Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-10-29 Thread AndyC_772
Despite coming from an engineering background and being firmly of the opinion that it couldn't possibly matter, my opinion on the audible impact of clock jitter was changed forever when I sold my early, expensive DVD player and replaced it with a cheap recorder. I figured that 'bits is bits',

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Multichannel audio on Transporter?

2007-10-29 Thread servies
Mark Lanctot;238537 Wrote: The problem is, strictly speaking, it is illegal under the DMCA to extract audio from DVD-A or SACD onto your PC. Much more so than CD, and there are significant technological barriers in place to prevent this (particularly for SACD). CD extraction fits into the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods

2007-10-29 Thread Robin Bowes
opaqueice wrote: Robin Bowes;238491 Wrote: I sometimes wish those of you who are so quick to jump down peoples' throats would take a chill pill and consider that maybe, just maybe there may be some truth in these reports. No one doubts the reports have some truth to them - in fact I'm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply

2007-10-29 Thread zanash
I expect that the power cable is used on kit that has an earth. Also the cable may shunt mains bournor emi/rfi goop back to the earth at the wall. I'd wait a few hours for the psu to charge the caps rather than make a snap decision does the new psu sound different to the supplied one ? I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods

2007-10-29 Thread zanash
to think that all digital sources sound the same is at least odd if not flying in the face of reason and in my case, experience. try this get one of those cheap multi dvd players in the uk I've seen them for as little as £29.99 [thats not going to break the bank] then feed a decent dac [not

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods

2007-10-29 Thread servies
zanash;238647 Wrote: to think that all digital sources sound the same is at least odd if not flying in the face of reason and in my case, experience. try this get one of those cheap multi dvd players in the uk I've seen them for as little as £29.99 [thats not going to break the bank] then

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Multichannel audio on Transporter?

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Lanctot
Mark Lanctot;238537 Wrote: The problem is, strictly speaking, it is illegal under the DMCA to extract audio from DVD-A or SACD onto your PC. Much more so than CD, and there are significant technological barriers in place to prevent this (particularly for SACD). CD extraction fits into the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods

2007-10-29 Thread harmonic
servies;238661 Wrote: Well, if the cheap DVD player is reading 1110110110011 iso 1110100110011 (which it should have) because of some checks it's not doing because of it's cheap hardware and the top notch cdp is reading it correctly because it DOES do those checks, then you can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply

2007-10-29 Thread Eric Seaberg
AndyC_772;238662 Wrote: A few hours for the PSU to charge the caps...?! It takes a few cycles at most - a matter of milliseconds. Eric: as you have a multimeter, try checking to see what the output ripple looks like: put it on AC volts and measure across the 5V output, it should read

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods

2007-10-29 Thread Robin Bowes
servies wrote: zanash;238647 Wrote: to think that all digital sources sound the same is at least odd if not flying in the face of reason and in my case, experience. try this get one of those cheap multi dvd players in the uk I've seen them for as little as £29.99 [thats not going to break

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Welborne Power Supply for SB3

2007-10-29 Thread donwalker
If its from Welborne it is JUNK. I have one. Its in the storage room. Don't waste anymore time on it. And yes you are lucky you got anything at all from Welborne. He sent you a kit that was missing parts! No surprise. I bought a preamp kit. I spent over 2 months and over 30 emails and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Multichannel audio on Transporter?

2007-10-29 Thread servies
Mark Lanctot;238668 Wrote: Hmm...if you did bother to read this thread you'd see I'm Canadian. Now I know we're seen internationally as the USA's retarded little brother but we are still a separate country and we do have separate laws. Well, I don't: I see the USA as the retarded loudmouth

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods

2007-10-29 Thread servies
Robin Bowes;238680 Wrote: I don't really understand what you're saying here, but it sounds like the tired, old bits is bits argument. It's not as simple as that, as has been discussed many times here on this forum, and on countless other forums/lists. R. Yeah yeah I know, quantum

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply

2007-10-29 Thread iPhone
This has me asking, How can the unit be shielded, especially the umbilical cord, if the unit does not have an earth ground?” Also why bother with the IEC upgrade if the design does not even use a ground? -- iPhone

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-10-29 Thread Listener
AndyC_772;238637 Wrote: On the technical side: typical accuracy for a quartz crystal is around +/- 50 parts per million, with higher precision available at exponentially increasing cost. So, if the source and DAC were mismatched by that amount, the DAC would have to interpolate or drop

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] upgrade advice for nad 320bee and BW currently

2007-10-29 Thread morrillt
hmm equilizer? perhaps i should get an equilizer? turn up the bass a bit? any advice on choosing one? Also i have a seperate set of jbl s310 speakers, that are floorstanders, that i paid about 300bux for 5 years ago, the mids and highs are not so good, but the lows are nice how could i hook

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] how to hook 2 sets od speakers up to my system?

