Re: Transport encryption

2021-10-07 Thread Kamil Jońca
Marc Schulz-Narres writes: > Hello, > > I was wondering wether amanda traffic between client and server is > transport encrypted. > > From the mailing list archive and Documentation I assume, that it is > only encrypted if I use SSH as transport. Is that correct? > Or something like stunnel.

Transport encryption

2021-10-07 Thread Marc Schulz-Narres
Hello, I was wondering wether amanda traffic between client and server is transport encrypted. From the mailing list archive and Documentation I assume, that it is only encrypted if I use SSH as transport. Is that correct? Best regards, Marc -- Marc Schulz-Narres IT Security and

RE: Encryption information

2021-09-20 Thread David Simpson
; amanda-users@amanda.org Subject: Re: Encryption information Maybe https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.zmanda.com%2Findex.php%2FHow_To%3ASet_up_data_encryptiondata=04%7C01%7CSimpsonD4%40cardiff.ac.uk%7C1d0bb264ba7b4f168ad008d97c151be6

Re: Encryption information

2021-09-20 Thread Jens Berg
Maybe https://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/How_To:Set_up_data_encryption is what you are looking for? On 20.09.2021 10:39, David Simpson wrote: Looking for any useful information and scripts on encryption with Amanda (and not hardware encryption done by the tape library itself). thanks

Encryption information

2021-09-20 Thread David Simpson
Looking for any useful information and scripts on encryption with Amanda (and not hardware encryption done by the tape library itself). thanks - David Simpson - Senior Systems Engineer ARCCA, Redwood Building, King Edward VII Avenue, Cardiff, CF10 3NB David Simpson - peiriannydd

Re: native LTO encryption with Amanda

2020-05-20 Thread Uwe Menges
On 2020-05-19 23:56, Chris Hoogendyk wrote: > I've seen discussions of amcrypt and pgp (I confess I haven't followed > them closely), but is it possible to configure amanda to handle keys for > the native LTO drive encryption? It isn't really "configure amanda" in the

Re: native LTO encryption with Amanda

2020-05-20 Thread Diego Zuccato
Il 19/05/20 23:56, Chris Hoogendyk ha scritto: > is it possible to configure amanda to handle keys for > the native LTO drive encryption? I rarely trust some HW features like encryption, RAID and compression... They tend to render the devices way less interoperable and make recovery way

native LTO encryption with Amanda

2020-05-19 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
I've seen discussions of amcrypt and pgp (I confess I haven't followed them closely), but is it possible to configure amanda to handle keys for the native LTO drive encryption? If it makes a difference, I have three different Amanda backup servers, two with LTO7 and one with LTO6. One

Enforcing the encryption client side

2016-02-24 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Using a dumptype definition like below on the server: define dumptype client-pubkey-encrypt-comp { ... compress client encrypt client client_encrypt "/usr/local/sbin/amcrypt-ossl-asym" client_decrypt_option "-d” .. } makes public key dumping work fine - with no need for the private

Re: anyone using native tape drive encryption?

2013-04-17 Thread Sven Rudolph
Marcus Pless mpl...@servo.ucsd.edu writes: I'm researching a possible LTO6 library purchase and we would very much like to take advantage of the encryption capabilities of the tape drives. My understanding is that this requires an Encryption Key Manager server, which the library vendors

Re: anyone using native tape drive encryption?

2013-04-17 Thread Marcus Pless
On 04/17/2013 02:25:05 AM, Sven Rudolph wrote: Marcus Pless mpl...@servo.ucsd.edu writes: I'm researching a possible LTO6 library purchase and we would very much like to take advantage of the encryption capabilities of the tape drives. My understanding is that this requires an Encryption

anyone using native tape drive encryption?

