I have a sb3 going into Naim 202/250.2 combo into BW805s. I find it too
laid back with soundstage shrunken, a soft treble and a muddled bass.
This is compared to my usual source of Naim cdx2/xps2. I bought a Shek
d1 about a fortnight ago and initially I thought the sound had
tightened up a
well I posted this earlier when I still had my SB3.
I was sitting in front of my hifi and after some hours of critical
listening I started to think, that the sound was getting more and more
MP3-ish - digital sounding. But all my files are WAV files.
So I disconnected the SB3 from the mains and
I'm not sure a £100 dac is ever going to compare with a Naim CDX2/XPS.
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KeithL;173995 Wrote:
I have a sb3 going into Naim 202/250.2 combo into BW805s. I find it too
laid back with soundstage shrunken, a soft treble and a muddled bass.
This is compared to my usual source of Naim cdx2/xps2. I bought a Shek
d1 about a fortnight ago and initially I thought the sound
P Floding;174029 Wrote:
Streaming as such is not part of any problem. On the contrary, it solves
problems. SPDIF is severely flawed, in contrast. Please note that the
wall wart supplied with the SB3 seems to pollute many hifi systems with
HF noise.
I'm using a regulated linear power supply.
Pat Farrell;173950 Wrote:
The price of any product is the sum of BOM cost, engineering cost to
design, marketing cost, returns, support, marketing, etc. Most
audiophile manufacturers have tiny volume, typically only a million
dollars a year or so of revenue, which is not a lot of units when
Am I using the best quality rips? I use Itunes to rip uncompressed aiff
with error correction tuned on. It amazes me that an average album
takes about 2 minutes to rip. Can my resulting rip be of the highest
quality when at times during the rip the data is being read at more
than 30 times real
KeithL;174048 Wrote:
Am I using the best quality rips? I use Itunes to rip uncompressed aiff
with error correction tuned on. It amazes me that an average album
takes about 2 minutes to rip. Can my resulting rip be of the highest
quality when at times during the rip the data is being read at
KeithL;174048 Wrote:
Am I using the best quality rips? I use Itunes to rip uncompressed aiff
with error correction tuned on. It amazes me that an average album
takes about 2 minutes to rip. Can my resulting rip be of the highest
quality when at times during the rip the data is being read at
KeithL;174048 Wrote:
Am I using the best quality rips? I use Itunes to rip uncompressed aiff
with error correction tuned on. It amazes me that an average album
takes about 2 minutes to rip. Can my resulting rip be of the highest
quality when at times during the rip the data is being read at
Max for Macs is for Tiger and above. I'm using Panther.
Keith
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Does anyone know which DAC is incorporated in the Pioneer Elite
VSX-26TX? All I can find on the web is that it is a Burr Brown 96k /
24-bit D/A Converter. It does not indicate which Burr Brown model,
and it is possible that they even used different ones for different
manufacturing runs.
I'm
P Floding;174053 Wrote:
I guess you might simply be used to superior systems. I don't know much
about Naim, but aren't the ones you use pretty expensive?
And, BTW, what type of interconnect does the Naim setup use? Same
question for SB3/Transporter.
Naim is expensive new, much more
I would try a different DAC, for example the Benchmark DAC1 is popular.
With one of those connected to your SB the sound will be uncolored
(almost completely free of distortion). If you like it, great, if not
my guess is your CDP is introducing some distortion and you've become
used to it, in
KeithL;174068 Wrote:
Naim is expensive new, much more affordable second hand. The Transporter
I tried at £1300 is not cheap. I'm sure I could find a £1300 CD Player
that would better the performance of the TP.
I'm using a good quality Chord Chysalis interconnect, which although
not
opaqueice;174076 Wrote:
I would try a different DAC, for example the Benchmark DAC1 is popular.
With one of those connected to your SB the sound will be uncolored
(almost completely free of distortion). If you like it, great, if not
my guess is your CDP is introducing some distortion and
truckfighters;174004 Wrote:
So when I go back to play my WAV-files, I sometimes still hear some
digital noise when actually no sound is playing?
What do you mean by digital noise? Is there white noise when playback
is completely stopped?