2007-10-29 Thread morrillt
Ok i have 2 sets of speakers 1 set of bookshelf BW 602 ($500) and one set of JBL s310 floorstanding huge speakers. JBL speakers have good lows but crappy highs / mids. Bw has amazing mid / highs IMO. How can i combine it so that the lows go to the JBL'S? I currently have a NAD 320BEE amp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply

2007-10-29 Thread Eric Seaberg
I have two SB3s. One at home in my master bedroom (white version, 4-months old) driving Genelec powered monitors, and one at my studio (black version, 12-months old) SPDIF out to a Benchmark DAC1. I brought the Welborne to work and plugged it into the black SB3. BIG POP and the smell of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality

2007-10-29 Thread mlihl
Hi Pat, Many thanks for your help! Regards, Mike -- mlihl mlihl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3376 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39113

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply

2007-10-29 Thread mvalera
Ok, so I talked to support. The repair will be $90. If you want that option give them a call, as you need to get an RMA. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply

2007-10-29 Thread mvalera
To clarify Sean, blowing up your Squeezebox by modding in any way is not covered under the warranty. This includes using a power supply that's not from us. You can contact support, but you will be responsible for any repair chargers, and my guess is you'll need a whole new unit anyway. You might

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-10-29 Thread ar-t
AndyC_772;238566 Wrote: I think you're over-analysing the behaviour of the TOSLINK connection, and making comparisons that don't really apply. Of course if you're considering long-distance high speed communications, then pulse spreading due to optical line width and multiple propagation

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply

2007-10-29 Thread seanadams
Eric Seaberg;238698 Wrote: So Slim, where can I send my blown up SB3? Send it to Welborne. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-10-29 Thread ar-t
Phil Leigh;238540 Wrote: Welcome to the forum - and thanks for the gratuituous comment. I was under the impression that being informed was the converse of being uninformed and thus represents a binary state. Therefore, being grossly uninformed makes no sense, since one cannot be less

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] upgrade advice for nad 320bee and BW currently

2007-10-29 Thread honestguv
morrillt;238194 Wrote: Hello all, i am trying to figure out where to put money into my system: Currently NAD 320Bee Integrated AMP ($400) BW 602 8 ohm bookshelf speakers. ($500) Squeezebox v3 i would like to get more bass out of my speakers, also my speakers are able to give

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Power Supply

2007-10-29 Thread Eric Seaberg
I already sent in a support request and didn't expect it to be a warranty repair. I'm really surprised this happened as it was good on the white SB. -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods

2007-10-29 Thread Robin Bowes
servies wrote: Robin Bowes;238680 Wrote: I don't really understand what you're saying here, but it sounds like the tired, old bits is bits argument. It's not as simple as that, as has been discussed many times here on this forum, and on countless other forums/lists. R. Yeah yeah I know,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-10-29 Thread Phil Leigh
Many (all?) studios would now use a house clock to lock everything. However, this wasn't always the case. The myth I was referring to was the assertion that optical always sounds worse than coax. IMHO that is simply not true. I have found either no discernible difference or a very slight

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Bolder Mods

2007-10-29 Thread Phil Leigh
I've got one of those £30 dvd players (for holiday travel!) - I'll try it tomorrow in a shootout with the SB3... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-10-29 Thread AndyC_772
I'd be interested to know if you can quantify the random and data-dependent jitter that's inherent in a TOSLINK connection. The receiver I'm using, for example, specifies a pulse width distortion of up to +/- 20ns, and a random jitter that's typically 1ns but with a max of another 20ns. At

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission

2007-10-29 Thread Pat Farrell
elvinjr wrote: Was pondering the other day: with all the focus on quality of bitrates interconnections/cables, what is the story with the quality/integrity of the information the SB wirelessly collects from the hard drive? Does any information get lost in transmission? Just curious. This

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(

2007-10-29 Thread Mr_Sukebe
From experience, I'd suggest you look first at your Arcam unit. Arcam tend to be nice, polite and IMO a little yawnable. -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Behringer 2496DEQ, Bel Canto DAC2, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent cables, Stillpoints

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(

2007-10-29 Thread amcluesent
Yes, I am having to admit my system of TP-Arcam Solo-BW CM2 has started(?) to sound bland, grey, flat, unmusical, muddy and plain boring. Mozart or Hendrix, it sounds like a bedside FM radio in a cheap motel (all with FLAC rips, BTW) Any ideas where to start looking for what's up? I'm thinking

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission

2007-10-29 Thread elvinjr
Interesting. Thanks Pat. -- elvinjr elvinjr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13766 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39763

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(

2007-10-29 Thread slimkid
I'm afraid we have very serious case of upgradeitis here. Nurse, hand me a check book, please. K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input

2007-10-29 Thread mofuv
I have an external world clock connected to the world clock input of the transporter. I cannot find any information how to set the transporter as slave when using the external world clock a master. Where can I find this information? Any ideas? -- mofuv

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input

2007-10-29 Thread Eric Seaberg
Can I ask why you want to do this? The only reason would be if you're taking a digital output of the TP and feeding it into another digital source that is ALSO locked to the same word clock. You can select the word clock source by using the WEB Browser within the Transporter settings. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission

2007-10-29 Thread elvinjr
Thank you Andy. -- elvinjr elvinjr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13766 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39763 ___