2013-04-16 Thread Marcus Pless
I'm researching a possible LTO6 library purchase and we would very much like to take advantage of the encryption capabilities of the tape drives. My understanding is that this requires an Encryption Key Manager server, which the library vendors are all too happy to sell me. Is anyone actually

Re: Windows - ZWC Encryption

2012-04-03 Thread Prashant Joshi
Hi April, I am assuming that you are using a Community version of ZWC. Encryption is not supported in the Community version of ZWC. It is only supported in the Enterprise version. This is the reason why ZWCService is crashing when a request for encrypted backup is sent by the Amanda server

RE: Windows - ZWC Encryption

2012-04-03 Thread April Rosenberg
Thank you, I am. I will look at upgrading. April *From:* prashant.zma...@gmail.com [mailto:prashant.zma...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Prashant Joshi *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:00 AM *To:* April Rosenberg *Cc:* amanda-users@amanda.org *Subject:* Re: Windows - ZWC Encryption Hi April

Re: Windows - ZWC Encryption

2012-04-03 Thread Chris Nighswonger
] *On Behalf Of *Prashant Joshi *Sent:* Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:00 AM *To:* April Rosenberg *Cc:* amanda-users@amanda.org *Subject:* Re: Windows - ZWC Encryption Hi April, I am assuming that you are using a Community version of ZWC. Encryption is not supported in the Community version

Windows - ZWC Encryption

2012-04-02 Thread April Rosenberg
Good Afternoon, I am having a problem setting up encryption for my windows client. I have been trying to research this, and I found some instructions, but I keep getting “connection reset by peer”. The two folders who aren’t using encryption work, so I believe my Amanda.conf file is correct

amzfs-sendrecv and encryption

2011-09-26 Thread Leon Meßner
Hi, i'm currently planning to migrate a FreeBSD UFS storage to ZFS. This machine is currently running amanda 2.6.x server+client to create encrypted backups on a NFS mounted offsite machine. It would be nice to continue using amanda to backup the ZFS, but i require fast (so symmetric) encryption

Re: amzfs-sendrecv and encryption

2011-09-26 Thread Jean-Louis Martineau
, but i require fast (so symmetric) encryption and the offsite storage pool should not be able to access any cleartext data. Is this possible with amzfs-sendrecv or would i need to stay with amcrypt-ossl and tar etc. ? You can keep the same encryption setting when you change the backup appliaction

[Amanda-users] amanda 2.5.1 on FreeBSD encryption problems and solution

2009-04-08 Thread cpreston
Just FYI, this exact message, using the same or similar user names, has been spammed to other forums as well. It appeared on Linuxquestions.org today just tacked onto a thread where I had been helping someone work through some issues with their Amanda configuration. It was the first post on

[Amanda-users] amanda 2.5.1 on FreeBSD encryption problems and solution

2009-04-07 Thread encryptionguru
I found about this PCI based hardware products from Indra Networks which can make backup of Amanda faster and also encrypt the data. See if you find this useful. I have not used this personally, but looks like good help. +--

Re: [Amanda-users] amanda 2.5.1 on FreeBSD encryption problems and solution

2009-04-07 Thread Dustin J. Mitchell
like good help. I assume this is an encryption coprocessor, and it's worth noting that this only helps if the apps Amanda is using for encryption are compiled to support it. +-- |This was sent by sameervit...@yahoo.com via Backup

Re: [Amanda-users] amanda 2.5.1 on FreeBSD encryption problems and solution

2009-04-07 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
this personally, but looks like good help. I assume this is an encryption coprocessor, and it's worth noting that this only helps if the apps Amanda is using for encryption are compiled to support it. +-- |This was sent

RE: [Amanda-users] amanda 2.5.1 on FreeBSD encryption problems and solution

2009-04-07 Thread Matt Simmons
@amanda.org Subject: Re: [Amanda-users] amanda 2.5.1 on FreeBSD encryption problems and solution Dustin J. Mitchell wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:37 AM, encryptionguru amanda-fo...@backupcentral.com wrote: I found about this PCI based hardware products from Indra Networks which can make

Does anybody have client side encryption working on FreeBSD?

