time limit, > although there is one potential way out of any SHALL at the moment. Was primarily thinking of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Initiating elections.

On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 03:15 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Hrm. This is interesting. (If they're different) Would the verdict be what > I intended the message to mean or the consensus on the interpretation of > what I've written? It'd be pretty bad for the game if a person's actual intentions (which

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 09:10 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > This is a bit of a tangent but I'm curious to see if you'll play that card > or not. Imagine you choose NOT to reveal it, and have people need to go > with a worldview that isn't according to that insight. Imagine if revealing > that or not wi

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 00:14 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > OK, I’m just gonna do the scam properly so I can stop keeping secrets > and whatnot. > > For each player by reverse order of first registration, I destroy eir > stamps one at a time, causing Agora to give me the stamp value in > shinies for

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 00:52 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > The reason I have seen is public now (I made an attempt). The events > went down something like this, AFAIK: My reason was different, and I don't see any reason not to make it public (other than wanting the last Secretary's report to self-r

DIS: Test

Possibly the first time one of these /isn't/ a timing scam? It's possible my email problems have been resolved, at least with respect to sending. If this message gets through, presumably others will too. -- ais523

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 23:14 +, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:35 AM Owen Jacobson > wrote: > > * Find the most unlikely interpretations of the rules and call > > endless > > CFJs to support those interpretations. > > Finding them is optional in certain circumstances.

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 20:09 -0400, ATMunn . wrote: > I'm tempted to actually initiate a CFJ on that now. > > Is that a dumb idea? > That's probably a dumb idea. > > But maybe it's not. I have no idea. I'm pretty sure it was posted to agora-discussion intentionally, meaning that it can't take gam

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 20:46 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I noticed a significant mechanical defect and a style defect after I > pended it, so I withdraw the proposal “Make Your Home Shine” and > submit the following proposal in its place. This time, for sure! What prevents pledge owners from tran

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 21:13 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Rule 2166: > > > A fixed asset is one defined as such by its backing document, and > > CANNOT be transferred; any other asset is liquid. > > Proposal: > > > Pledges are an indestructible fixed asset. > > I’m assuming that framework for f

Re: DIS: [Proto] Aggregates (Contracts, by another means)

On Sat, 2017-09-23 at 00:54 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > The idea is that someone seeking to create a contract can instead > create a pledge, and then (in the same message, probably) create an > aggregate containing the pledge and the other affected assets. This > is limited - you can’t contract d

Re: DIS: Proto: Mother, May I? fix

On Sat, 2017-09-23 at 14:14 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > What’s the issue this solves? I’m having a rough morning, and I can’t > see the problem. It means that you don't incur a rules violation in the situation that the rules compel you to do something, but you have no way to do so. We used to d

Re: DIS: Various questions

On Sat, 2017-09-23 at 15:26 -0400, ATMunn . wrote: > One office that I could go for that doesn't seem too difficult is the > Tailor. If an election for it comes up, I'll definitely vote for > myself. > (Or could I deputize for it? I still don't fully understand the > deputisation thing) It became

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On Sat, 2017-09-23 at 12:46 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > You mean instead of fixing basic income, do something that makes the > problem worse? > No, I don't think I'd support that, and in general I disagree that > this is the issue to fix. I believe the correct fix involves a percentage tax on Shin

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

On Sun, 2017-09-24 at 01:30 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Btw Agoran Geronotocracy has been a problem since forever: > http://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~michaeln/agora/subgame-manifesto.html#g > erontocracy-syndrome One obvious fix is to make it so that it's possible to cash in an economic advantage for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm joining!

On Sun, 2017-09-24 at 10:59 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote: > > Hey nerds! After reading through the public archives for a little > over a week to decide whether or not I should join, I decided that I > should. > >  > > -- Reuben Staley > > Welcome!  Do you

Re: DIS: Screw all of this

On Sun, 2017-09-24 at 22:50 -0600, Rubin Stacy wrote: > I made a new gmail so that I can play the game. Please respond so I > know that it's working now. I received this, at least. -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report (revision 2)

On Mon, 2017-09-25 at 23:59 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > As Secretary, I destroy the organization “Agoran Betting Market”, as > its Income is below the Income Floor of 50. > > If anyone feels like reinstating it, its final charter is reproduced > below. About time too, I guess; its charter was b

Re: DIS: Economy and Games

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 00:56 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I’d be open to replacing the Estate auction with a lottery of players > with the fewest number of Estates, or a straight lottery. My original > intention was specifically to create a high-value item, so that > shinies would return to Agora s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pledge

On Mon, 2017-09-25 at 23:24 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > Speaking of mysterious secrets: ais523, can you tell us why you > submitted the repeal all rules proposal around the time of your > junta? > Sorry if I already asked and forgot about it. First of all, the actual text of the proposal was irr

[Fwd: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state]

ed Message ---- From: Alex Smith To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Subject: Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 20:15:43 +0100 > On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 07:52 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > It doesn't take 30 days due to a bug. > > > > To use

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 14:49 -0500, nichdel wrote: > ID: 7881 > Co-authors: V.J Rada, Aris, ais523 > > ID: 7882 > Co-authors: K, ais523 > > ID: 7886 > Co-authors: ais523, Ørjan Could someone award me a Lime Ribbon, please? It's one of the very few I don't already have, and as a non-player I can qu

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 21:19 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 14:49 -0500, nichdel wrote: > > ID: 7881 > > Co-authors: V.J Rada, Aris, ais523 > > > > ID: 7882 > > Co-authors: K, ais523 > > > > ID: 7886 > > Co-authors: ais523, Ørja

