The mulch definitely makes the boardwalk area look better, but I wonder what's
going to
happen if we get hit with a huge hurricane style storm. That stuff is all gonna
float away and
make a huge mess.
... well, if it happens, worry about it then. not now.
i knew someone would come up with something bad, over a potential good thing.
(not that your reasoning isnt good. it is. but i wouldnt worry about it right
now. if it makes a mess, they wil clean it up.)
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it was a little of both. i have a 5 foot wide puddle at the base of my
driveway too. your not the only one with water problems. most areas tend to
back up when it rains. it happsn everywhere. the mulch is a waste if it goes
away, yes. the labor spent to put it ther is a waste, yes.
No offense, but that really is pretty weak reasoning. There may
NEVER be a problem with it, but to say go ahead and do something and
only worry about it if it causes a problem down the road doesn't make
much sense.
of course it was weak. its also weak to think people are now thinking of
Oh, your not joking. Why am I not surprised. Your attitude reflects the many
reasons why AP
is in such a mess right now. Don't worry about it right now. If it makes a
mess, they will clean
it up. Right. I'm sorry, but planting something that would hold up to the
elements like
planting grass
Speaking of art, there is a really cool piece of it on the side of the Stone
Pony Annex building.
It's a guy in a gas mask. Somebody really went to a bit of trouble to glue that
thing up there. I
respect that.
that is pretty neat. look for more in the future.
Charlie has stated that he's an artist.
Werner
all right? i dont follow.
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Many artists understand the value of anticipating problems before
they happen...
your right. i see things before they happen sometimes, haha. i should have
a tv show. thats the part about all this mulch business i dont get! how come
its all coming out now? after its done? if someone
totally agree with werner and hinge, their observations in my
opinon are 100% correct, it shouldnt of been done, their concerns are
legit, not negative, the attitude dont worry about it til it is to
late is how we got in this mess, anything is better than nothing
attitude is unaccepatable in
I am amazed how complacent people will be to just accept things
without question instead of wanting the best.
me too. if i had such high water concerned like some people on here do, then
i would have posted my thoughts on it, or talked to someone for a possiable
change (with good
Mulch doesn't break down in water. If it clogs the sewers, it needs
to be removed. Furthermore, regardless of who paid for it, the point
is the pattern of inneptitude on the part of the developers. If they
make fundamental mistakes, guess what ?'
agreeded. im sure if something
wow, sarcastic?? what exactly is wrong with you.
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Must have missed the announcement prior to the installation
after the MM signing everyone spoke of th things theyd be doing. cleaning
up, mulching the open spaces, renovationg the ground flooor of hojo, new store
front windows. it was posted a bunch on here, thats why im puzzled here.
It was first announced on this board after the fact; and what would
you suggest we'd have done to stop it? You think they'd listen to us?
i think i was the first to mention the mulch being installed on here, but
could be wrong. the fact that it was going to be done was mentioned weeks
not just me, pretty sure the whole board yelled at you during those days. i
posted i was done with the topic, beasue it was getting out of hand! it seemed
like every message was saying the same thing, and dragging something i said
into it. felt the need to reply. sorry about that.
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i never saw so many pure white air vents on the front face of the building in
my life. if they have to be there, thats fine, but why would you make them
white if the building is not. isnt the idea to have them blend in? if its
one, have it white. but when theres literlay about 300. dont
The sad part is that it could have been true if the Palace had not
been destroyed.
Werner
probably. i dont think it would have ever been used though. wasnt it noted
that the steel most likely wouldnt be strong enough to use again? as a
operational wheel? i use to follow the sitar
well, its not going anywhere. thats for sure.