2009-02-26 Thread Oscar Ricardo Silva
This has come up in the past but so far I haven't seen an actual solution ... does anybody have client side encryption working on FreeBSD? I have it working fine with my linux clients and for now I'm using server side encryption for the freebsd clients but it puts too high a load

Re: Tape library with hardware encryption

2009-02-11 Thread Sven Rudolph
Nicki Messerschmidt amand...@alienn.net writes: does anyone know a good tape library which supports hardware encryption under linux with amanda? Any LTO-4 drive supports encryption, but you need special software to control it. An LTO FAQ (http://www.lto-technology.com/About/faq.php) says

Re: Tape library with hardware encryption

2009-02-10 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
hmm, seems to me if you are looking for a good tape library with hardware encryption, you could probably more easily afford a faster server running linux that would do the encryption. Since you need to balance the server capabilities with the tape library, you might need this anyway. I've seen

Re: Tape library with hardware encryption

2009-02-10 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 at 8:51am, Nicki Messerschmidt wrote does anyone know a good tape library which supports hardware encryption under linux with amanda? I thought about an lto-4 drive but there seems no linux support for the encryption part und gpg is too slow on this machine... ;) To second

Tape library with hardware encryption

2009-02-09 Thread Nicki Messerschmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, does anyone know a good tape library which supports hardware encryption under linux with amanda? I thought about an lto-4 drive but there seems no linux support for the encryption part und gpg is too slow on this machine... ;) Cheers Nicki

amanda 2.5.1 on FreeBSD encryption problems and solution

2008-09-13 Thread Angelo Höngens
# 24 bytes: random seed string # remaining bytes are aespipe encrypted # These definitions are only used when encrypting. # Decryption will autodetect these definitions from archive. ENCRYPTION=AES256 HASHFUNC=SHA256 ITERCOUNTK=100 WAITSECONDS=1 AMANDA_HOME=~operator GPGKEY=$AMANDA_HOME/.gnupg

RE: gpg encryption

2008-08-01 Thread Paul Crittenden
export/home/pdc/maple lev 0 FAILED [data write: Broken pipe] The amdump.1 file contains the error: gpg: amanda: skipped: public key not found gpg: [stdin]: encryption failed: public key not found However, when I run the command, as amanda, gpg --list-keys I get: /export/home/amanda

RE: gpg encryption

2008-08-01 Thread Johan Booysen
15:04 To: Johan Booysen Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org Subject: RE: gpg encryption Johan, My client and server are the same machine. My config looks the same as yours. I had this working on an old system but not now. Did you configure and compile amanda with any special settings? Paul

SUMMARY: Amanda Encryption

2008-01-10 Thread Paul Crittenden
I finally got encryption working a lot of trial and error thanks mostly to Dustin Mitchell and asking questions on the gpg discussion list. I gave up on aespipe because it just didn't seem to want to work on Solaris. I then tried to use amgpgcrypt and finally got that to work. Here are 2 links

RE: Amanda encryption

2008-01-07 Thread Paul Crittenden
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin J. Mitchell Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:03 PM To: Paul Crittenden Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org Subject: Re: Amanda encryption On Jan 4, 2008 3:39 PM, Paul Crittenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, since I have received

Re: Amanda encryption

2008-01-07 Thread Dustin J. Mitchell
-users@amanda.org Subject: Re: Amanda encryption On Jan 4, 2008 3:39 PM, Paul Crittenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, since I have received no response on my enquiry, I am assuming that either no one is using the encryption feature of amanda or I am the only one to have this issue

RE: Amanda encryption

2008-01-07 Thread Paul Crittenden
encryption I assume that the '18' in the amdump logfile is coming from this line: seedstr=`head 18 /dev/urandom | uuencode - | head -n 2 | tail -1` and that this is probably a result of non-portable shell (or, in this case, 'head') syntax. You can replace all of those 'head NN' with 'sed