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P Floding;174085 Wrote:
I do find it surprising that you can accept that different DACs sound
different, but say that amplification is a solved problem... Surely
DACs measure very much the same?
Both are solved problems in the sense that it's relatively easy to
build them in such a way that
Well, whether it's inferior or superior, only your ears can answer.
It's very subjective and if someone were to suggest it's better or
worse you would naturally hear the difference due to the placebo
effect.
The VSX-26TX is an Elite model I believe - it's safe to say its DAC is
no slouch. Then
KeithL;174068 Wrote:
Naim is expensive new, much more affordable second hand. The Transporter
I tried at £1300 is not cheap. I'm sure I could find a £1300 CD Player
that would better the performance of the TP.
I'm using a good quality Chord Chysalis interconnect, which although
not
Thanks for the replies. Time is at a premium, so unless someone tells
me that the SB's DAC should be much better (emphasis on should), I'm
not going to bother experimenting. I suspect that my sound quality
will be limited by the room and WAF, anyway.
Incidentally, I called Pioneer, and they
tomjtx;174103 Wrote:
Read stereophile's review, they seem to think it's one of the best
playback/DACs at any price.
Really? I didn't get that impression. No wonder I failed English lit.
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jeffmeh;174050 Wrote:
I am not an Itunes user, but does error correction mean that it will
do some type of interpolation/extrapolation when it finds an error?
Conversely, EAC will slow down and reread many times until it either
gets a good read or gives up. In the latter case, it tells you
jeffmeh;174064 Wrote:
P.S. I run the SB3 into the VSX-26TX through SPDIF, and do not enable
any DSP in the receiver. I do not feel compelled to try running the
SB3's DAC through analog, but if someone can tell me definitively that
the SB3's DAC is considered superior, I would be willing
jmourik;174047 Wrote:
How much lower grade is the AKM4395 that's used in the Stello DA100?
That unit sells for $700...
Without experience with either, I'd say not much. According to the data
sheets '96 does DSD and has a slightly higher sample rate. They both
have differential output,
CardinalFang;174127 Wrote:
Error correction means just that, the error is corrected and the data is
as it should be. Error concealment happens far less frequently and
requires interpolation between good samples and this is when EAC tries
to re-read data.
My biggest problems with ripped
sean, thanks for the quick response. well let me explain:
I played optical digital content. switch of TP. leave it like that the
night. on the next day, I switch on my amp and the TP and then there is
sometimes strange stuff playing from transporter, but the digital input
is off (my PC is off).
totoro;174138 Wrote:
I deal with that by setting the attenuation very high in my inguz
configuration (16db!). That's what I had to do to make sure that
clipping is very rare in my playback. Recent ecm records seem to be
terrible this way.
Same here, although I found I had to set it to
Eric Carroll;174131 Wrote:
The Pioneer takes any analog input and resamples it into the digital
domain for DSP processing. So, if you go SB3 - analog - VSX you are
D/A converting on the SB3 then A/D and D/A on the VSX. This adds an
extra step of analog/digital conversion which is not
totoro;174138 Wrote:
I deal with that by setting the attenuation very high in my inguz
configuration (16db!). That's what I had to do to make sure that
clipping is very rare in my playback. Recent ecm records seem to be
terrible this way.
Hmm. Never knew you could set it so.
The volume
Skunk;174147 Wrote:
Hmm. Never knew you could set it so.
The volume on the remote seems like a better choice, or else you're
unnecessarily limiting SNR on albums that don't need attenuation.
I try to have my analog volume set so that the digital volume ranges
between 85 (clipped/loud
I run my SB into a Pioneer Elite VSX47. There is a different sound
depending on whether I use the analog out or run digital into the AVR.
Neither is clearly superior IMO and I go back and forth in terms of
preference.
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wdrazek
I don't have the experience with high end audio stuff that others may
have here, but we've relatively recently purchased a pair of EPOS M12.2
speakers, which we're using with a Rotel RA-06 amp, and we're very
pleased with their performance over a variety of types of music. I've
been told What
Mark Lanctot;174149 Wrote:
Note direct/bypass modes are supposed to bypass the DSP, eliminating the
extra conversion.
