[AsburyPark] Re: mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread asburycouple
You forgot to mention you too can prove you are a homophobe. Because you asked Mario about his sexual preference as an insult. Do you think being gay is someting to be ashamed of Kevin? Is that your point of view? I think you've demonstrated tonight what you're all about for anyone who didn

[AsburyPark] Re: mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > What is it with these preachers > who want to know what goes on in other people's bedrooms? > > What goes on in my bedroom is way off topic for this board. > > My bedroom activity is private. > > And it has never been a

[AsburyPark] Re: mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Some "reverend"... What a sad demonstration this exchange is of what > Kevin is really all about. > I am quite surprised and disappointed that he has resorted to that line of posting. Shameful. Yahoo! Grou

[AsburyPark] Re: mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread asburycouple
Some "reverend"... What a sad demonstration this exchange is of what Kevin is really all about. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 7:00:07 P.M.

[AsburyPark] Re: zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > The sad reality here is that the taxes in Asbury could really set you > guys back. > It will be worth every penny to keep JSRM and their likes out of AP. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the

[AsburyPark] Re: zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread asburycouple
Congratulations and thanks to Paul and everyone who stuck with this and fought the good fight. The city owes you all a debt of gratitude. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, this is truly good news! > Jim Keady sent out something tonight that might l

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
What is it with these preachers who want to know what goes on in other people's bedrooms? What goes on in my bedroom is way off topic for this board. My bedroom activity is private. And it has never been a matter of public record, police reports, nor court records. You can't say the

[AsburyPark] Re: zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > any word yet? > Actually this could be very bad news for the tax payers of Asbury Park. You recently learned that your developer hasn't met his tax burden obligation and that 8 million will be needed from another sou

[AsburyPark] Re: mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 7:00:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > what does being arrested have to do with > > > > > Lights! Cameras! Action! > What does that mean? Are you tryin

[AsburyPark] Re: mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread rogersduncan
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 7:00:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > what does being arrested have to do with > > > > > Lights! Cameras! Action! > What does that mean mario? that yo

[AsburyPark] Re: zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread Hinge
Wow, this is truly good news! Jim Keady sent out something tonight that might lead to some good news as well. Go Jim! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 10:31:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Go

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 10:43:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is wonderful news! I wish there was a way to get a transcript of the board members' statements. Professional all. But that's to be expected. However, All were eloquent in describing

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread steveguyrx
This is wonderful news! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: zoning board In a message dated 10/16/2007 10:31:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 10:31:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Got a call. Hands down against the Mission. Yippie!. Good work Paul, Jess, Frank, Carolyn and all. Yeppers! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Re: [AsburyPark] zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 10:20:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: any word yet? Asbury Park residents tonight can be very proud of its Zoning Board. Their statements prior to the actual votes were models of integrity and humanity. For the official analys

[AsburyPark] Re: zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > any word yet? > Got a call. Hands down against the Mission. Yippie!. Good work Paul, Jess, Frank, Carolyn and all. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Asbu

[AsburyPark] zoning board

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
any word yet? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID requir

[AsburyPark] City Council Meetings - Wednesday Night - Agendas

2007-10-16 Thread James Keady
Friends of Asbury Park: I am writing to inform you that the Asbury Park City Council will be meeting Wednesday, October 17, 2007. The Executive Session begins at 5pm, however this is not open to the public. The Workshop Session begins at 6pm and the Regular Meeting begins at 7pm, these are both op

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 7:00:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what does being arrested have to do with Lights! Cameras! Action! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[AsburyPark] Special Executive Session on Waterfront Redevelopment

2007-10-16 Thread James Keady
Friends of Asbury Park: This Friday the City Council will be holding a special Executive Session meeting to discuss the state of the Waterfront Redevelopment. As I understand it, the goal of this meeting is to develop a collective vision and plan of action for the Waterfront in light of the curren

[AsburyPark] Re: Religious Liberty and Limits FAQ

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
The government doesn't even have the rite to impose 501 (c) 3 status on a church. It is voluntary, and if they opt to register then they have to observe the designations rules and regs. Corporation Sole - as the catholic empire (The Vatican) operates is a main example of this. Churchs do not

[AsburyPark] Re: Trends in RLUIPA litigation.