Re: Amanda encryption

2008-01-07 Thread Dustin J. Mitchell
On Jan 7, 2008 3:09 PM, Paul Crittenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dustin, When I run amaespipe, by itself, I get the usage error message the first 2 times and then the third and subsequent times I get the following: # amaespipe bz2aespipe%10uu00MDGVU,T;M_I:)BBXZQM1Z$+MMVF5@*K3TMV@7AM-FI(ZSBQY

RE: Amanda encryption

2008-01-07 Thread Paul Crittenden
Here it is and yes I have corrected the head and tail entries. $ sh -x amaespipe ENCRYPTION=AES256 HASHFUNC=SHA256 ITERCOUNTK=100 WAITSECONDS=1 AMANDA_HOME=/export/home/amanda GPGKEY=/export/home/amanda/.gnupg/am_key.gpg FDNUMBER=3 PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin + export PATH + test

RE: Amanda encryption

2008-01-04 Thread Paul Crittenden
Well, since I have received no response on my enquiry, I am assuming that either no one is using the encryption feature of amanda or I am the only one to have this issue. Because of the data I am trying to backup I have been charged with making encrypted backups. I was hoping that Amanda would

RE: Amanda encryption

2008-01-04 Thread Paul Crittenden
: Amanda encryption On Jan 4, 2008 3:39 PM, Paul Crittenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, since I have received no response on my enquiry, I am assuming that either no one is using the encryption feature of amanda or I am the only one to have this issue. Because of the data I am trying

Re: Amanda encryption

2008-01-04 Thread Dustin J. Mitchell
On Jan 4, 2008 3:39 PM, Paul Crittenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, since I have received no response on my enquiry, I am assuming that either no one is using the encryption feature of amanda or I am the only one to have this issue. Because of the data I am trying to backup I have been

Re: Amanda encryption

2008-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2008, Paul Crittenden wrote: Well, since I have received no response on my enquiry, I am assuming that either no one is using the encryption feature of amanda or I am the only one to have this issue. Because of the data I am trying to backup I have been charged with making

Amanda encryption

2008-01-02 Thread Paul Crittenden
I have amanda installed and working but now I am trying to set up encryption. I am using v2.5.2p1 on a Sun server running Solaris 9. I have followed the instructions from the URL: http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/How_To:Set_up_data_encryption Everything installed fine but when I try to do I

Another question about Encryption with Amanda

2007-12-19 Thread Paul Crittenden
I have amanda installed and working but now I am trying to set up encryption. I am using v2.5.2p1 on a Sun server running Solaris 9. I have followed the instructions from the URL: http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/How_To:Set_up_data_encryption I got it all set up and the key created but now

Re: Encryption with Amanda

2007-12-18 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Paul Crittenden wrote: I have amanda installed and working but now I am trying to set up encryption. I am using v2.5.2p1 on a Sun server running Solaris 9. I have followed the instructions from the URL: http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/How_To:Set_up_data_encryption Everything installed

RE: Encryption with Amanda

2007-12-18 Thread Paul Crittenden
] On Behalf Of Chris Hoogendyk Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 9:42 AM To: Paul Crittenden Cc: amanda-users@amanda.org Subject: Re: Encryption with Amanda Paul Crittenden wrote: I have amanda installed and working but now I am trying to set up encryption. I am using v2.5.2p1 on a Sun server running

Encryption with Amanda

2007-12-17 Thread Paul Crittenden
I have amanda installed and working but now I am trying to set up encryption. I am using v2.5.2p1 on a Sun server running Solaris 9. I have followed the instructions from the URL: http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/How_To:Set_up_data_encryption Everything installed fine but when I try to do

Server encryption error?

