Re: [Toybox] Microsoft github is disabling my account on the 7th.

2024-10-05 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-09-30 11:08:03, Rob Landley wrote: > I did https://mstdn.jp/@landley/113227281544666453 so have no idea if this > will > go out through the old smtp server, but maybe it has the old mx record cached > still... Well I got it at least. > Half the point of git is you can publish it multiple

Re: [Toybox] Microsoft github is disabling my account on the 7th.

2024-09-27 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-09-27 14:36:46, Ray Gardner wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 3:58 PM enh wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 2:19 PM Rob Landley wrote: > >> > >> On 9/25/24 10:48, enh wrote: > >> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 11:14 AM Rob Landley wrote: > >> > > GitHub users are now required to enable

Re: [Toybox] Microsoft github is disabling my account on the 7th.

2024-09-27 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-09-25 10:29:25, Rob Landley wrote: > > GitHub users are now required to enable two-factor authentication as > > an additional security measure. Your activity on GitHub includes you > > in this requirement. You will need to enable two-factor authentication > > on your account before November

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] more.c: More stuff, down cursor key scrolls down. Also stuff about less

2024-03-19 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-03-20 05:02:11, Oliver Webb via Toybox wrote: > But I have to ask the question "If it's so easy, why isn't it in toybox yet?" > Is it just because > other TODO items taking up time, or is it because it's harder to implement > than it seems. I might be able to shine some light on that. L

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] watch: flush the buffer each round.

2024-03-12 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-03-12 10:24:19, enh via Toybox wrote: > On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 8:45 AM Rob Landley wrote: > > > > Hello from Minneapolis: https://mstdn.jp/@landley/112078501045637288 > > > > Still _really_ fried from my move, but at least chipping away at the email > > backlog... > > at least it's the s

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] vi.c: Backspace to merge lines when at beginning, get_endline is no more, cleanup

2024-03-08 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-03-08 10:47:10, Jarno Mäkipää wrote: > I was not that interested on ex, and I think Rob said ex is obsolete > and not on his roadmap. But yes some of ex commands are just vi normal > mode commands, with special addressing. If someone needs them, I think > first thing to do is implement bett

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] clear.c: Clear scrollback buffer on non-vte (gnome based) terminals

2024-03-06 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-03-06 01:57:42, Rob Landley wrote: > Commodore did a unix for the amiga: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Unix Which, at least in Australia, they used for their own developer support servers. I know this coz I was a member of the Australian Amiga Developers, who where owed some mo

Re: [Toybox] buffer sizes

2024-02-28 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-02-28 15:41:06, Rob Landley wrote: > I can see arguing that you might need 8k there to avoid screen flicker with > the > large terminal sizes some people tend to use. I might be one of those people, with my 256 x 140 terminal. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz t

Re: [Toybox] deobfuscation of electricity meters

2024-02-27 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-02-27 20:29:31, Rob Landley wrote: > On 2/27/24 19:45, David Seikel wrote: > > On 2024-02-27 19:37:39, Rob Landley wrote: > >> "We put all the switches together in a common fusebox, it's down in the > >> basement. If you want to control any lights in th

[Toybox] deobfuscation of electricity meters

2024-02-27 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-02-27 19:37:39, Rob Landley wrote: > "We put all the switches together in a common fusebox, it's down in the > basement. If you want to control any lights in the house, go down there and > read > the labels, it's so much tidier that way." Wait, your switches in the basement have labels?

Re: [Toybox] Gmail being weird again.

2024-02-05 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-02-05 17:39:33, Mouse wrote: > > I was mostly offline over the weekend, and gmail refused pop3 this > > morning [...] > > > So I closed the tab and went to other windows, but next time I passed > > that virtual desktop I clicked "get messages" in thunderbird out of > > sheer habit... and i

Re: [Toybox] Gmail being weird again.

2024-02-05 Thread David Seikel
On 2024-02-05 12:09:28, Rob Landley wrote: > I was mostly offline over the weekend, and gmail refused pop3 this morning > with > "web login required", and the https://mail.google.com page prompted me for my > login/password (I log out when done with the thing I couldn't do without > logging > in)

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] microcom: move from e[x]it to [q]uit.