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
Maybe you should read some of the letters home owners receive from towns who are threatening eminent domain for private gain. Again, all of congress, the 100 senators and the house of representatives votes unanimously to pass RLUIPA in July of 2000. Bill Clinton signed it into law. The bill i

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 5:22:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I would like to see mario produce other learned opposes of the First > amendment right. > > > > > > See _http://grou

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 5:22:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Mario's promotion of Marci Hamilton is foolish. > > - > ==

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---ok, they purchased the building at faair market. That doesn't give > one the right to do what they want. that depends on how one interprets the constitution. > > BEFORE you buy a building you do your DUE DILIGENCE. Th

[AsburyPark] Re: mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 5:28:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > "Are you gay?" > > > Never been arrested. > > And you? > Jesus Christ was arrested, what does being arrested have to do

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ---ok, they purchased the building at faair market. That doesn't give > one the right to do what they want. > > BEFORE you buy a building you do your DUE DILIGENCE. That's where you > look at the zoning, enviromental and

[AsburyPark] last post

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
unless it real, real meaningful. A U.S. soldier who said his Christian beliefs compelled him to love his enemies, not kill them, has been granted conscientious objector status and honorably discharged, a civil liberties group said on Tuesday. Capt. Peter Brown -- who served in Iraq for more

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > > > If God intervenes in the world how do you explain all the bad? > > > > Dan this one is easy, so easy I am surprised you missed it. > > The world is in

[AsburyPark] $5 BILLION

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
That was around 23 years ago, when I worked at a financial institution, the amount that the VATICAN had in one particular brokerage account. So next time your in church and money thing comes up, think of that. There's plenty in the till. Like dan says, all religions. The fact that some have to

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
---ok, they purchased the building at faair market. That doesn't give one the right to do what they want. BEFORE you buy a building you do your DUE DILIGENCE. That's where you look at the zoning, enviromental and all other conditions that may impact your use. All other conditions - like towns a

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 5:22:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to see mario produce other learned opposes of the First amendment right. See _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30909_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/m

Re: [AsburyPark] mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 5:28:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Are you gay?" Never been arrested. And you? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[AsburyPark] Re: New Crime Stats out

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In 2006, Asbury had about 230 LESS crimes than Neptune. > > Its a start. > > My favorite is Interlaken - they had 3 crimes - and have 6 cops. > > That dispatcher must have one dusty telephone. > I don't want to

[AsburyPark] mario needs to learn that,.....

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
makeing one post into 10 posts does not make his erroneous position on an issue right. I have only one question for mario. "Are you gay?" KB Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individua

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
boring Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 5:23:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tea or Coffee ? Something a bit stronger perhaps? Scone? I maybe a "Bierleichen" tonight. lol Cordiali saluti, Mario ** See what's new at http://www.ao

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 5:22:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mario's promotion of Marci Hamilton is foolish. - Marci Hamilton is the Paul R. Verkuil Chair of _Public Law_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Law) at the

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
boreing --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 1:35:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > As for the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission. No one donated the building > to them they bought it in a free market and pa

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If God intervenes in the world how do you explain all the bad? > Dan this one is easy, so easy I am surprised you missed it. The world is in the hands of godless man. KB Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your gro

[AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > So glad we're all so agreeable today. === Tea or Coffee ? Something a bit stronger perhaps? Scone? :-) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
Mario's promotion of Marci Hamilton is foolish. Hamilton fought the RFA that preceeded RLUIPA. When Congress drafted RLUIPA inthe summer of 2000, they had to dysect the defeated RFA, which Hamilton had a hand in defeating in court. Hence the RLUIPA was designed not to be so far sweeping, but

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 5:04:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glad we agree, it shold not become a religion debate. So glad we're all so agreeable today. One can use the word religion without getting into a debate about religion: the RLUIPA is the

[AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread justifiedright
But the "religion" aspect plays into the zoning decision, vis a vis the benefit vs burden analysis. You'll have to suffer through it today. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > I hav

[AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2007 4:19:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > It's related to AP. > > > > Nothing to do with religion. It's about Asbury Park's redevelopment, > attracting home buye

[AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have to agree with Dan the Man here, Werner. Considering there is > a zoning board decision tonight, it's AP topical and current. > == Not sure w