2007-11-09 Thread Matthew Moffitt
I'm using amanda 2.5 and followed the HowTo instructions to setup encryption w/aespipe and gpg. I believe I've done everything correctly and all components seem to work together nicely but when amanda runs it fails to encrypt the data although it proceeds to back it up, only w/o encryption

Encryption, compression

2007-10-30 Thread Brian Cuttler
Amanda users, I may have missed it in the mailing list... I know that encryption came available in 2.5.0, either server side or client side, or the channel (though I think encrypting on the client provides an encrypted channel by default, true ?) Anyway, I was wondering and haven't seen... how

Re: Encryption, compression

2007-10-30 Thread Chris Hoogendyk
Brian Cuttler wrote: Amanda users, I may have missed it in the mailing list... I know that encryption came available in 2.5.0, either server side or client side, or the channel (though I think encrypting on the client provides an encrypted channel by default, true ?) Anyway, I was wondering

RE: Encryption, compression

2007-10-30 Thread donald.ritchey
In my (admittedly limited) experience with encryption and compression, the rule of thumb has always been to compress first (removing exploitable redundancy and pattern repetitions) and then encrypt. It also has the advantage that you are encrypting less volume and reducing the exploitable

RE: Encryption, compression

2007-10-30 Thread Michael Loftis
Good crypto will produce relatively random output data. Compressing prior to encrypting if storing encrypted is typically a must. --On October 30, 2007 6:06:09 PM -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my (admittedly limited) experience with encryption and compression, the rule of thumb has

Re: The question about krb5 encryption

2007-09-21 Thread Takashi Kurakata
is being done by RHEL5 now. The version of amanda is 2.5.0p2-4. I want to construct amanda with the krb5 encryption between the backup server and the backup client. When the amcheck -c command was executed, the following error messages were output. /etc/amanda/DailySet1/amanda.conf

Re: The question about krb5 encryption

2007-09-21 Thread Jean-Louis Martineau
Takashi Kurakata wrote: Thank you for answering my question. krb5keytab and krb5principal are global parameter, they are not dumptype parameter. I deleted krb5keytab and krb5principal from dumptype. When I executed amcheck in the kerberos environment, the following messages were output.

The question about ssh encryption

2007-09-20 Thread Takashi Kurakata
Hi all, I am using amanda that the bundle is being done by RHEL5 now. The version of amanda is 2.5.0p2-4. I want to construct amanda with the ssh encryption between the backup server and the backup client. When the amcheck command was executed, the following error messages were output

Re: The question about ssh encryption

2007-09-20 Thread Jean-Louis Martineau
amanda with the ssh encryption between the backup server and the backup client. When the amcheck command was executed, the following error messages were output. /etc/amanda/DailySet1/amanda.conf, line xxx: dump type parameter expected /etc/amanda/DailySet1/amanda.conf, line xxx: end

The question about krb5 encryption

2007-09-20 Thread Takashi Kurakata
Hi all, I am using amanda that the bundle is being done by RHEL5 now. The version of amanda is 2.5.0p2-4. I want to construct amanda with the krb5 encryption between the backup server and the backup client. When the amcheck -c command was executed, the following error messages were output

Re: The question about ssh encryption

2007-09-20 Thread Mario Silva
is 2.5.0p2-4. I want to construct amanda with the ssh encryption between the backup server and the backup client. When the amcheck command was executed, the following error messages were output. /etc/amanda/DailySet1/amanda.conf, line xxx: dump type parameter expected /etc/amanda

Re: The question about krb5 encryption

2007-09-20 Thread Jean-Louis Martineau
is 2.5.0p2-4. I want to construct amanda with the krb5 encryption between the backup server and the backup client. When the amcheck -c command was executed, the following error messages were output. /etc/amanda/DailySet1/amanda.conf, line xxx: dump type parameter expected /etc/amanda

Re: Anyone using Kerberos in 2.5.2 and having trouble with performance due to encryption?

2007-09-05 Thread Klas Heggemann
skip kerberos encryption on some file systems. We now run this for our amanda backups, and things go very well. Thanks for adding this option. We will keep an eye on releases and will build and test next stable version with this option included. Jean-Louis /klas

Re: Anyone using Kerberos in 2.5.2 and having trouble with performance due to encryption?

