Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-25 Thread whitemice
Perhaps a Google experience phone can be upgraded over Wi-Fi? This is something I will try out the next time my phone detects an upgrade. If you have an Android Dev Phone then you can upgrade yourself over USB: http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html If you are planning on pitching in

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-25 Thread Shawn Brown
Hi, Perhaps a Google experience phone can be upgraded over Wi-Fi?  This is something I will try out the next time my phone detects an upgrade. If it works, please let me know the process so I can get the info out to anyone here who might choose to go that route -- including letting DoCoMo

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-25 Thread Mark Murphy
Off ebay, I had to ship it to my mom's house [no can do to Japan]. Then she died. Will be there the week after next to pick it and her things up. Good news is I called her to ask her if she'd forward my dev phone to me. It was the last time we talked... I am sorry for your loss. -- Mark

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-25 Thread Romain Guy
You can download the OTA over WiFi, yes. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 4:38 AM, whitemicemarkbr...@zedray.co.uk wrote: Perhaps a Google experience phone can be upgraded over Wi-Fi?  This is something I will try out the next time my phone detects an upgrade. If you have an Android Dev Phone then

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-25 Thread Shawn Brown
You can download the OTA over WiFi, yes. Eh? At the DoCoMo shop set up to handle the initial Android release here is Japan I asked that very question. Sorry, if that's true then it was my carrier misinformation and not a flaw in Android. I apologize. I was told no! I was told I needed to

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-25 Thread Romain Guy
I cannot speak for what happens on an NTT DoComo network, but whenever my phone (on a T-Mobile US network) informs me of an available update, I switch it to WiFi to download the update faster. On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Shawn Brownbig.coffee.lo...@gmail.com wrote: You can download the

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-25 Thread Shawn Brown
I cannot speak for what happens on an NTT DoComo network, but whenever my phone (on a T-Mobile US network) informs me of an available update, I switch it to WiFi to download the update faster. OK, thanks for the info. I'll have friends confirm if that is possible. Shawn

[android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.

2009-07-24 Thread whitemice
Android lets you install any app you want on your *own* phone. You don’t need a developer phone unless you want root access and have the ability to install your own firmware. There are lots of phones coming from all sorts of carriers, and they all have a “Factory data reset” function if you are

Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-24 Thread Shawn Brown
Also, all “with Google” Android phones will automatically update themselves to the latest firmware. I think this needs to be worked on and is not a good function. I didn't buy a DoCoMo ht-03a (magic) because of it. I want control to be able to update via wifi and not pay packet charges. In

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-24 Thread Mark Murphy
Shawn Brown wrote: How can iphone push updates that don't cost the user but android can't? iPhone does not push updates to devices. Android does not push updates to devices. Mobile phone carriers push updates to devices. Also, mobile phone carriers set the packet fees, if there are any, for

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-24 Thread Shawn Brown
Mobile phone carriers push updates to devices. Also, mobile phone carriers set the packet fees, if there are any, for such updates. Hence, your questions need to be directed to the mobile phone carriers serving your area. Well they are using cupcake out of the box mostly with just a

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-24 Thread Mark Murphy
Shawn Brown wrote: So if cupcake does not allow users to choose when an update is installed, there is very little the carrier can do. 1. Ask your carrier. Idle speculation gets you nowhere. Only the people who would send you a bill can tell you what will be on that bill. 2. This is not an

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-24 Thread Shawn Brown
1. Ask your carrier. Idle speculation gets you nowhere. Only the people who would send you a bill can tell you what will be on that bill. Everyone who gets Android in Japan gets a form to sign consenting to packet charges for updates. They state there is no way to do it over wifi. That is

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-24 Thread Mark Murphy
Shawn Brown wrote: Everyone who gets Android in Japan gets a form to sign consenting to packet charges for updates. They state there is no way to do it over wifi. That is the first picture users in Japan will get of Android - ridiculous unless you want to pay a ton. The choice to charge

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-24 Thread Sean Hodges
Shawn, I fail to see how this is a problem with Android. As Mark has stated repeatedly, it is the carrier who pushes OTA updates for the devices, not Google or the android-beginners mailing list. The issue you describe sounds like the blame rests solely with NTT DoCoMo. They are the ones pushing

[android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone Try 2

2009-07-24 Thread wwsean08
if i recall it says it will be a few weeks, however I do not know when they ran out of stock so I couldn't give you an estimate, just keep checking back. And as for the G2 which is coming out this year, I assume there will be a dev phone version of that, however I have not read anything

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-24 Thread whitemice
Google apps are designed from the ground up to use a lot of network bandwidth. If you have an expensive tariff, consider disabling networking entirely (or use Wi-Fi) when you are not using it, as there are a lot of invisible background processes that call home a lot. I think this needs to be

Re: Automatic Updates - iphone vastly superior (Was Re: [android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.)

2009-07-24 Thread Shawn Brown
Updates over Wifi would definitely be a nice-have, but with the work-arounds available, I would say it's not amongst the highest priorities for the Android platform to face. I see. OK. I probably can't get a firmware upgrade from the carrier with the *correct security certificate* to do it

[android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.

2009-07-23 Thread Michael Leung
I have a HTC Magic (= myTouch 3G). but that is different from dev phone, dev phone is not enforced signed system image. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Dale Wiles dale.wi...@gmail.com wrote: I joined Android Market so I could order a Google developer phone. Once I got signed up the web

[android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.

2009-07-23 Thread Shawn Brown
I joined Android Market so I could order a Google developer phone. Once I got signed up the web page tells me the phone is out of stock. Have you looked at ebay? I picked one up off of there (Ion - touch screen). Do you really want a G1 anyway? Shawn

[android-beginners] Re: Availability of Developer Phone.

2009-07-23 Thread Dale Wiles
On Jul 23, 9:45 pm, Shawn Brown big.coffee.lo...@gmail.com wrote: I joined Android Market so I could order a Google developer phone. Once I got signed up the web page tells me the phone is out of stock. Have you looked at ebay? I'd like to start fresh. I picked one up off of there (Ion -