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 4:19:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's related to AP. Nothing to do with religion. It's about Asbury Park's redevelopment, attracting home buyers, businesses, shoppers, and successful ways to care for its indigent. Specific

[AsburyPark] Re: New Crime Stats out

2007-10-16 Thread justifiedright
Apoojo your points are all valid, and no Asbury won't fare well when we look at crimes per thousand of population, per square mile, etc. That's why I said it's a "start" ;-) However, I never in my life believed in the census numbers for AP. 17K? Yea right. Illegals don't fill out the census

[AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread justifiedright
I have to agree with Dan the Man here, Werner. Considering there is a zoning board decision tonight, it's AP topical and current. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoo

[AsburyPark] Re: New Crime Stats out

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "apoojo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > sorry , dont know what prompted this post, but will chime in and > you can answer the questions, sq. size of ap vs neptune? residents ap > vs neptune? number of police ap vs neptune? Neptune township in Monmouth Coun

[AsburyPark] Re: New Crime Stats out

2007-10-16 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In 2006, Asbury had about 230 LESS crimes than Neptune. > > Its a start. > > sorry , dont know what prompted this post, but will chime in and you can answer the questions, sq. size of ap vs neptune? residents ap

[AsburyPark] On the fears of gentrification

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
>From thegayrecluse.com On Those Who Live in a Gentrified Neighborhood and Like To Hold Forth on the Perils of Gentrification 04Oct07 Thank you so very much for your keen insight and generosity, your willingness to come all the way up here to protect us! Your words have been so reassuring; we fe

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > Tough cookies. The Catholic Church is the richest of all. Tax them > > too. The pope lives like a prince. > > Yikes! You looking for some lightning or so

[AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > HuH? What is trolling? WHo are you talking to and about here? > > > == > > Folks on t

[AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > HuH? What is trolling? WHo are you talking to and about here? > == Folks on this board are constantly baited into 'posting matches' on religion (and p

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tough cookies. The Catholic Church is the richest of all. Tax them > too. The pope lives like a prince. Yikes! You looking for some lightning or something? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go

[AsburyPark] Re: Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread justifiedright
HuH? What is trolling? WHo are you talking to and about here? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why do you fall for the trolling ? > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" wrote: > > > Tax ALL religions and their properties. Give unto to Caeser what is > > Caeser's. > > No I think there are distinctions. At least the Catholics are now

[AsburyPark] Trolling !!!

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
Why do you fall for the trolling ? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join

[AsburyPark] Re: New Crime Stats out

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In 2006, Asbury had about 230 LESS crimes than Neptune. > > Its a start. > > My favorite is Interlaken - they had 3 crimes - and have 6 cops. > > That dispatcher must have one dusty telephone. > And the cops were

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tax ALL religions and their properties. Give unto to Caeser what is > Caeser's. No I think there are distinctions. At least the Catholics are now throwing out the pedophiles, where the JSRM is taking them in. Yahoo

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
Bumping this up to bypass the religious folks --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > well, your next question should be: > > Out of those 45 closings, how many are: > a) Full time residents of AP > b) Weekend Guests > c) Investors who will use the unit(s) unti

[AsburyPark] New Crime Stats out

2007-10-16 Thread justifiedright
In 2006, Asbury had about 230 LESS crimes than Neptune. Its a start. My favorite is Interlaken - they had 3 crimes - and have 6 cops. That dispatcher must have one dusty telephone. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > GOB BLESS THE CHURCH OF THE SACRED TAX EXEMPTION! > > Good Grief. Tax ALL religions and their properties. Give unto to Caeser what is Caeser's. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:

[AsburyPark] Re: Trends in RLUIPA litigation.

2007-10-16 Thread Mario
In a message dated 10/16/2007 3:36:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And that plan actaully LOOKS pretty good for an otherwise lost section of town. In the end, it would only enhance the area. You'd think they would all get their act together in LB and move on. That ranks up

Re: [AsburyPark] Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
The Legitimate Interests of Residential Homeowners: In the United States, private property homeowners have a right to pursue zoning regulations that will ensure neighborhoods that are stable, safe for their children, and capable of quiet enjoyment. Having a tent city of itinerants n

[AsburyPark] Re: Trends in RLUIPA litigation.