2023-11-06 Thread David Seikel
On 2023-11-06 14:32:45, enh via Toybox wrote: > i suspect https://github.com/tio/tio#32-key-commands is probably > making new traditions right now. well, that and PuTTY! tbh, i only > ever see people on youtube using gui stuff; there's even a gtkterm! It's entirely likely that people like me that

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] sh: pass "\" to the later app

2023-07-05 Thread David Seikel
On 2023-07-05 02:29:39, Rob Landley wrote: > >> still matching the behavior in my devuan install. (Still devuan bronchitis, > >> haven't updated to devuan cholera yet. Um, the web page says devuan B > >> matches > >> debian "buster" and devuan C matches "bullseye", if that helps.) > > > > Not at

Re: [Toybox] Linux From Scratch build.

2023-04-16 Thread David Seikel
On 2023-04-16 18:54:04, Rob Landley wrote: > Then I try to reproduce it in a container or vm, still with host tools. This > pretty much means "debootstrap", but that's a known thing I've done before. Have you looked at mmdebstrap instead of debootstrap? From the package description - "Downloads,

Re: [Toybox] "bad xform" not very helpful

2022-09-01 Thread David Seikel
On 2022-09-01 04:35:24, Rob Landley wrote: > On 8/30/22 03:59, David Seikel wrote: > > I'm good at reading code, but I know you are not. > > As demonstrated below. Well I had already cobbled together something that works for me, copying stuff from other parts of toybox, that

Re: [Toybox] Lots of libc's.

2022-08-31 Thread David Seikel
I guess the real question I want an answer to is which is the best libc? Rob obviously has his opinions, and I'd like to hear them. No doubt others on this list have their useful opinions to. For my purposes small, fast, high quality, pick three. Working across multiple operating systems would

Re: [Toybox] "bad xform" not very helpful

2022-08-31 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 18:15 David Seikel >wrote: > > On 2022-08-31 14:55:24, enh via Toybox wrote: > >    On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 12:22 PM enh wrote: > > > >      On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 10:28 AM enh wrote: > > > > 

Re: [Toybox] "bad xform" not very helpful

2022-08-31 Thread David Seikel
On 2022-08-31 14:55:24, enh via Toybox wrote: >On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 12:22 PM enh wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 10:28 AM enh wrote: > >On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 1:43 AM Rob Landley wrote: > > On 8/15/22 18:50, enh via Toybox wrote: > > and here's their

Re: [Toybox] Lots of libc's.

2022-08-30 Thread David Seikel
Oops I forgot a couple things. It's written in C and assembler. On 2022-08-30 18:59:37, David Seikel wrote: > The ability to run on different OSes is coz the beginning of it is a > polyglot hack that on Linux looks like a shell script that runs the rest > of the binary, but on Wind

Re: [Toybox] Lots of libc's.

2022-08-30 Thread David Seikel
Justine Tunney is the main developer, perhaps our local Google people might know her, she used to work there. On 2022-08-28 06:35:00, Rob Landley wrote: > On 8/27/22 20:11, David Seikel wrote: > > On 2022-08-27 04:06:58, Rob Landley wrote: > >> Honestly: people have already done

[Toybox] Lots of libc's.

2022-08-27 Thread David Seikel
On 2022-08-27 04:06:58, Rob Landley wrote: > On 8/26/22 18:11, enh via Toybox wrote: > > So, nobody reads my blog ("glob") at least not yet. I spent many many > > hours developing the world's fastest qsort() implementations, but I > > have no way to get anyone who can get them used to l

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] Fix truncate.test for macOS.

2022-07-04 Thread David Seikel
On 2022-07-04 05:21:21, Rob Landley wrote: > It's a pity there isn't a mac dev environment I can ssh into. I can can think > of > three Linux ones off the top of my head that are still up which I probably > have > credentials for. (Make that five. Probably more if I thought about it.) But > then

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] macOS: target 10.15.

2022-06-04 Thread David Seikel
On 2022-06-03 09:43:31, enh via Toybox wrote: >On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 9:27 AM Rob Landley wrote: > > On 6/2/22 19:41, enh wrote: > > Oh, yeah, I think *especially* for macOS where pretty much everyone is > always on > > the latest version anyway, unless your Mac equivalent

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] macOS: target 10.15.