Mark,
My VSX-49Txi has a DIRECT mode. The manual simply indicates it takes
the shortest path. Nowhere does it say it bypasses the DAC but I
assume this is what it is doing.
OFFICERTOM;173842 Wrote:
Can the transporter be controlled with the Beo 4?
No - the rest of the world use RC5 remote codes with a carrier
frequency of 36khz. BO went their own way with 455khz. So you can't
use a learning remote on a BO and can't use their remote to control
anything else
Eric Carroll;174166 Wrote:
My VSX-49Txi has a DIRECT mode. The manual simply indicates it takes
the shortest path. Nowhere does it say it bypasses the DAC but I
assume this is what it is doing.
Yeah, I've seen some of the manufacturers be kind of cagey with that
feature. It could be that
Mark Lanctot;174179 Wrote:
There are certain high-end pre/pros that digitize all the time: Lexicon
and (I think) Anthem.
Well the Anthem Statement D2 is my next target upgrade :-) So I just
happen to have the manual right here.
The D2 has a nicely named Anlg-Dir mode, which states A/D
Eric Carroll;174183 Wrote:
Well the Anthem Statement D2 is my next target upgrade :-) So I just
happen to have the manual right here.
The D2 has a nicely named Anlg-Dir mode, which states A/D conversion
and Digital Signal Processing are bypassed and the preamp plays the
traditional role
Skunk;173930 Wrote:
Black and Decker doesn't make high end drills!
Dewalt does!
Dewalt is owned by BD!!!
And yet... Logitech is tossing the Slim Devices brand. See my other
post on this subject.
JW
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Mark Lanctot;173901 Wrote:
Really? They can hardly meet demand. It's far exceeded their
expectations.
Also you can bet there's a lot more margin in the Transporter than the
Squeezebox. 'Course you don't get the volume...
Lots of companies have lost lots of money catering to the classes
well I also downloaded the high-end 24 bit master files from
linnrecords.com but at first they wouldn't play on transporter (set WMA
to built-in WMA). will try the above (to flac or wav) later.
but - is there no tool which truly converts the 24 bit material into a
proper readable format for
FatElvis2000;174192 Wrote:
If I were an investor in Slim, I'd be asking serious questions about how
development resources are being allocated.
If they would/will, I'm sure the will screw up the company (division
of Mousitech) big time! ;-)
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P Floding
Eric Carroll;173940 Wrote:
The price of many of the components, such as many of the DACs are
available on the Internet. Check out some of the volume pricing - the
cost of DACs is not as high as you seem to think.
I think there is lots of margin in the Tp. And I bought it anyway.
I never
truckfighters;174191 Wrote:
well I also downloaded the high-end 24 bit master files from
linnrecords.com but at first they wouldn't play on transporter (set WMA
to built-in WMA). will try the above (to flac or wav) later.
What OS are you using? WMA lossless is transcoded (as opposed to WMA
hi and thanks for the quick response!
slimserver runs on windows 2000.
tried the microsoft tool wmal2pcm.exe to convert the WMA to wav and it
worked (for the file).
but when playing the 24 bit 88 kHz (?) wav-file through transporter the
only thing I heard was terrible 24 bit pink noise!
on
24 bit 88 kHz? It shouldn't show that...
To transcode to WAV, set the checkbox then DE-SELECT the WMA - WMA
(built-in) box.
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It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble
response. - Jon Heal
I recently purchased some WMA 9.1, 24-bit, 88.2 kHz lossless studio
master tracks from LinnRecords.com that I wish to transcode to Flac
24-bit, 44.1 kHz. This is needed since my music players (Squeezebox 3)
cant decode WMAs.
thats what I read in another thread and I got my files from the same
FatElvis2000;174198 Wrote:
I suggest you read any book on Brand Equity by David Aaker, If you have
not done so.. If you have, well...
Percetions (and targeting) are everything.
Actually, I have. Just to be clear the If you have, well... was the
windup to the whole rest of the post. I
Thanks!
So what more do we need on the wiki?
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Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4
SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805
SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2
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totoro;174138 Wrote:
I deal with that by setting the attenuation very high in my inguz
configuration (16db!). That's what I had to do to make sure that
clipping is very rare in my playback. Recent ecm records seem to be
terrible this way.