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the opening of the boardwalk through to ocean grove last summer didnt exactly
do much for foot traffic either. and at this point, it doesnt matter if theirs
foot traffic or no foot traffic. i guess if you enjoy seeing people, thats one
thing. but the people walking around arnt going to do
yes werner, ive noticed all these things before. i dont alwasy post on them,
but i have alwasy seen them. i'm an artist, i notice everything! if it
stays emtpy for too long, maybe it will catch on fire! isnt that what happeend
to the finsihed condos that were there in 80s? they
no idea. there were posts from her, and about it. but dont remember the
outcomet though. she doesnt post on here anymore either?
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i dont think any developers or partys wanted to get invovled with the palace
becasue there were too many things going on around it. unsure of what was
going on, things changing. it may have been to big of a risk for most. no
matter what kind of history or potential it had. the plan didnt
who said it wont be open this summer?
good point. i guess there is no reason why it cant be re opened. unless
that part of the building is now not safe to walk through. not sure how the
back half and the hall were connected. is the hall effected? if not, sure it
could be opened, if
the sidewalks on the western side are almost done. all the lights are in,
benches, and trees should be coming soon. theres not going to much more bussy
work left! we will see what happens. it will soon be more obvious that
nothing is going on. there wont be any need for workes to be
MM's deal in CH is not the same as the rest of the BW. Partners is
still involved there.
yes, i know. AP will probably alwasy been invovled there. but if MM comes
in, even a little. i think things will change. youd think MM would want to be
invovled, if they are truely going to be
It already happened, people came in '05, saw it wasn't ready (and
won't be for some time), and stayed away in '06. I was there, I
witnessed the decrease in foot traffic on the boards. Don't be
surprised if there is a lack of publicity, because there is a lack of
viable business. In the name of
all your points are clear, and true. i think convention hall will be changing
in the near future though. how near? i dont know. i think MM will want to be
invovled with the building more. everything being done these last few weeks
are done with the hands of MM. not a big deal, but the
I appreciate your optimism for the work of MM and hope that you are right in
thinking that Asbury Park is on the right path because they're now in the
picture. Just curious though... aren't you a little disappointed or upset that
there really hasn't been much made of an official
I thought I clarified that - No-one DID anything other than flip a switch.
Werner
do you know that for a fact? if you do, perhaps im wrong, and sorry in
advance. becasue the last times these lights were turned on, they were missing
bulbs and not all were working right. this was a few
What about the general lack of publicity about this upcoming summer in general.
I'd like to think that some kind've PR would be appropriate about everything
that is
happening in AP.
i think its too soon to do any form of marketing. someone else said this
awhile back too, but not sure
werner, you do have a lot of smarts. your usally right. sometimes people
dont see what you see, or maybe its just that they dont want to. its obvious
that the beachfront isnt going by the rules of how asbury was built and
formed. things have changed. the flared avenues brought back the
a ha! yes, i noticed you didnt leave your views on it. interesting points,
and true. they probably chose to work on it, so that whole courtyard area will
be new looking. they said that whole area would be done with the same time
that that hojo ground floor would be done. i guess they
the new entrance will probably be larger. i think it will give the paramount a
more noticable entrance. for such a big important place, the previous set up
didnt do much for it. who knows, we will see what happens.
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was that the orignal entrace to the paramount? whoever is behind it, probably
MM, maybe they have better plans. i doubt asbury parnters did this on their
own. it seems like more and more things are being worked on now that MM is
invovled. ill check it out tomorrow.
werner, stop jumping to conclusions! were not talking about the same thing
here!
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The lights have been there for years !! Someone just flipped a switch.
im not trying to debate you here, or argue, but if someone just flipped a
switch, how come the ones on the front werent turned on too? im thinking
becasue they didnt work right, just like 5 years ago in a sad attempt
someone had to have noticed. hopefully.
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MM is serious about doing the restoration. They are hiring a plaster
restoration mason for the Paramount.
oh really? whered you hear this from? that sounds good.