2022-06-04 Thread David Seikel
On 2022-06-03 11:37:52, Rob Landley wrote: > On 6/2/22 19:48, David Seikel wrote: > > On 2022-06-02 17:41:09, enh via Toybox wrote: > >>Oh, yeah, I think *especially* for macOS where pretty much everyone is > >>always on the latest version anyway, unless

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] macOS: target 10.15.

2022-06-02 Thread David Seikel
On 2022-06-02 17:41:09, enh via Toybox wrote: >Oh, yeah, I think *especially* for macOS where pretty much everyone is >always on the latest version anyway, unless your Mac equivalent of the >seven year rule is "support the oldest macOS release that still gets >security backports", t

Re: [Toybox] ftpget: Remove

2021-10-29 Thread David Seikel
On 2021-10-29 17:22:33, Eric Molitor wrote: >I genuinely had trouble finding an FTP server to test until I remembered >those two. Devuan Linux has FTP servers for both our ISO and package repos. My own Devuan mirrors support FTP, and my daily logwatch says people are using them. https://

Re: [Toybox] init.c ? and oneit

2021-05-01 Thread David Seikel
On 2021-05-01 10:03:27, scsijon wrote: > > On 30/4/21 6:13 am, toybox-requ...@lists.landley.net wrote: > > On 4/29/21 12:08 AM, scsijon wrote: > > > On 20/4/21 5:19 pm, Rob Landley wrote: > > B) what spec? Posix doesn't _mention_ init (or mount), which is one of my > > persistent gripes about it.

Re: [Toybox] Phone docking stations for general purpose computing.

2020-05-23 Thread David Seikel
On 2020-05-22 00:20:06, Rob Landley wrote: > On 5/21/20 9:49 PM, David Seikel wrote: > > So yep, we can prototype the idea now, but I have my doubts that the > > world is ready for it yet. After all, why sell a cheap phone with a > > single USB-C port that can do everythin

Re: [Toybox] Phone docking stations for general purpose computing.

2020-05-21 Thread David Seikel
On 2020-05-18 23:49:49, Rob Landley wrote: > On 5/18/20 4:47 PM, scsijon wrote: > > Have a look for this, it may do for you. > > > > Hyper HyperDrive SOLO 7-in-1 - Silver > > https://www.hypershop.com/products/hyperdrive-solo-hub-for-usb-c-macbook-pc-devices > > > Turns a single USB-C port into

Re: [Toybox] Phone docking stations for general purpose computing.

2020-05-17 Thread David Seikel
On 2020-05-17 20:42:05, Rob Landley wrote: > Hey Elliott, USB-C to HDMI adapters are going for $5 now. If I grabbed > something > like https://www.ebay.com/i/312982429778 or > https://www.ebay.com/i/302957153131 > or any of the dozen others, and plugged that and my pixel 3a into the same > usb-c

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] vi: don't exit on ^C or ^D.

2020-01-23 Thread David Seikel
On 2020-01-23 11:40:19, Rob Landley wrote: > My own todo list item for a text editor was to make a generic engine I could > implement vi, emacs, nano/edit, and joe (wordstar) keybindings on top of (and > MAYBE share plumbing with less and watch). Which I did write for you, including sharing plum

Re: [Toybox] Finally being forced off gmail...

2019-12-17 Thread David Seikel
I didn't get that email, but I'm not using G Suite. On 2019-12-17 15:38:30, Rob Landley wrote: > Sometime between now and Feb 15 I need to move my email off gmail because pop3 > support is joining the Google Graveyard (at least that's how I read the > attached > email). I'll probably switch it to

Re: [Toybox] Fwd: hexedit uses VT-420 scroll ctrl sequences which dont work on tty1

2019-09-26 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 08:49:10 -0500 Rob Landley said : > On 9/25/19 12:59 PM, David Seikel wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 12:24:13 -0500 Rob Landley said : > >> On 9/24/19 1:18 AM, Jarno Mäkipää wrote: > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> I now tested

Re: [Toybox] Fwd: hexedit uses VT-420 scroll ctrl sequences which dont work on tty1

2019-09-25 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 12:24:13 -0500 Rob Landley said : > On 9/24/19 1:18 AM, Jarno Mäkipää wrote: > > Hi > > > > I now tested to run hexedit in tmux: downscroll works but upscroll > > does not... Well we might say its tmux fault, but lots of people > > use tmux nowadays. And this behavior seemed to

Re: [Toybox] Editor for toybox?