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission

2007-10-29 Thread elvinjr
Hello Audiophiles: First, thanks to all for a great education in wireless home audio. Got a SB a couple of months ago and very happy with it. Was pondering the other day: with all the focus on quality of bitrates interconnections/cables, what is the story with the quality/integrity of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lost in Transmission

2007-10-29 Thread AndyC_772
Hello and welcome :) The link between SlimServer and your SB is digital, and uses TCP/IP ensure that any dropped or corrupt packets are retransmitted. So the answer to your question is no, nothing gets lost in transmission. That's the beauty of digital. If your PC's CPU is too busy or your

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(

2007-10-29 Thread iPhone
Order the Yellow Paper/Red Pen Kit along with the Rianbow foil from Peter Belt http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/index.html . Take the yellow paper and write good speakers good audio with the Red Pen and place on the right corner of each speaker. Then write Transporter OK and place on left corner and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(

2007-10-29 Thread the_twin
Pull all the cables out and then plug them back in. You might be amazed how much this helps. Check the speakers aren't wobbling about. -- the_twin the_twin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5324

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input

2007-10-29 Thread mofuv
I want to use a DAC with a world clock output as master. What do you mean with WEB Browser within the transporter settings? Under settings in the transporter there is no WEB browser topic and connecting the computer via slimserver to the transporter does not give a menue with settings, only

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(

2007-10-29 Thread bhaagensen
amcluesent;238753 Wrote: started(?) Difficult one. What about starting with checking all cable connections and making sure the speaker drive screws are tight. My experience is that after some years the screws needs re-tightening, and it is important that they are. Bjørn -- bhaagensen

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] upgrade advice for nad 320bee and BW currently

2007-10-29 Thread cgull
sub may be your best bet but if I were looking at floor standing speaks then I would probably get the Rockets from av123 ... http://www.av123.com/products_category_brand.php?section=speakersbrand=3 -- cgull cgull SB3 SP7 Onix Ref-1: http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img6721et3.jpg

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(

2007-10-29 Thread adamslim
Two things: boring amp and boring speakers. Sorry mate. Buy my old EAR 859 here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200167971167ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITih=010 To you at a discount. If you don't like it (impossible), you can just sell it again for no loss. OK here you go:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input

2007-10-29 Thread radish
In slimserver go to Player Settings/Audio, and scroll down to Clock Source. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?

2007-10-29 Thread pablolie
AndyC_772;238637 Wrote: On the technical side: typical accuracy for a quartz crystal is around +/- 50 parts per million, with higher precision available at exponentially increasing cost. So, if the source and DAC were mismatched by that amount, the DAC would have to interpolate or drop

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II

2007-10-29 Thread ted_b
Look what showed up in my music room today. !!! :) My Modwright Transporter is S/N #003. I'll post impressions later on, once it settles in, but sounds incredible already (1 hr old). +---+ |Filename: ModwrightTransporter1.jpg

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(

2007-10-29 Thread opaqueice
Those aren't bad speakers, but if you're going to upgrade anything it should be them. But before buying anything, try moving them a few feet out from the wall. It can make an absolutely amazing difference. -- opaqueice

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Amps

2007-10-29 Thread DCtoDaylight
iPhone;238409 Wrote: a Class D amplifier merely converts an input waveform into a continuously pulse-width modulated (square wave) analog signal. The classic Class D amp design uses a continuously variable pulse width modulation, but I have seen some newer implementations which use discreet

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II

2007-10-29 Thread ted_b
Just to give you an idea of the extensive nature of the Modwright TP before and after +---+ |Filename: modtpinside.JPG | |Download:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II

2007-10-29 Thread opaqueice
There is something alluring about a device with a couple of wireless-G antennae sticking up behind some warm, glowing, 1950's vacuum tubes... So how does it sound? -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input

2007-10-29 Thread seanadams
Eric Seaberg;238845 Wrote: So you have a D-to-A converter than has a wordclock output? Haven't heard of that one. That's the whole point of it! You are thinking of a very different application of the concept. You may want to listen to the analog output of the Transporter on its own

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input

2007-10-29 Thread Eric Seaberg
mofuv;238794 Wrote: I want to use a DAC with a world clock output as master. So you have a D-to-A converter than has a wordclock output? Haven't heard of that one. You may want to listen to the analog output of the Transporter on its own before going through all of the hassle. I did some

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My TP system sounds so lifeless :(

2007-10-29 Thread pablolie
I will assume you made your choices based on listening preferences, and furthermore I would think it is safe to assume the Transporter is not the weakest link in the chain. First off I'd work on developing a good relationship with an audiophile dealer. The right one will allow you to try out

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input

2007-10-29 Thread Eric Seaberg
We do have house sync (video black) as well as house wordclock... two different things and used for two different purposes. Our rooms were designed by some of the folks that worked at Lucas' Skywalker Ranch as well as myself. We've been doing this a long time. ;-) We have 6 Benchmark DAC1s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter MODS - Part II

2007-10-29 Thread SuperQ
ted_b;238834 Wrote: Just to give you an idea of the extensive nature of the Modwright TP before and after It's a good thing Sean left all that extra room in the box! ;-) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: