Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-22 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/22/05, Bill de hÓra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As we have no processing model for this, my answer to Paul's question is > that feed level extensions do not inherit/cascade/scope over entry level > ones, irrespective of whether they're foreign or not, and that the best > way to think about

RE: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-22 Thread Bob Wyman
James M Snell wrote: > Second note to self: After thinking about this a bit more, I would > also need a way of specifying a null license (e.g. the lack of a license). > For instance, what if an entry that does not contain a license is > aggregated into a feed that has a license. The original > l

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-22 Thread Tim Bray
On Aug 21, 2005, at 1:42 PM, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Paul Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-21 21:55]: Ah, I had missed that. This leads to a question for the mailing list. Does an informative extension that appears at the feed level (as compared to in entries) indicate: d) completely unk

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-22 Thread Peter Robinson
Bob Wyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Hoffman asked: > > Does an informative extension that appears at the feed level > > (as compared to in entries) indicate: > > a) this information pertains to each entry > > b) this information pertains to the feed itself > > c) this information pertains

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-22 Thread Henry Story
On 22 Aug 2005, at 18:29, James M Snell wrote: Bill de hÓra wrote: As we have no processing model for this, my answer to Paul's question is that feed level extensions do not inherit/cascade/scope over entry level ones, irrespective of whether they're foreign or not, and that the best

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-22 Thread James M Snell
Bill de hÓra wrote: As we have no processing model for this, my answer to Paul's question is that feed level extensions do not inherit/cascade/scope over entry level ones, irrespective of whether they're foreign or not, and that the best way to think about atom:author is as a frozen accident.

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-22 Thread Bill de hÓra
James M Snell wrote: > > Bob Wyman wrote: > >> Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: >> >> >>> That issue is inheritance. >>> >> >> Let me give an example of problematic inheritance... >> Some have suggested that there be a "License" that you can associate >> with Atom feeds and entries. Howev

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread 'A. Pagaltzis'
* James M Snell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-22 05:30]: > Second note to self: After thinking about this a bit more, I > would also need a way of specifying a null license (e.g. the > lack of a license). For instance, what if an entry that does > not contain a license is aggregated into a feed tha

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread James M Snell
A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Robin Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-22 05:05]: On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, A. Pagaltzis wrote: That issue is inheritance. atom:author is the only precedent for it in Atom. If "it" in "only precedent for it" refers to inhertance, can you explain the sense i

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread James M Snell
Bob Wyman wrote: Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: That issue is inheritance. Let me give an example of problematic inheritance... Some have suggested that there be a "License" that you can associate with Atom feeds and entries. However, scoping becomes very important in this

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Robin Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-22 05:05]: > On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > > That issue is inheritance. > > > > atom:author is the only precedent for it in Atom. > > If "it" in "only precedent for it" refers to inhertance, can > you explain the sense in which "atom:author

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread James M Snell
A. Pagaltzis wrote: And with that, getting back to your question, the answer seems pretty clear: it depends on whether the extension element is more like atom:contributor, ie defines a property which an entry may or may not have, or more like atom:author, ie defines a property that every entry

RE: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread Bob Wyman
Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > That issue is inheritance. Let me give an example of problematic inheritance... Some have suggested that there be a "License" that you can associate with Atom feeds and entries. However, scoping becomes very important in this case because of some peculi

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread Eric Scheid
On 22/8/05 10:28 AM, "Bob Wyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What should an aggregate feed generator like PubSub do when it finds > an entry in a feed that contains unscoped extensions as children of the > feed? It's an interesting problem. A pity now that the idea of segregating entry-default

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Paul Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-22 01:00]: > The crux of the question is: what happens when an extension > that does not specify the scope appears at the feed level? Let me step back to look at the larger issue for a moment. That issue is inheritance. atom:author is the only precede

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread Eric Scheid
On 22/8/05 9:22 AM, "Robert Sayre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The crux of the question is: what happens when an extension that does >> not specify the scope appears at the feed level? > > I'm not sure why this question is interesting. What sort of > application would need to know? a search e

RE: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread Bob Wyman
Paul Hoffman wrote: > The crux of the question is: what happens when an extension that > does not specify the scope appears at the feed level? Robert Sayre asked: > I'm not sure why this question is interesting. What sort of > application would need to know? I ask: What should an aggregat

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/21/05, Paul Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 3:35 PM -0700 8/21/05, James M Snell wrote: > >IMHO, it depends entirely on how the extension is defined. The > >various extensions I have put together (e.g. comments, expires, > >etc), the metadata can be placed on the feed/source level

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 3:35 PM -0700 8/21/05, James M Snell wrote: IMHO, it depends entirely on how the extension is defined. The various extensions I have put together (e.g. comments, expires, etc), the metadata can be placed on the feed/source level but is only relevant on the entry level (same model as ). On

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread James M Snell
Paul Hoffman wrote: At 7:24 PM +0100 8/21/05, Peter Robinson wrote: I do something similar, intending it to mean "the location of the items described by this feed" (when there is a single location). Ah, I had missed that. This leads to a question for the mailing list. Does an informative

RE: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 5:10 PM -0400 8/21/05, Bob Wyman wrote: I believe the correct answer is "e": e) Unless otherwise specified, this information pertains to the feed only. Er, right. Change that list to: a) this information pertains to each entry (unless otherwise specified) b) this information pertains to

RE: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread Bob Wyman
Paul Hoffman asked: > Does an informative extension that appears at the feed level > (as compared to in entries) indicate: > a) this information pertains to each entry > b) this information pertains to the feed itself > c) this information pertains to each entry and to the feed itself > d) complet

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Paul Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-21 21:55]: > Ah, I had missed that. This leads to a question for the mailing > list. Does an informative extension that appears at the feed > level (as compared to in entries) indicate: > > a) this information pertains to each entry > > b) this informa

Re: Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread David Powell
Sunday, August 21, 2005, 8:46:54 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > At 7:24 PM +0100 8/21/05, Peter Robinson wrote: >>I do something similar, intending it to mean "the location of the items >>described by this feed" (when there is a single location). > Ah, I had missed that. This leads to a question for

Extensions at the feed level (Was: Re: geolocation in atom:author?)

2005-08-21 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 7:24 PM +0100 8/21/05, Peter Robinson wrote: I do something similar, intending it to mean "the location of the items described by this feed" (when there is a single location). Ah, I had missed that. This leads to a question for the mailing list. Does an informative extension that appears a