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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:06 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
One item I must question... Your statement about "fully-normalized data
structure". I believe you are
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of David Sanders
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:23 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
Theo
ARS is not the only rapid development platform. For example, take a look at
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of David Sanders
Sent: 13 January 2012 15:23
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
Theo
ARS is not the only rapid development platform. For example, take a look at
this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWUb_4XqHcw&feature=p
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker
Sent: 13 January 2012 13:53
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Overlay and Applications
Theo,
> Lastly, To answer your question "can anyone think of a disadvantage with
> taking workflow from the schema an
0:31 AM
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Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
John,
Firstly, the 3/4 GL differentiation is important to appreciate in this
regard, and therefore, relevant.
The Action Request System platform *IS* a 4GL and as such it is not fair to
do direct comparisons to functionality
Theo,
> Lastly, To answer your question "can anyone think of a disadvantage with
> taking workflow from the schema and into scripts?:
(a) Or you can use one of a million tools, such as grep.
(b) Yes, they do. Any good plugin to Eclipse or whatever will have a "show
references".
(c) Yes, they d
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker
Sent: 12 January 2012 21:37
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Overlay and Applications
Guillaume
I do take onboard your points but I have to disagree: AR System provides no
version control. If you believe it does, please t
Guillaume,
Happy to compare with HP Service Manager: the product uses a script
based approach whilst also providing users with a UI.
Locking/reserving objects isn't source control: it's visual source safe,
circa 1995. VSS has since died.
I made a very simple, obvious suggestion: storing the sche
Guillaume Rheault
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:05 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
John,
It seems to me you are not familiar with the latest features of ARS or
Mid-tier. To many features and enhancements have been introduced since ARS
and mid-tier 6.3. It look
It doesn't work like that.
First, version control is independent for each element at the server. You
don't rollback to a date, you rollback some workflow or some forms to a
previous state, remaining the rest untouched.
Second, two people working separately on the same object is not desirable.
In
On Behalf Of John Baker
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Overlay and Applications
>
> Guillaume
>
> I do take onboard your points but I have to disagree: AR System provides no
> version control. If you believe it does, ple
: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:37 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Overlay and Applications
Guillaume
I do take onboard your points but I have to disagree: AR System provides no
version control. If you believe it does, please tell me how I revert a form to
its state at any point in time since
So, three developers are working on something. Developer A decides that
he needs to re-run the application as per date X. If that means
developers B and C see the same change, it's not useful version control,
particularly if there are no diffs.
Indeed, do developers B and C, who may have also bee
uary 12, 2012 12:37 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Overlay and Applications
Guillaume
I do take onboard your points but I have to disagree: AR System provides no
version control. If you believe it does, please tell me how I revert a form
to its state at any point in time since AR System was
lto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:37 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Overlay and Applications
Guillaume
I do take onboard your points but I have to disagree: AR System provides no
version control. If you believe it does, please tell me how
Guillaume
I do take onboard your points but I have to disagree: AR System provides no
version control. If you believe it does, please tell me how I revert a form to
its state at any point in time since AR System was installed, and no, taking
hourly backups of my database isn't a useful step for
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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:55 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Overlay and Applications
Jose,
I'm pleased you agree and don't.
Let me tackle the don't: I'm not suggesting there shouldn't be a user
interface/admin tool, and there is no reason why that
Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:28 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
I have to disagree... The fact that everything is stored in the database is
one of the biggest advantages to the Action Request System. I don't know
why I would
ry 12, 2012 2:55 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Overlay and Applications
Jose,
I'm pleased you agree and don't.
Let me tackle the don't: I'm not suggesting there shouldn't be a user
interface/admin tool, and there is no reason why that can't remain. However,
Disadvantage:
Less ability to complain about ARS - which is sometimes fun.
Other than that - I am stumped for a reason.
(I would list the positives - but I have created large emails before on
ARSList - and I run into the max email length problem -- I predict I would
run into that again)
-John
Jose,
I'm pleased you agree and don't.
Let me tackle the don't: I'm not suggesting there shouldn't be a user
interface/admin tool, and there is no reason why that can't remain. However,
the current approach of trying to put workflow into a database isn't working
because functionality that was
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jose Huerta
Sent: 12 January 2012 06:15
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
** I agree and don't. If you change active links and filters by some scriptin
I agree and don't. If you change active links and filters by some scripting
language, then ARS won't be ARS anymore.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 00:02, John Baker wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I do wonder when the time will come when base/overlay/etc are replaced
> with the simple concept of a script.
>
> Co
Hello,
I do wonder when the time will come when base/overlay/etc are replaced
with the simple concept of a script.
Converting existing workflow to a script is easy and much of the work
has already been done, ie converting client side workflow to Javascript
already exists in the Mid Tier.
Writin
will be removed to modify the actual deployable
application shell itself.
Doug Mueller
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:45 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
Ok…so are the OOTB ITSM Applications deployable?
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Wirasat Siddiqi
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
** That is what I am
ded to convey a role as a spokesperson,
liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc.
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Wirasat Siddiqi
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:32 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay
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David,
I don?t often challenge your word because you are so good at what you do
that you don?t often make mistakes?so if I?m wrong
Behalf Of Easter, David
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:43 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications
**
If you did it at the app level, you probably had to switch to base mode to
make the change you did. and if you make a change to a BMC object in base
mode, then yes -
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Subject: Overlay and Applications
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There are a few OOB Deployable Applications that come with AR System 7.6.04 and
we want to hide them from the object list. So I opened up the application (AR
System Sample Application for example) and made this application hidden.
But you can&#x
There are a few OOB Deployable Applications that come with AR System 7.6.04 and
we want to hide them from the object list. So I opened up the application (AR
System Sample Application for example) and made this application hidden.
But you can't overlay an application, so when we ever upgrade, t
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