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Naaa, just flip a switch on some new lights that have been there for years and
get everyone all excited.
the lights your talking about have been there for years, corrent. and their
always on. nothing new. dont jump to conclusions next time. :-)
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The lights on Convention Hall have been on in the past. They were on about 5
years ago during the summer all of them. I also remember when they were on all
the time in the summer growing up as a kid. During the boat shows back in the
80's they were on all the time.
i dont know about the
Why is it that posts about positive things happening in AP rarely
become a thread compared to things like posts about the Convention
Hall lights?
Of course, I started a thread about some successful music events etc
but nobody has anything to add. Even though AP still has many things
to deal with
werner,
the blinding modern lights you were talking about on conention hall. were
you talking about the ones on the front, under the arches? that is the work of
asbury partners though. maybe MM will replace them in time?
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Charlie, How can you in good conscience post opinions like this?
Its fine they haven't been doing anything?
Critics need to get with it?
read more carefully werner. i never said it was ok to do so, i simply stated
that is whats going on. didnt say it was ok.
yes, what you said is accurate. however, it makes more sence when you read the
whole thing at once, and not leave off follow up sentences. the point was,
asbury parnters arnt doing what they said they would. everyone knows that.
if your sitting around waiting, or wondering why their not
Another example of how the WRP WAS VIOLATED. The plan held that there
must be at least two variations of a facade along a single block. Look
at Wesley Grove. No variation/ One monolithic facade.
exactly. i think the building looks all right, westly grove. however, i
would have liked to
Garden State Film Festival and MM.
im leaning more towards MM. they probably said enough, things need to get
done! wasnt the garden state film festival in asbury last year too? they
didnt get the lights running for that year, so i pretty sure it was all MM.
maybe MM did it for the
the wont tear down the stone pony. im almost 100 percent sure of it. they
claimed they never would. all the recent radio promotions claim the pony is
here to stay, were not going anywhere. aside from that, if something should
ever happen, the most theyd do is move the building (in my mind).
I ask you this. Have you ever dealt with them? Have you ever spoken
directly with ANYONE who has? Anyone on that long list of disgruntled
former associates? Nothing they do should surprise anyone.
i know a few people that work there. what problems are you talking about?
yeah, ignore that comment. i checked, its not listed. i could have sworn
something was planned there. oh well. it lists a ground floor lounge area
with fireplace. thats probably what i read before, but it was worded
differenlty.
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ha!! no way. even asbury parnters are not that stupid. thats one thing
good they have going for them, and they are aware of it im sure.
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I agree that piecemeal is not ideal...however regarding HoJo's aren't
they now at the mercy of the timelines imposed by the agreement? My
sense is Partners wasted so much time that now MM has no choice...
i think anything asbury parnters had agreeded to do, and hasn, MM will do.
just
no idea what the pigs mean. i also see a lot of cheese blocks around the
downtown. it could be any number of things.
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I am hoping for the best, but I think MM is in over its head. I don't
like what I am hearing. I still want to know - where is the plan?
Someone has to have a plan to see if it can be approved. I don;t think
they have one. Why?
what have you heard? i havnt heard anything, just what MM
yes werner! i know the buildnig is brick. i take back some of my past
comments. i didnt mean to angle it towards painting was the way to go. i just
noted the coloring of the brick. i didnt realize the outside was arleady
cleaned? ive been watched it for years. i guess i missed the tiem
That's because you don't have sources, I do.
k.. anything you feel like sharing with the group?
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I heard MM isn't officially signed on yet; just unofficially for
media reports. Still testing the waters?
i wouldnt doubt it if they were. who knows.
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werner, ha! yes, i agree. not painting brick is good. i like brick. unless
the brick is behond repair, and painting is the only option. some bricks look
good painted too. but agreeed, if your trying to restore something, you
wouldnt want to paint it. thats like restoring convetion hall
on a different brick topic. the pavillions on the boardwalk.
i understand the theory behind painting the pavillions, to show
change.
Wrong Chuck, to save money.
im talking about the first paint job, soon, or a year after asbury parnters
took over. wasnt that to show that they were here,
Charlie, without repeating your post I think you are missing the point
about care of brick. Its not about looks. There are technical
reasons why painting brick is a bad idea.