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
> > _Click here: APP.COM - Lengthy litigation looms, say foes of redevelopment | > Asbury Park Press Online_ > (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20070905/NEWS/709050467) And that plan actaully LOOKS pretty good for an otherwise lost section of town. In the end, it would o

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Trends in RLUIPA litigation.

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 3:20:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: , then your running a business. The business of religion. Taxable. Income. Property. Used to be they would threaten with "Hell, fire, and damnation!" Now they threaten with "Lengthy Litigati

[AsburyPark] Re: Trends in RLUIPA litigation.

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "The emerging trend in RLUIPA litigation is characterized by a rejection of > the argument that virtually all municipal restrictions on a church's ability > to build what it wants, where it wants, are violations of RLUIPA and/or

[AsburyPark] The Constitution, RLUIPA and Disputes Regarding the Zoning of Relig

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
When a church plaintiff makes a Free Exercise challenge to a municipal ordinance or zoning decision, the plaintiff is required to prove that the ordinance or decision that limits or prevents development of a religious institution is a product of animus on the part of the municipality towar

[AsburyPark] Trends in RLUIPA litigation.

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
"The emerging trend in RLUIPA litigation is characterized by a rejection of the argument that virtually all municipal restrictions on a church's ability to build what it wants, where it wants, are violations of RLUIPA and/or the Constitution." === THE LIGHTHOUSE

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 1:35:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: remember to know all the litigational facts before you spend your hard earned money on campaigns that are motivated against basic constitutional rights. This is a boilerplate threat that those

[AsburyPark] National League of Cities and the RLUIPA

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
The National League of Cities partnered with the International Municipal Lawyers Association Cases relevant to JSRM vs. Asbury Park: STATE COURTS Religious http://nlc.org.bluenile.doceus.com/Advocating_For_Cities/Court_Cases/?TYPE=popup_

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread justifiedright
GOB BLESS THE CHURCH OF THE SACRED TAX EXEMPTION! Good Grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > and one last thing; > > The enemy is generally within not without the issue. > > Don't be motivated by fear or guilt. > > Right requires no defence,

[AsburyPark] Temporary vs. Preventive Remedies

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
About Prevention and other Progressive Solutions. "For too long policies and practices around the country related to homelessness have been tantamount to putting a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound. This independent research tells us we are very much on track with the direction of our program

[AsburyPark] Religious Liberty and Limits FAQ

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
_May the government constitutionally place conditions on religious tax exemptions? _ (http://www.fac.org/rel_liberty/publiclife/faqs.aspx?id=2122&#q2122) Yes. The Internal Revenue Service requires that 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations (a category that includes tax-exempt religious

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 1:35:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission. No one donated the building to them they bought it in a free market and paid for it. Homeless people, don't commute to shelters. When re educated they commu

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 10/16/2007 1:35:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Allow me to correct a few mis informational points here. The religious land use and institutionalised persons act of 2000 was past unanimously by the congress, both the house and the senate. Beca

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
and one last thing; The enemy is generally within not without the issue. Don't be motivated by fear or guilt. Right requires no defence, nor does it need cheerleaders! Let your conscience be your guide. Rev. Kevin Brown Lighthouse Mission Long Branch, NJ not soliciting any donations on this i

[AsburyPark] ordinances - referendums

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
>From the NJ State League of Municipalities. Some smart guy on this forum tipped me to it. September 26, 2007 Re: New Jersey Supreme Court Rules That "Administrative Ordinances" Not Exempt from Faulkner Act Referendum Dear Mayor: In a unanimous opinion today, the New Jersey Supreme Court r

[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Kevin Brown
Allow me to correct a few mis informational points here. The religious land use and institutionalised persons act of 2000 was past unanimously by the congress, both the house and the senate. Because testimony and evidence was produced to show how descriminatory municiple zoning laws operated ag

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
well, your next question should be: Out of those 45 closings, how many are: a) Full time residents of AP b) Weekend Guests c) Investors who will use the unit(s) until sold d) Pure speculators - no intention of moving in and units are vacant That gives you a number who might utilize city services/

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" wrote: > > > > > > Lets not forget that this is 5 years into redevelopment and we > > should have at least 1000 closed occupied, tax generating units by > > now. > > > >