2019-09-23 Thread David Seikel
On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:50:12 +1000 scsijon said : > Do I remember you considering adding a multi-purpose editor into > toybox? I had written a very basic generic editor for toybox long ago, with plans to add more advanced features to it. Rob didn't like it, so it never made it in. That's been o

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] vi: small fixes.

2019-09-08 Thread David Seikel
On Sun, 8 Sep 2019 03:03:52 -0500 Rob Landley said : > On 9/8/19 2:08 AM, Jarno Mäkipää wrote: > > Mailinglist didint send me Rob:s message and I feel like I am > > missing sometimes other messages too. But I saw robs message on > > archive so wanted to reply anyway so i copy pasted it here... >

Re: [Toybox] I merged mkroot.

2019-08-24 Thread David Seikel
On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 11:56:12 -0500 Rob Landley said : > So if you "make root" it'll build a simple toybox based root > filesystem, and if you have $LINUX pointing to a linux source > directory, it'll build it based on whatever architecture your cross > compiler points to. Cool. I'd love to eventu

Re: [Toybox] Toybox in Devuan / Debian. Was: [PATCH] losetup: fix the race.

2019-08-09 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 21:55:02 -0500 Rob Landley said : > On 8/8/19 9:00 AM, David Seikel wrote: > > Now that you mention it Devuan has a busybox package, via Debian, > > but no toybox package. If we want to do something about that the > > question becomes - do we push it in

[Toybox] Toybox in Devuan / Debian. Was: [PATCH] losetup: fix the race.

2019-08-08 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 08:10:12 -0500 Rob Landley said : > On 8/7/19 10:59 AM, enh wrote: > > and if the next stage in your personal "surely this can't be true?" > > journey is the same as mine, the answer i got from our init > > maintainer for the "why?" is that the kernel doesn't want to have > > an

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] scan_key: support more terminals.

2019-04-12 Thread David Seikel
I presume you meant to send this to the list. On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:52:10 -0500 Rob Landley wrote: > On 4/11/19 9:46 PM, David Seikel wrote: > >>> luckily i suspect in 2019 we mainly want function keys just so we > >>> can throw them away and get on to the next meani

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] scan_key: support more terminals.

2019-04-11 Thread David Seikel
> > luckily i suspect in 2019 we mainly want function keys just so we > > can throw them away and get on to the next meaningful keypress! but > > i can easily put this back to one constant per key if you prefer. > > Unfortunately a command line utility doesn't get to _see_ the > function keys, s

Re: [Toybox] alias tar="tar --restrict"

2019-04-05 Thread David Seikel
For what it is worth, OpenSim (the open source Second Life clone I do a lot of work in) has .iar and .oar files, which are just .tar.gz files with a specific restriction in the order of files in them. These files are archives of a users in world inventory, or parts of their inventory (.iar files),

Re: [Toybox] gmail unsubscribed everyone from the list again.

2019-02-09 Thread David Seikel
> I fixed it all up via the web gui when gmail did this last week, and > I just fixed it up again after yesterday's mass-bouncing, but I'm > kind of tired of it. > > As far as I can tell, other mailing lists are coming to a "gmail is > too dysfunctional to use with mailing lists" consensus: I've

Re: [Toybox] Alternatives to github?

2019-01-28 Thread David Seikel
> (I've been thinking of putting it on landley.net but dreamhost's docs > about putting anything there are all "you can store your website in > a .git repo, and then mirror your website repo to github!" That's not > what I'm trying to do, thanks. Can I get a cgit instance running on > landley.net/g

Re: [Toybox] Of course gmail unsubscribed me for that.

2019-01-13 Thread David Seikel
> If you also didn't get the big long "how patch works" email I sent > because gmail, it's at > http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/toybox-landley.net/2019-January/010049.html > > (It went OUT through gmail's smtp server, and was then bounced as > spam when the mailing list delivered a copy back to

Re: [Toybox] Tired of gmails nonsense.

2018-12-11 Thread David Seikel
Rob Landley wrote: > On 12/4/18 1:30 PM, Ivo van Poorten wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 13:54:10 +1000 David Seikel > > wrote: > >> I'm not sure if it's gmails fault entirely, but I've only been > >> seeing about half of the posts t

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] mktemp: fix the tests and the logic.