I'll catch up on this later.
no, i understand the care of brick. i get you werner! i think maybe i was
just
asburyparkpedaler,
whats your question?
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Maybe I used my supreme negative powers of telepathy to incite these
people; just to prove you wrong? For those of you not following the
thread from last night, Chuck can't understand the focus on the
negative in Asbury Park with so many positive things going on here. Now
I don't want to be
the hojo renovation is moving pretty fast. they started hanging drywall today.
no idea whats going on though. they appeared to have put up a wall blocking
off the boardwalk entrance. yet they installed new doors there. it leands
into a small room, with no where to go! maybe they didnt cut
asburyparkpedaler,
i tryed emialing you, your email doesnt work. it bounced back. if you
can get it through to me, feel free to.
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who knows. read what you want, deleate what you dont. it seems to work fine.
the online world is not perfect. the board was better years ago though, when
things didnt go so far off topic. i think it has to do with certain people
that now post on the list. if you dont answer them... or
i thought everyone was satisfyed with the way north beach was looking? or will
look? no? i dont think it looks cheap in anyway. its also real stucco, not
the stucco over foam board. you can tell the real from the fake, up close or
far away. im glad they went with the real.
the colors are the same of the images that have been online for months, even
before it was built? i didnt hear anyone talking about colors back then. it
was obvious what the colors would be.
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I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground floor
weeks ago are still broken.
i agree, something is clearly causing the delay. it seems like most of the
work is being focused on the outside though. there for sure is work being done
on the western side. new
So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take over
construction? Or do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again?
is that a joke? im guessing it is. clearly, the allegded buyer would
continute the project. just like the c8 buyers started off with plans to
if its true that a new owner of operation is coming into the picture. it would
be good to start over, haha. at lest the ocean grove side. but we all know
that will never happen. no developer in their right mind would tear down
something brand new like that. and i doubt theyd edit it any.
I think that the tiny amount of work being done is just a smokescreen. Busy
work being
done to give the impression that something is going on
interesting idea, but im not sure thats the case. new developer taking over,
or the same one, i think the work is going as fast as it can. the
Dan reports that there is a rumor they are looking to bail. Lets not forget
how worng his sources are.
oh ok, thats the answer to the question i just asked in my last post. i
think its clear their waiting on a certain company to do the drywall and
interior work. EVERYTHING else
Hey, i'm just calling it like I see it. I've lived in AP in direct view of
Weasley Grove for a year
now. That project should've been completed by now. Every morning when I walk my
dog
near there, I see maybe a handful of workers, mostly doing nothing. For a
project like that
to take more
I absolutely have a place to say that. Prior to moving to AP, I lived
in Edgewater, which is up north on the Hudson, directly across from
NYC. I saw many many projects, most bigger, completed in much less
time. I can't help but observe Weasley Grove. It's right outside my
window.
so your
Why doesn't someone stop in the sales center and ask or call.
a ha! good idea. istead of everyone spectulating whats going on, what isnt.
i'll stop in tomororw, if i get a chance. i think its too late to call now.
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do you have a job hingy? you need a new hobby...this board is
consuming you...
its comments like that, that make me wonder about the world. what the hell
happened. get a life.
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welcome to the board jim. the board has its ups and downs. its mainly used to
show different peoples views and ideas regarding different topics. its been up
since 99' people come and go. just post your comments, yull be sure to get
feed back.
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It's
also, there are a lot of people on here. they come and go. if you go back a
year ago, different people were typing over the majority of the ones that are
typing now. and go back to 99, well, they dont exist anymore! dont know where
they went.
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When I first saw the lights, they definitely looked out of place to me, but I
now try to
envision them in whatever version the new AP is going to look like. The only
thing I find
odd about the lights is there are so many of them. Too many, in my opinion
exactly. things now look out of
Finally, a member with vision ! Thanks for the comments.
