Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-18 Thread keld
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 08:24:38PM +, Francis Tyers wrote: > El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 23:18 +0100, en/na k...@keldix.com va > escriure: > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 07:30:39PM +0100, Tino Didriksen wrote: > > > To me, those examples have nothing to do with domain or style. They can be > > >

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-18 Thread Per Tunedal
Hi Keld, I just want to wish you good luck with h On Mon, Dec 17, 2012, at 23:25, k...@keldix.com wrote: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 08:07:05PM +, Francis Tyers wrote: > > El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 23:04 +0100, en/na k...@keldix.com va > > escriure: > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 06:59:29PM +0

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-18 Thread Per Tunedal
Hi, Fine, I look forward to the java-version! Yours, Per Tunedal On Mon, Dec 17, 2012, at 21:43, Jacob Nordfalk wrote: 2012/12/17 Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <[1]unham...@fsfe.org> > > What will work with the java-version? And what will not? What's the > problem? No one has re-implemented the

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Francis Tyers
El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 21:43 +0100, en/na Jacob Nordfalk va escriure: > > > 2012/12/17 Kevin Brubeck Unhammer > > > > What will work with the java-version? And what will not? > What's the > > problem? > > > No one has re-implemented

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Jacob Nordfalk
2012/12/17 Kevin Brubeck Unhammer > > > > What will work with the java-version? And what will not? What's the > > problem? > > No one has re-implemented the apertium-lex-tools package in Java yet. > But the more languages that are depended on this feature the more likely it'd get implemented dur

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Francis Tyers
El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 23:25 +0100, en/na k...@keldix.com va escriure: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 08:07:05PM +, Francis Tyers wrote: > > El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 23:04 +0100, en/na k...@keldix.com va > > escriure: > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 06:59:29PM +0100, Per Tunedal wrote: > > >

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread keld
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 08:07:05PM +, Francis Tyers wrote: > El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 23:04 +0100, en/na k...@keldix.com va > escriure: > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 06:59:29PM +0100, Per Tunedal wrote: > > > Hi Keld, > > > yes, your suggestion is very interesting. Meaning is a very important

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Francis Tyers
El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 23:18 +0100, en/na k...@keldix.com va escriure: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 07:30:39PM +0100, Tino Didriksen wrote: > > To me, those examples have nothing to do with domain or style. They can be > > solved in better general ways with a mix of CG, semantics, and lexical >

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread keld
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 07:30:39PM +0100, Tino Didriksen wrote: > To me, those examples have nothing to do with domain or style. They can be > solved in better general ways with a mix of CG, semantics, and lexical > selection. And I know this, 'cause it's what our non-Apertium closed-source > trans

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Francis Tyers
El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 23:04 +0100, en/na k...@keldix.com va escriure: > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 06:59:29PM +0100, Per Tunedal wrote: > > Hi Keld, > > yes, your suggestion is very interesting. Meaning is a very important > > aspect of a word! Have you done any work on it? > > I have only dis

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread keld
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 06:59:29PM +0100, Per Tunedal wrote: > Hi Keld, > yes, your suggestion is very interesting. Meaning is a very important > aspect of a word! Have you done any work on it? I have only discussed it on the mailing list, as I don't think I can get anywhere without some consent

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Francis Tyers
El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 19:30 +0100, en/na Tino Didriksen va escriure: > To me, those examples have nothing to do with domain or style. They > can be solved in better general ways with a mix of CG, semantics, and > lexical selection. And I know this, 'cause it's what our non-Apertium > closed-

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Per Tunedal
Hi, Fine. I'll try that. I hope to be able to do some work by the end of this week. Yours, Per Tunedal On Mon, Dec 17, 2012, at 19:26, Francis Tyers wrote: > El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 19:22 +0100, en/na Per Tunedal va escriure: > > Hi, --snip-- > > > > (using 'space' as a separator of pairs