2018-12-07 Thread David Seikel
> Sorry for the delay replying, gmail unsubscribed everybody from the > list again and I had to do the web gui dance. I had left my read only gmail account on this list as a comparison to my account on my own email server. As expected, the gmail one did the bouncy spam thing, mine didn't. So I'l

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] macOS: move getmountlist.c functions into portability.c.

2018-12-05 Thread David Seikel
> What ever it is, this isn't the first mailman driven mailing list I'm > having that problem with. I wonder if there is a simple to use > "convert base64 encoded ASCII emails to just plain damn ASCII emails" > utility I can bolt onto my mail filtering pipeline and be done with > it? I logged ont

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] macOS: move getmountlist.c functions into portability.c.

2018-12-05 Thread David Seikel
Given the subject of this port of the discussion, apologies for the lack of attribution in the quotes below. > > Though now I'm getting annoyed at mailman sending plain ASCII text > > as base64 encoding. My email proggy can't handle quoting that. It > > didn't used to. > > I wonder if that's

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] macOS: move getmountlist.c functions into portability.c.

2018-12-05 Thread David Seikel
> There's something strange about gmail and this mailing list.  I still > can read your messages only from Elliot Hughes' replies (And of > course I saw that message since you Cc'ed me). I can't even find your > messages in the "Spam" folder in Thunderbird! Switching to no longer using gmail seems

Re: [Toybox] Tired of gmails nonsense.

2018-12-04 Thread David Seikel
> What are you using for spam filtering? On my mail server I don't have any spam filtering, but at my client end I use a mailfilter black / gray / white list which also sorts things into my local IMAP folders. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver c

[Toybox] Tired of gmails nonsense.

2018-12-03 Thread David Seikel
I'm not sure if it's gmails fault entirely, but I've only been seeing about half of the posts to this list. Mostly those from enh of late. I know others post, I ran see their replies in things enh quotes. Last month it was mostly just Robs posts. And yet another "membership in the mailing list T

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH 1/2] macOS: use getconf rather than nproc for portability.

2018-11-28 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:11:03 -0800 enh via Toybox wrote: > yeah, bitrot is my big fear too. i really don't want to have to > actually get a mac. (even if i'm not paying for it, this current > macbook pro genuinely is the most awful laptop i've ever used.) > > but i suspect i could always just up

Re: [Toybox] Fun with the android NDK.

2018-09-08 Thread David Seikel
On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 18:43:17 -0500 Rob Landley wrote: > The big driver for both memory and storage consumption since the DOS > days has been increasing display resolution and video, but a 4k > display is the same resolution as digital cinema blown up on the wall > of a theatre https://en.wikipedia

Re: [Toybox] Release fiddling, need another day or two.

2017-10-06 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 19:16:45 -0500 Rob Landley wrote: > None of these messages have shown up in the web archive since > dreamhost "fixed" it. There's nothing for the month of October yet. > > Dreamhost is really, really, really bad a this. Is it time to move to someone other than Dreamhost? > R

Re: [Toybox] Stat %Z - What are valid values?

2017-01-25 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:15:37 -0600 Rob Landley wrote: > On 01/24/2017 06:10 PM, Rich Felker wrote: > >>> strptime with %s? I suspect there are some nasty underspecified > >>> issues with how it interacts with timezones. > >> > >> I thought unix time was always UTS and the timezone just affected >

Re: [Toybox] [PATCH] Add "microcom" to pending.

2017-01-23 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:25:47 -0600 Rob Landley wrote: > P.S. How is spider-man _not_ an Australian superhero? Bojack Horseman is more our style, coz Australia's deadliest animal is now ... horses. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-17/horse-more-likely-to-kill-you-than-bees-wasps-snakes-spiders

Re: [E-devel] [RFC] EFL Multi-seat

2016-09-15 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:47:34 -0500 Derek Foreman wrote: > On 15/09/16 10:51 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Derek Foreman > > wrote: > >> Wayland does have separate focus for pointer, keyboard, and touch > >> within a seat - and there's no "seat focus" at

Re: [E-devel] Mac for EFL build bot.