Werner
i like the style of the benches. they are modern, i like modern. however,
me too, i dont know if they fit in with asbury park. once things really get
going though, i have a feeling the will fit in more. right now, they
Do you how many seagulls are going to perch on those damned things and shat
all over my car!!!
flat tops have nothing to do with it. every lamp post on the jersey shore
has a seagull sitting on it at some point over the summer.
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And just what do you base this conclusion on ?
Werner
not sure. no hard facts, just thikings. i think its safe to say when you
look around the waterfront the general conclusion is nothing. sure, the
emptiness is nice, and their are some good buildings scattered around. but the
This is exactly what I mean - It's not about what I like or
what 'you like''.
It should be about Asbury Park. I cant believe that this is such a
difficult concept to grasp.:
i dont think anyone missunderstands your thinking. a lot of people talked
about it few weeks ago on here. so
just debating the facts with my other posts. trying not to lean one way or
another. i think the benches are new and different. if they had backs on them
id be happier though. all the lights in front of wesely grove seem to fade
away into the building when you drive down the street.
when the new casino was built, did anyone question why it didnt resemble the
old one? or at least build off from it? the new, current one, looked entirely
different. were there no historians back then? or didnt anyone care. is
today's historic attributions based more on nostalgics?
just debating the facts with my other posts. trying not to lean one
way or another. i think the benches are new and different. if they had
backs on them id be happier though. all the lights in front of wesely
grove seem to fade away into the building when you drive down the
street.
bjc223 - good points.
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so with the hotel now sold, what happens with the closed street just north of
it? you said the hotel wants to buy additional property for the hotel. did
they mention where? im guessing a parking garage of some sort?
charlie
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I'd like to know if those sold signs are actually valid, or something
placed
there to give the perception of a sale.
i know many developers sometimes over exagerate their progress, hoping to
attract new buyers, but what reason do you have to feel that wesley really
hasnt sold what they
Today I again checked the MM website for an announcement of the deal.
Still nothing. I would think that there would be something since there
was last year well before a deal was even sketched out. Hopefully my
suspicions will be misplaced.
i dont remeber the exact words of one of the MM
werner - nice job with the cam corder! i was going to walk over and say hi,
but things had already Started. didnt want to get up and walk through the
middle asile. i havnt talked to you for any lengh of time since a little
after 02 i think, the i dream a city area.
i think what MM has proposed to do for summer 07 is good. the change with the
land on the boardwalk and the hojo building will be drastic changes. i think
when the real presentation is held, a lot more things will be made clear.
werner spoke of some unclear things when it comes to which part
With the market like it is would you continue to build more units? I
would slow it up abit. It's time for the BW to start getting
together. It starts tonight. I hear Madison Marquettt is giving a
presentation tonight. If true that means the deal has been signed.
i think something may
You've got my vote... This is ridiculous and I agree it's unlikely
the deal has been signed or they'd be making a huge deal of it
or maybe they know the deal wont be something the general public may like? or
certain groups? better to keep it low?
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not available. Sounds like the city wants a low turnout for MM. Putting
them in the work session where the public can't say anything. Don't
seem right to me. Well, we'll see if the deal's been signed. Smart
money says no.
with all the fencing going up, it would make good timing (and sence) if
something were infact signed.
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The rendering provided by MM is not reassuring, the boarwalk is gone, concrete
plazas fill
the beachfront, ..
werner, is the rendering online? do you have a link? i think ive seen it
before, but not sure if its the same one your talking about? the oen that
shows a Cuvey
It's a RENDERING, a concept, that means NOTHING. Dan said they want
changes already. They try to make a spectacual Rendering to catch
peoples eyes. I bet whatever you have seen won't look what they
really want.
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thanks werner. yeah, i see all sorts of things in the file section. i havnt
been too up to date on checking that stuff out. its intersting to look back at
the groups first comments, back in 1999. i was 17. i see a few of the same
names, i think, but not many. probably becasue when the
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