Re: BUS: Lime Ribbon Awarding and Unrelated Question (Was: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898)

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 15:46 -0500, Nic Evans wrote: > On 09/26/17 15:41, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > Oh, I forgot my question: > > > > I am soon planning to transition to Linux for most of my computing. > > What is the best email program (CLI or otherwise) that I could use > > for e

Re: BUS: Lime Ribbon Awarding and Unrelated Question (Was: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7876-7898)

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 16:39 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I award a Lime Ribbon to each of Aris, V.J. Rada, ais523, K, Ørjan, > and G., if each of them lacks it currently. a) you need three coauthored proposals in 7 days for the Lime Ribbon (so it's just V.J. Rada and me who get

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Guaranteed Stampage

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 19:08 -0500, Nicholas Evans wrote: > I was intending to propose a minimum value at least for stamps. Same > idea different implementation. It strikes me that it'd make a lot of sense for there to be a fixed cost for Stamp creation, in addition to the FV-scaling cost, but that

DIS: Re: BUS: My first proposal!

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 21:58 -0400, ATMunn . wrote: > Actually, can't you just state that you change things in a proposal > instead of retracting it and creating it again? You can't. This is at least partly a consequence of a scam several years ago in which someone got a dictatorship via editing a

DIS: Re: BUS: Trouble with agencies

On Wed, 2017-09-27 at 18:18 +1000, VJ Rada wrote: > An agency has been listed for a long time called "G is Overlord of > Dunce". Is is a verb, so that agency is clearly not an agency. The > problem? That agency was used months ago (like...May) to create > another agency, which was used to pend a pr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trouble with agencies

On Thu, 2017-09-28 at 00:51 +1000, VJ Rada wrote: > No, yeah, the proposal was rejected anyway. As I recall it repealed > the already-repealed dictatorship and existed only for the purpose of > a CFJ. I'm just doing this because of the uncontroversial nature of > GOD, the amount of reports it exist

Re: DIS: proto: more trust

On Wed, 2017-09-27 at 10:14 -0500, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > { > Excessive Trust > AI = 1 > Authors: grok > > Amend Rule 2452 "Trust Tokens" to include the following text immediately > after the final paragraph: > > "A person can win the game by announcement if e has been issued fifty Trust > T

Re: DIS: proto: more trust

On Wed, 2017-09-27 at 08:47 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > (Historically, it's normally been possible in nomics to find another > > player who's willing to give you a win in return for a bribe. In some > > cases, especially in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trouble with agencies

On Wed, 2017-09-27 at 10:13 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: > I’m curious about the RWO “no rule changes thing.” It says something > along the lines of “RWO can’t cause a rule change.” That obviously > bans direct rule changes, but what about RWO’ing into existence a > proposal with FOR votes from ever

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Herald] More than one way to skin a win

On Wed, 2017-09-27 at 11:17 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > [I also resigned to remove myself from the temptation of scamming a > Black Ribbon with the position - was considering it - so maybe it was > future-controversial :P ] How were you planning to do that? Just putting it on the report and hoping

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Elections: Assessor and Tailor

On Wed, 2017-09-27 at 11:52 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Naw, it would be an attempt for a paradox win.  Which doesn't exist > so I didn't do it.  :) I'm pretty sure that particular paradox attempt (Epimenedes versus Truthiness) is one that's been thoroughly explored already. CFJ 1902 is probably t

DIS: Re: BUS: Archival disclosure

On Thu, 2017-09-28 at 03:05 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Hello, > > As part of a project to mechanize some of my reports (and, hopefully, > others eventually), I will begin archiving public messages to a > Heroku application in approximately 72 hours, unless someone objects > before that time. On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trouble with agencies

On Thu, 2017-09-28 at 09:24 +0200, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > > > To avoid committing fraud I hereby specify that the document I am > > attempting to ratify is inaccurate to the extent that no such agency > > exists. Oh, I made a typo in the below ratification as

Re: DIS: Various questions

On Thu, 2017-09-28 at 14:24 -0400, ATMunn . wrote: > What exactly is quorum? I read rule 879 stating that it's a thing, > but it doesn't seem to explain what it is and what it means. It's a mechanism that causes votes to end with no result if not enough people participate in them. This exists in b

DIS: Re: BUS: Election Campaigns

On Thu, 2017-09-28 at 19:06 +, Alexis Hunt wrote: > I submit the following and spend 1 AP to pend it: > I pend this proposal for 1 AP. IIRC these both work, leaving you out of AP for the week. -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: [dicelog] [Fearmongor] Dice rolls

On Fri, 2017-09-29 at 23:22 +0200, Dice Server -5s0z8hf- wrote: > 1:  82 On Fri, 2017-09-29 at 14:20 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > 82 2458 (Invoking Lockout), power=1.2 Given that there's a current proto-proposal that would repeal this one, the choice seems fairly obvious in this case. -- ais

Re: DIS: Proto: Crime Improvements

On Sun, 2017-10-01 at 14:11 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > So having just written that, I'm going to change the opinion I started > this message with.  I think we shouldn't tie it to platonic winning and > platonic rules-breakages in any way.  We should tie it to actual Cards. Rests used to block the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of proposal 7877

On Tue, 2017-10-03 at 22:55 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Ørjan Johansen > > wrote: > > "The Date: header of an emailed public message constitutes a self- > > ratifying claim that the message was sent at the indicated time.” > > Far too powerful, given how difficult

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