2007-08-21 Thread Klas Heggemann
20 aug 2007 kl. 19.13 skrev Jean-Louis Martineau: Klas Heggemann wrote: Hi! We are inte transition from amanda 2.4.2 to 2.5.2. We seem to have a working build and configuration. We've also switched from Solaris 9 to 10, and newer hardware. However, with 2.5.2 encryption is no longer

Re: Anyone using Kerberos in 2.5.2 and having trouble with performance due to encryption?

2007-08-21 Thread Greg Troxel
It's broken that krb5 encryption is a compile time flag rather than a dumptype option. With 2.4 and krb4, it's a dumptype option. I fixed 2.5's krb4 encryption, but I think by leaving it on always, and my fuzzy memory is that adding it on a per-dumptype basis required adding it to the protocol

Re: Anyone using Kerberos in 2.5.2 and having trouble with performance due to encryption?

2007-08-21 Thread Jean-Louis Martineau
Klas, Try amanda-2.5.3alpha-kencrypt.tar.gz from http://www.zmanda.com/community-builds.php It add support for the DLE kencrypt option with krb5. I don't know how to changer the encryption method. Jean-Louis Klas Heggemann wrote: 20 aug 2007 kl. 19.13 skrev Jean-Louis Martineau: Klas

Anyone using Kerberos in 2.5.2 and having trouble with performance due to encryption?

2007-08-20 Thread Klas Heggemann
Hi! We are inte transition from amanda 2.4.2 to 2.5.2. We seem to have a working build and configuration. We've also switched from Solaris 9 to 10, and newer hardware. However, with 2.5.2 encryption is no longer an option, when using Kerberos 5 authentication. The backup server seems

Re: Anyone using Kerberos in 2.5.2 and having trouble with performance due to encryption?

2007-08-20 Thread Klas Heggemann
Klas Heggemann wrote: Hi! We are inte transition from amanda 2.4.2 to 2.5.2. We seem to have a working build and configuration. We've also switched from Solaris 9 to 10, and newer hardware. However, with 2.5.2 encryption is no longer an option, when using Kerberos 5 authentication

Re: Anyone using Kerberos in 2.5.2 and having trouble with performance due to encryption?

2007-08-20 Thread Jean-Louis Martineau
Klas Heggemann wrote: Hi! We are inte transition from amanda 2.4.2 to 2.5.2. We seem to have a working build and configuration. We've also switched from Solaris 9 to 10, and newer hardware. However, with 2.5.2 encryption is no longer an option, when using Kerberos 5 authentication

Encryption questions

2007-07-03 Thread Dustin J. Mitchell
servers(AIX and SUN). It works perfectly. We asked to do backup encryption of one of the File Systems. Do we need to install a new package?. We use gpg encryption for other purpose. Ho to integrate it to Amanda?. Any help/suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Amanda 2.5.0 supports

Re: encryption with 2.5.0b2

2006-02-23 Thread Josef Wolf
of using multi-key which a strong point of aespipe. OK, I see. multi-key was the magic word that (after some googling) made me understand what's going on here. AFAICS, multi-keys can prevent watermark-attacks? Are there more advantages to them? And it's a symmetric encryption

Re: encryption with 2.5.0b2

2006-02-23 Thread Kevin Till
attack almost impossible given that the passphrase is not in the wrong hand. And it's a symmetric encryption and to facilitate automatic backup, the passphrase has to be stored somewhere. This is (one) of the reasons why I'd prefer a pubkey method: You don't have the passphrase lying around

Re: encryption with 2.5.0b2

2006-02-23 Thread Jon LaBadie
developers want to switch to devmapper. Please correct me and clarify if I'm wrong. devmapper seems to be merged into the mainline Linux and loop-aes has not. However, for the purpose of backup encryption, it's still a valid solution. Debian and Gentoo distribute it and it's actively maintained

Re: encryption with 2.5.0b2

2006-02-23 Thread Kevin Till
because the kernel developers want to switch to devmapper. Please correct me and clarify if I'm wrong. devmapper seems to be merged into the mainline Linux and loop-aes has not. However, for the purpose of backup encryption, it's still a valid solution. Debian and Gentoo distribute it and it's

encryption with 2.5.0b2

2006-02-22 Thread Josef Wolf
Hello! Now that 2.5.0b2 seems to run pretty stable, I'd like to try the new encryption functionality. I've read wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Encryption, but have still some questions: - What is the point to uuencode and encrypt (with gpg) random data to generate the key? Since the passphrase