I'm not using Inguz, but still get clipping or
arghh.
today I installed slimserver 6.5.1 (previously 6.5.0).
never played any WMA Lossless before.
downloaded 24bit 96 kHz WMA lossless files from linnrecords.com today.
they play in VLC player (video lan client, open source, windows). they
also play in VLC when I transcode them into 24bit
Hi,
Any suggestions on a valve amp particularly suited to an
SB3/Transporter?
I know this is probably anathema to the audiophile community but I'd
like something really cool looking.
Blue glowing tubes on a polished platform, that kind of thing...
Any suggestions would be welcomed...
Thanks
MikeWynneDub wrote:
Any suggestions on a valve amp particularly suited to an
SB3/Transporter?
Blue glowing tubes on a polished platform, that kind of thing...
While it isn't magically better suited to a Transporter than to other
souces, what you describe sure sounds like a McIntosh
P Floding;174084 Wrote:
I wasn't clear. I'm not after the pedigree of the interconnect, but
the type. Did you use DIN with the Naim, and RCAs with the
SB/Transporter, or same for all?
The Naim kit uses din and the sb3 and TP use rca phonos. I've messed
with interconnects before and I don't
KeithL;174301 Wrote:
The Naim kit uses din and the sb3 and TP use rca phonos. I've messed
with interconnects before and I don't think the type of connectors
makes that much difference, despite what Naim say. Modern Naim kit have
both din and rca.
Keith
Perhaps you are right, but I would
Thanks for the article, great info. Are there any considerations that
need to be given to the power amps rated input impedance vs the
Transporters?
for instance I am considering an amp. has an input impedance of 10 ohms
(so says the spec. sheet) but it doesn't give the input sensitivity...
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I use it with Klipsch Heresy speakers, so I have enough efficiency to
get to pretty loud levels. I like it because it is small (looks cool
having a system with just the Squeezebox and small amplifier) and it
sounds AWESOME - smooth, mellow and rich. I have attached a picture.
The Chinese are running away with audiophile quality tube amp designs
these days.
Not exactly simpatico with an SB3, and not a pure tube amp (the tubes
are only used for the preamp stage) I use a Pathos Cinema X amplifier.
Outrageously expensive but gorgeous beyond belief.
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dpac996;173821 Wrote:
I built, tested, and listened to the SB3 with a very high quality linear
power supply based on LT1084, adjusted to exactly 5 volts. Xfrmr was
split bobbin, capable of RMs current far exceeding worst case from SB3.
Total umbilical wire length was about 2 feet. The rest
Speaking of Chinese-made, I love my Onix SP3. Link:
http://www.av123.com/products_category_pack.php?section=processorsbrand=33
Right now, it's $1200 packaged together with some excellent monitor
speakers. The speakers are slightly forward sounding, could be too
intense if you like a really
cliveb;172274 Wrote:
Comments and corrections gratefully received.
Cliveb,
In your page you reference the calculator spreadsheet, but I think that
was a forum posting attachment, wasn't it? Its not in linked in the wiki
page. If I can find the forum posting I will edit in the link to it,
Limping_Pylon;174321 Wrote:
for instance I am considering an amp. has an input impedance of 10 ohms
(so says the spec. sheet) but it doesn't give the input sensitivity...
Surely they meant 10K ohms?
I've yet to see anyone mention this California based attenuator
manufacturer:
I've been avoiding this thread. Why? I don't know. Well, I finally read
it today and it looked kind of familiar.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=162233
Great minds think alike.
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Skunk;174363 Wrote:
They're pretty expensive if you have them make a box and put a knob on
it though.
I added it to the list but wow, they took my breath away on the cost of
the ganged pot in a box.
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Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4
SB3-Rotel
Eric Carroll;174365 Wrote:
I added it to the list but wow, they took my breath away on the cost of
the ganged pot in a box. And reading their web site I still haven't
figured out how much attenuation you can get... its gotta be there
somewhere.
In their defense, it's all open source:
Skunk;174369 Wrote:
In their defense, it's all open source:
http://www.goldpt.com/diy.html
Ya I found their attenuation list here:
http://www.goldpt.com/info.html
Nice looking stepped pot box, stunning price.
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Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4
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