2016-09-09 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 10:27:17 +0200 Stefan Schmidt wrote: > Hello. > > On 01/09/16 20:57, David Seikel wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 15:17:54 +0200 Stefan Schmidt > > wrote: > > > >> Hello. > >> > >> Just back from summer vacation. > >

Re: [E-devel] Mac for EFL build bot.

2016-09-01 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 15:17:54 +0200 Stefan Schmidt wrote: > Hello. > > Just back from summer vacation. Ah, I was beginning to wonder why nothing was happening here. Welcome back. > On 28/08/16 23:34, Jean Guyomarc'h wrote: > >> Oh, and running VMs gets around Apples lack of legal support for >

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [website/planet] master 01/01: MINOR: config: Remove raster dead blog

2016-08-30 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:10:10 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:22:46 +1000 David Seikel > said: > > > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:13:30 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:13:4

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [website/planet] master 01/01: MINOR: config: Remove raster dead blog

2016-08-30 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:13:30 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:13:46 -0700 Bertrand Jacquin > said: > > > beber pushed a commit to branch master. > > > > http://git.enlightenment.org/website/planet.git/commit/?id=6f0e0476ac73b19c57dcca2d4e589730585dddcb > >

Re: [E-devel] Mac for EFL build bot.

2016-08-28 Thread David Seikel
it at a time. > And thank you for proposing a mac build bot :-) Well, other than building and testing virtual world viewers for myself and Nicky, it's sitting there gathering dust. Might as well put it to good use. Cost me enough. lol > Best regards, > Jean > > > On Sun, Au

Re: [E-devel] Mac for EFL build bot.

2016-08-27 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:55:59 +1000 David Seikel wrote: > On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 10:56:35 -0700 Cedric BAIL > wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Jean Guyomarc'h > > wrote: > > > I guess the Jenkins could use it as a slave (or an OSX VM running > &

Re: [E-devel] Callback arrays and callback invocation optimisations

2016-08-26 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:46:48 +0100 Tom Hacohen wrote: > a shitload of times. If I remember correctly, _efl_object_call_end is > one line: _eo_unref(obj). And that one is essentially if > (--(obj->ref) == 0) and then just returns in 99.99% of the cases. Not > a lot to optimise there. :) Make it a

[E-devel] Mac for Jenkins.

2016-08-25 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 10:56:35 -0700 Cedric BAIL wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Jean Guyomarc'h > wrote: > > I guess the Jenkins could use it as a slave (or an OSX VM running > > atop of it). There was a discussion with Cedric and Stefan about > > adding a mac in the build infra, but I

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [core/efl] master 03/08: ecore_con: use F_CLOEXEC instead of SOCK_CLOEXEC

2016-08-25 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:00:09 +0200 "Jean Guyomarc'h" wrote: > Hi Gustavo, > > sorry for the delayed answer, but I do not follow the commits list > (thank you Michaël for letting me know). > I can confirm that your new version compiles fine. > > > There is a race, if some other thread spawns a p

[E-devel] Evas_3D contributions.

2016-08-10 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:47:51 + Oleksander Zazubrina wrote: > In my opinion if you want contribute to Evas 3D WELLCOME!!!. > > Also I think you should discuss your features with community and > announcement it in Evas 3D TODO list. I guess you mean https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/evas_3d_to

Re: [E-devel] Ignoring application developers, or just me?

2016-08-10 Thread David Seikel
I forgot to mention, if ugly hard to use web sites are an instant turn off for you, why are we using Phab? It's a horrid thing that uses made up words for it's main navigation. Very hard to use. Even harder to use it to show stuff to people that don't have an account. Right now I can't find a d

Re: [E-devel] Ignoring application developers, or just me?

2016-08-10 Thread David Seikel
OK, I get it, you have zero understanding of virtual worlds, and no desire to learn anything about them, hence you have no clue what I've been talking about. There are things you can do in virtual worlds you cannot do in the real world, that's one reason they exist. Perhaps if you just trusted me

Re: [E-devel] Ignoring application developers, or just me?