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
Tick, tick, tick, tick History: March 04: Just some info for people who like to read about AP and might be investing in the market. Look to AP instead. Real Estate. The new condos for sale sign LB have gone from "low 450's" to "mid 500's" to "low 600's". I hope Kush starts building soon. 10/

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone still think this Plan is a success? Yes. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Tradi

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Lets not forget that this is 5 years into redevelopment and we > should have at least 1000 closed occupied, tax generating units by > now. > > Anyone still think this Plan is a success? > That's old news. It is c

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rkgsx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, dfsavgny corrected what I meant to say. > === OK, Thanks guys. So, The bottom line is that 45 units have been recorded as sold out of 238 available. 18 percent

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread rkgsx
Sorry, dfsavgny corrected what I meant to say. 27 million in sales which can now be added to the tax rolls. Not 27 million in additional tax revenue. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rkgsx" wrote: > > > At least

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
> Where did the 38 come from ? > > I think the Q was taxes from sold units. > > Werner > It's not "..SOLD OUT, but I'll see if I can you in one.." as one rep from Paramount told me at the Real Estate Triple Play in AC two decembers ago. Maybe three years ago. I said "that's great.." Just l

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where did the 38 come from ? > > I think the Q was taxes from sold units. > > Werner > Man, i am going to have to start charging you. message #30872 rgskx said They finally have records for North Beach and Wesley.

[AsburyPark] Re: I am considering moving to Asbury Park...

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then what do I say "I got more dogs at home if you want to see them?" > - er, they're in the shower.. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*>

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" > wrote: > > > > And for us mere mortals that means we can expect how much in taxes > > from the currently sold units? > > > > I am unsure, but if the formulas stayed

[AsburyPark] Re: metropolitan

2007-10-16 Thread 2fine4u
I couldn't help myself! Brings to mind the line from Jiminy Cricket, when he sang: "When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are! Brought back memories, you can't buy, upon first hearing it. I certainly hope AP, gets the system, if only for the Park. Click and sing along! http://

[AsburyPark] Re: I am considering moving to Asbury Park...

2007-10-16 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Envying me? Oh my. > I did get a rather large raise yesterday. > Oh, and Ellen Burstyn spent a bit of time petting my dog last night, and Hillary Duff told me she's beautiful. Strange indeed. > > I know the dog thing ALWAY

[AsburyPark] Re: New Condos Sales Figures

2007-10-16 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "rkgsx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At least North Beach will bring in 27MM in abated tax dollars this year. > == ?? Could you clarify that number ?? Are you saying $27 Million ? Werner Yahoo! Grou

[AsburyPark] Zoning Board Decision Tonight! Stand Up For Asbury!

2007-10-16 Thread Paul Vail
Tonight, Tuesday October 16th at 7:00 p.m., the Asbury Park Zoning Board of Adjustments will meet to decide the matter of the variances issued to the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission. Asbury Park must not become a human dumping ground for New Jersey's unwanted alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals and

[AsburyPark] Re: New businesses

2007-10-16 Thread 2fine4u
Wow! Rushton's was one of the last AP businesses to leave! The Organ and Piano place, too! Where'd they all go? Thanks for the memory, Mario. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > In a message dated 10/12/2007 1:17:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED

[AsburyPark] Re: I am considering moving to Asbury Park...

2007-10-16 Thread Hinge
Envying me? Oh my. I did get a rather large raise yesterday. Oh, and Ellen Burstyn spent a bit of time petting my dog last night, and Hillary Duff told me she's beautiful. Strange indeed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.c

[AsburyPark] Insurance

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
October 16, 2007 Home Insurers Canceling in East By PAUL VITELLO GARDEN CITY, N.Y., Oct. 15 — It is 1,200 miles from the coastline where Hurricane Katrina touched land two years ago to the neat colonial-style home here where James Gray, a retired public relations consultant, and his wife, Ann, liv

[AsburyPark] Re: I am considering moving to Asbury Park...

2007-10-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not completely true at all. I've had a corporate job for years, I just don't talk about it much > here. I commuted by train to Hoboken for nearly 2 years from Allenhurst. I started by taking > my bike on the train, and even

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