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Tino Didriksen
To me, those examples have nothing to do with domain or style. They can be solved in better general ways with a mix of CG, semantics, and lexical selection. And I know this, 'cause it's what our non-Apertium closed-source translation engine uses. For example, the English text "The key to the p

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Francis Tyers
El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 19:22 +0100, en/na Per Tunedal va escriure: > Hi, > I've already added some info on style in the comments, according to your > prior suggestions, Francis, like this: > > > Now you suggest adding info on domain like this: > > > May I, using a similar approach for sty

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Per Tunedal
Hi, I've already added some info on style in the comments, according to your prior suggestions, Francis, like this: Now you suggest adding info on domain like this: May I, using a similar approach for style, suggest something like this: Combining the two attributes I get: I will simply omi

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Per Tunedal
Hi Keld, yes, your suggestion is very interesting. Meaning is a very important aspect of a word! Have you done any work on it? I'm beginning with domains, as this might be a very easy way to get a significant improvement. When adding a word manually (or automatically from a corpus for a specific d

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread keld
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 05:19:31PM +0100, Per Tunedal wrote: > Hi again, > see below. > Yours, > Per Tunedal > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012, at 16:00, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote: > > Per Tunedal > > writes: > > > > > Hi, > > > See below. > > > Yours, > > > Per Tunedal > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 201

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Francis Tyers
El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 17:19 +0100, en/na Per Tunedal va escriure: ... snip ... > > Hmm, I thought that some training might cover up what wasn't manually > added, somehow. > Anyhow, what if I skip the training? Can manually added domain-info be > used by Apertium? Yes, like we suggested.

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Per Tunedal
Hi again, see below. Yours, Per Tunedal On Mon, Dec 17, 2012, at 16:00, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote: > Per Tunedal > writes: > > > Hi, > > See below. > > Yours, > > Per Tunedal > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 23:07, Francis Tyers wrote: > >> El dg 16 de 12 de 2012 a les 14:21 +0100, en/na Per

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Kevin Brubeck Unhammer
Per Tunedal writes: > Hi, > See below. > Yours, > Per Tunedal > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 23:07, Francis Tyers wrote: >> El dg 16 de 12 de 2012 a les 14:21 +0100, en/na Per Tunedal va escriure: >> > Hi, >> > I consider info on primarily domain and secondly style useful for >> > disambiguation. A

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Per Tunedal
Hi, See below. Yours, Per Tunedal On Sun, Dec 16, 2012, at 23:07, Francis Tyers wrote: > El dg 16 de 12 de 2012 a les 14:21 +0100, en/na Per Tunedal va escriure: > > Hi, > > I consider info on primarily domain and secondly style useful for > > disambiguation. As a first step it would be very nice

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Per Tunedal
Ok, let it be an attribute. Just adding a comment on domain wouldn't do the trick anyhow. Any plans for an attribute? And the procedure? "autogenerate an LRX file using an XSL" is a bit enigmatic to me. Yours, Per Tunedal On Mon, Dec 17, 2012, at 10:48, Francis Tyers wrote: > El dl 17 de 12 de 201

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-17 Thread Francis Tyers
El dl 17 de 12 de 2012 a les 08:43 +0100, en/na Per Tunedal va escriure: > Hi, > Interesting, but that's only a part of a working system. What I had in > mind, was: > > a) a new tag for domains in the dictionaries. I don't think it's a good idea to have a tag. It would be better to have an attrib

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-16 Thread Francis Tyers
El dg 16 de 12 de 2012 a les 14:21 +0100, en/na Per Tunedal va escriure: > Hi, > I consider info on primarily domain and secondly style useful for > disambiguation. As a first step it would be very nice to be able to add > a domain-tag to words. Adding info on style would make it possible to > furt

[Apertium-stuff] Domain and style/genre

2012-12-16 Thread Per Tunedal
Hi, I consider info on primarily domain and secondly style useful for disambiguation. As a first step it would be very nice to be able to add a domain-tag to words. Adding info on style would make it possible to further improve translation results. The translation would improve considerably if th