2016-08-10 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:47:51 + Oleksander Zazubrina wrote: > >The Evas_3D developers recently requested some design comments on > >this list. I was the only person that actually responded on the > >list, and as far as I can tell, my responses where ignored, not even > >any acknowledgement th

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [core/efl] master 01/01: emotion generic - vlc - make it off by default as 2 video bends is silly

2016-08-03 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:00:01 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 13:23:33 +1000 David Seikel > said: > > > On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:29:50 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > wrote: > > > > > one thing with your evas

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [core/efl] master 01/01: emotion generic - vlc - make it off by default as 2 video bends is silly

2016-08-03 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:29:50 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > one thing with your evas 3d usage... it's not real/useful to anyone > else. if you made open source tools/apps that were easily usable and > downloadable (without needing special accounts you have to pay for > e.g second

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [core/efl] master 01/01: emotion generic - vlc - make it off by default as 2 video bends is silly

2016-08-03 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:27:49 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:53:57 +1000 David Seikel > said: > > > On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:51:48 +0930 Simon Lees wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/04/2016 09:37 AM, David

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [core/efl] master 01/01: emotion generic - vlc - make it off by default as 2 video bends is silly

2016-08-03 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:51:48 +0930 Simon Lees wrote: > > > On 08/04/2016 09:37 AM, David Seikel wrote: > > On Wed, 03 Aug 2016 16:08:11 -0700 Carsten Haitzler > > wrote: > > > >> raster pushed a commit to branch master. > >> > >>

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [core/efl] master 01/01: emotion generic - vlc - make it off by default as 2 video bends is silly

2016-08-03 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 03 Aug 2016 16:08:11 -0700 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > raster pushed a commit to branch master. > > http://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/commit/?id=1f48ce5f6b588ade04d37680e318622991ac48b5 > > commit 1f48ce5f6b588ade04d37680e318622991ac48b5 > Author: Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) > D

Re: [E-devel] Merging efl,eo and ecore

2016-08-03 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:36:41 +0200 Davide Andreoli wrote: > > > ethumb i think needs a redesign from scratch and so i was > > > separating it out like we did with e_dbus after 1.7. anything i > > > think may need a replacement in the future i was separating out. > > > > Can we do more than just

Re: [E-devel] [RFC] ecore-con eoify

2016-08-02 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 00:05:10 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > Also possible additional operation would be sending a file. > > Eina_File should be a native type to any binding and we do have a > > few place where you get one, would be nice to do be able to > > transparently send one. >

Re: [E-devel] Remove currently broken single libs builds before 1.18 release?

2016-08-01 Thread David Seikel
On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 09:50:13 +0900 Jean-Philippe André wrote: > On 2 August 2016 at 09:30, Simon Lees wrote: > > > > > > > On 08/02/2016 09:05 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:38:22 -0700 Cedric BAIL > > > > > said: > > > > > >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 10:3

Re: [E-devel] [RFC] ecore-con eoify

2016-08-01 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 11:25:35 -0700 Cedric BAIL wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > wrote: > > I'm entitled to review the new Eo API for Ecore_Con.h. Find below > > my first draft proposal and after the "code" you can see my > > detailed review of curre

Re: [E-devel] [RFC] ecore-con eoify

2016-08-01 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 09:01:13 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:26 AM, David Seikel > wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 00:50:31 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I'm entit

Re: [E-devel] [RFC] ecore-con eoify

2016-07-31 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 00:50:31 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm entitled to review the new Eo API for Ecore_Con.h. Find below my > first draft proposal and after the "code" you can see my detailed > review of current code and competitors. > > Please reply in line with your p

[E-devel] Fun with locales.

2016-07-29 Thread David Seikel
Nothing important, just thought this was funny. I was installing Esperanto language packs on a server, and I get this - Generating locales... eo_US.UTF-8... LC_ADDRESS: terminology language code `eo' not defined failed No X on this server, definitely no terminology installed. lol Esperanto h

Re: [E-devel] Merging efl,eo and ecore

2016-07-29 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 23:31:42 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > > S, to reply > > > > > > > > I wasn't intending to implement the binary protocol in Lua, it > > > > can be entirely handled by C. It needs to be as fast as > > > > possible, which in general means minima

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [core/efl] master 01/01: eo-mode.el for emacs.