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2006-01-17 Thread Greg Troxel
[horror stories about wayward tapes with client data] If I had machines with such customer data, I'd probably choose differently for that data. And I'd then be willing to spend the money to ensure availability, which is then more challenging. The above examples show that having unencrypted

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2006-01-17 Thread Ian Turner
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 06:10 am, you wrote: You're making unwarranted assumptions about other people's situations, and telling them what to do without even understanding their needs. Even if you do understand, the policy choice is theirs to make. Some people have data that doesn't have

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2006-01-17 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Ian Turner schrieb: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 06:10 am, you wrote: You're making unwarranted assumptions about other people's situations, and telling them what to do without even understanding their needs. Even if you do understand, the policy choice is theirs to make. Some people have data

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2006-01-05 Thread Josef Wolf
with data of 2 million credit users. Really, I am trying to ask you to think about keeping transport and storage encryption conceptually separate, even if you have a mechanism that does both without any bits on the server. The above examples show that having unencrypted backups is not really

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2006-01-01 Thread Josef Wolf
, ranging from rm -rf / to a disk failing, to total loss of the building due to fire/flood/etc. So you want the benefits of encryption but don't want to pay the price? Sounds strange to me. So the notion that things are encrypted but the key is on the tape means that I can no longer read my backup

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-30 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Kevin Till wrote: Another point I want to add is that while public-key encryption allows you to encrypt the data with just the public-key and store away the private-key. It does requires more computational resources, thus much slower than symmetric encryption

Re: beep! (encryption, multiplexing...)

2005-12-30 Thread Matt Hyclak
On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 04:18:09PM -0800, Kevin Till enlightened us: I agree with Paddy that ssh provides transport encryption and authentication. The only caveat is that the amanda binary needs to be installed at the same location in the server as well as in the client since server

Re: beep! (encryption, multiplexing...)

2005-12-30 Thread Paddy Sreenivasan
On 12/29/05, Todd Kover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because it's almost newyear, and I have seen The Light... (or was that just an illusion?) Some thoughts about the new proposed features, concerning: - multiplexing the data streams, error stream, index stream, over

Re: beep! (encryption, multiplexing...)

2005-12-30 Thread Todd Kover
Yes. Multiplexing the data streams/error stream/index stream over one connection is a good idea. Kevin Till has done some investigation in this area. I hope he will comment on this. The Kerberos 5 implementation in 2.5.0 actually does all this over one tcp connection

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-29 Thread Greg Troxel
admits future good things and doesn't make them harder. So E has no disadvantages here. With respect to confidentiality, no. But E is weaker than the cases that don't encrypt tapes from the backup availability perspective. No doubt here. As long as encryption is an _option_, no one

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-29 Thread Brian Cuttler
I realize I'm jumping into the middle here and not fully understanding the issues but I have questions (and that is just the sort of guy I am). I'm not meaning to make light or waste time but the following questions/observations occur. Concerning tape encryption but not addressing encryption

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Brian Cuttler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not meaning to make light or waste time but the following questions/observations occur. no worries, your comments are useful. Concerning tape encryption but not addressing encryption during transit between client and server I wonder about

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-29 Thread Brian Cuttler
. Concerning tape encryption but not addressing encryption during transit between client and server I wonder about the following ? 1) I don't fully apreciate implications having the key on the tape - you don't lose it - you complicate the restore - I suppose you could always store

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-29 Thread Greg Troxel
I also know that protecting the keyring is of paramount inportance in a security situation. All I could suggest is an unencrypted copy of the root/critical systems with updated keyring and archived and stored in a physically high security area. For that matter I think any

beep! (encryption, multiplexing...)