2016-07-29 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:13:58 +0200 Stefan Schmidt wrote: > Maybe I should read the devel list before the commit list to avoid > pointing out things others did already :) Yep, three of us have told him now. B-) -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silv

Re: [E-devel] Merging efl,eo and ecore

2016-07-29 Thread David Seikel
/me trims the old stuff we are no longer talking about. Told you we needed a new thread. B-) On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 15:35:01 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 16:17:06 +1000 David Seikel > said: > > > On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:52:45 +0900 Carste

Re: [E-devel] [EGIT] [core/efl] master 01/01: eo-mode.el for emacs.

2016-07-28 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:43:33 +0900 Jean-Philippe André wrote: > Hi Gustavo, > > On 29 July 2016 at 13:08, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > wrote: > > > barbieri pushed a commit to branch master. > > > > > > http://git.enlightenment.org/core/efl.git/commit/?id=c9f24bb5587b9c0862bed35e262f32b4e088adac

Re: [E-devel] Merging efl,eo and ecore

2016-07-28 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:52:45 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:40:05 +1000 David Seikel > said: > > > On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:40:35 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:

Re: [E-devel] Merging efl,eo and ecore

2016-07-28 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:12:06 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > I am also missing something like elzeromq. > > indeed no one here has needed/had to deal with 0mq yet (or mtqq) > so ... no one has done anything. this won't happen until someone > needs to/bothers to. right now we'

Re: [E-devel] Merging efl,eo and ecore

2016-07-28 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:40:35 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:41:14 +1000 David Seikel > said: > > > On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:22:51 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14

Re: [E-devel] Merging efl,eo and ecore

2016-07-28 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:41:47 -0700 Cedric BAIL wrote: > Well, if you are to merge eio in efl, there is no need for efl-sys I > think. I still believe eio should be in efl-sys and efl-sys exist. I > also think eina shouldn't be merged and same for eet, they have use in > standalone binary that nee

Re: [E-devel] Merging efl,eo and ecore

2016-07-28 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:46:22 +0930 Simon Lees wrote: > > > On 07/29/2016 07:25 AM, Cedric BAIL wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I came to realize that splitting this 3 components don't really make > > any more sense. If you want to build anything on top of efl, you are > > now always going to link ag

Re: [E-devel] Merging efl,eo and ecore

2016-07-28 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:22:51 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:55:46 -0700 Cedric BAIL > said: > > > Hello, > > > > I came to realize that splitting this 3 components don't really make > > any more sense. If you want to build anything on top of efl, you are

Re: [Toybox] [landley/toybox] Simple implementation of less (#39)

2016-07-27 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:39:25 -0500 Rob Landley wrote: > > When you > > scroll the screen in less/vi it can have a huge impact on the speed > > if you're on 9600 or slower. > > Does that come up much these days? Yep, you raise it as an objection to my boxes editor / less thingy. Then you sugge

Re: [E-devel] Moved all open elementary issues in phab to efl

2016-07-20 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:46:39 +0200 Stefan Schmidt wrote: > Subject says it all. The closed issues stay with elm but all the > currently open ones have been moved to efl. Please not longer use the > elementary project for new phab issues. I had noticed you doing that, and was wondering what thi

Re: [E-devel] [Evas.Canvas3d and Ephysics]

2016-07-20 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:23:37 + Oleksander Zazubrina wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > > In an attempt to bring physics to Evas.Canvas3D, we got some results, > see demo's: https://phab.enlightenment.org/M11/25/ > > But it also brings some issues, that in my opinion, should be > revealed. > >

Re: [E-devel] Work items towards 1.18

2016-07-19 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:53:07 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:21:13 +0200 Stefan Schmidt > said: > > > Hello. > > > > The alpha is out of the door and we are in the final freeze now. > > Time to look at the pending issues and get them sorted out :) > > >

Re: [Toybox] awk seen in the wild

2016-07-18 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:03:18 -0400 dmccunney wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Rob Landley wrote: > > > The lua thing fell apart trying to write mount, ifconfig, netcat, > > losetup, nsenter, ionice, chroot, swapon, setsid, insmod, taskset, > > dmesg... The language just didn't have

Re: [E-devel] [Evas.Canvas3D] Dynamical tranformation of the mesh

2016-07-18 Thread David Seikel
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:08:15 + Oleksander Zazubrina wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I create this topic to clarify necessity implementation this > feasibility in evas.canvas3d. Main plot: > - use surface primitive as proxy for elementary button > - get pick coordinate from user (mouse down) > - ca

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