2005-12-29 Thread Paul Bijnens
Just because it's almost newyear, and I have seen The Light... (or was that just an illusion?) Some thoughts about the new proposed features, concerning: - multiplexing the data streams, error stream, index stream, over one TCP connection (this would make passing firewalls and NAT so much

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-29 Thread Brian Cuttler
, it is the ability to restore data from tape and make it available again that is important. If the client(s) and servers are on a secure network, perhaps in an isolated room and you have security transport do you also need to worry about encryption ? Can you have too many safeguards ? Arguably

Re: beep! (encryption, multiplexing...)

2005-12-29 Thread Greg Troxel
That makes sense, but if the protocol hasn't gained mindshare and the code is static for 2 years, it may mean accepting BXXP maintainership if amanda uses it. There is also an efficiency issue. -- Greg Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: beep! (encryption, multiplexing...)

2005-12-29 Thread Paddy Sreenivasan
On 12/29/05, Paul Bijnens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just because it's almost newyear, and I have seen The Light... (or was that just an illusion?) Some thoughts about the new proposed features, concerning: - multiplexing the data streams, error stream, index stream, over one TCP

Re: beep! (encryption, multiplexing...)

2005-12-29 Thread Todd Kover
Just because it's almost newyear, and I have seen The Light... (or was that just an illusion?) Some thoughts about the new proposed features, concerning: - multiplexing the data streams, error stream, index stream, over one TCP connection (this would make passing firewalls

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-29 Thread Kevin Till
Brian Cuttler wrote: The amanda disklist allows optional encryption, selected per DLE ? Hi Brian, the new encrypt option is added to dumptype. So yes, you can specify encryption on some DLE but not others. You can also choose to encrypt on the client *or* server side. Can you say, never

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-26 Thread Chris Lee
Jon LaBadie wrote: Josef, If I've not followed this thread accurately accept my apologies. My own personal summary is Greg suggested five combinations of encryption were easily conceivable and when amanda adds encryption each of the various combos should be accomodated. Your view seems to me

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-24 Thread Jon LaBadie
Josef, If I've not followed this thread accurately accept my apologies. My own personal summary is Greg suggested five combinations of encryption were easily conceivable and when amanda adds encryption each of the various combos should be accomodated. Your view seems to me to be the combo's

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-24 Thread Josef Wolf
On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 03:22:09AM -0500, Jon LaBadie wrote: Aside from your opinion that combos B,C, and D are redundant or inferior to E, what are your objections to allowing the amanda user to make their own flexible choice. I have no objections. It is just that - implementing redundant

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-23 Thread Josef Wolf
is weaker than the cases that don't encrypt tapes from the backup availability perspective. No doubt here. As long as encryption is an _option_, no one is forced to use it. Those who actually use encryption, should be aware of the fact that they loose data when they loose the key. IMHO

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-21 Thread Greg Troxel
restores harder. This really needs quite a lot of key management thought. But later, I see that you intend to be able to implement cleartext on tapes but with transport encryption via this. It's broken from a security viewpoint to only configure this on the server, particularly without authentication

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-20 Thread Josef Wolf
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 12:56:26PM -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: I think the essence is that while both are encryption, one is applied to transport and one to storage. Is it really _that_ different? IMHO, a public-key method encrypted on the client would be good for both, transport _and_ storage

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-20 Thread Josef Wolf
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 04:37:12PM -0800, Paddy Sreenivasan wrote: [1] You need client-side encryption if you don't want your data flowing unencrypted over the network. You can use ssh for server/client communication and server side data encryption. While this is possible, I don't like

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Josef Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 12:56:26PM -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: I think the essence is that while both are encryption, one is applied to transport and one to storage. Is it really _that_ different? IMHO, a public-key method encrypted on the client

Re: new feature: client-side, server-side encryption dumptype option

2005-12-20 Thread Josef Wolf
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 09:03:50AM -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: Josef Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 12:56:26PM -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: I think the essence is that while both are encryption, one is applied to transport and one to storage. Is it really _that_

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