Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
stop-spinning;614014 Wrote: > Hello again chaps - interesting read between all of you about Linn, Naim > etc. I've never owned any of these brands yet, anyway moving on... > > Perhaps again somewhat relevant to the title of my thread - I've been > prancing around the Internet reading things with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-27 Thread mlsstl
Stop-spinning, look at the words that article uses: "huge leap", "staggering", "elevated to a degree that proved stupefying", "sonic splendor", "superior sonic realm" Using my best Mr. Roger's voice, can one say "bullsh*t"? What words are left that describe the difference between a clock r

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-02-27 Thread darrenyeats
I've heard the B&W CM9 now. What are my impressions? I am still a fan of actives, and this is a passive speaker. However, they sound very good. Although I would say they are more laid-back than is strictly neutral the actual balance through the frequencies seems quite smooth and without offensive

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-27 Thread darrenyeats
Phil Leigh;614263 Wrote: > > You seem to favour medium size floorstanders. All I would say is you > should at least see if you can try some smaller units in the room > because you might find the bass response of the larger speakers a bit > overwhelming. > Phil I agree. The speakers mentioned co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?

2011-02-27 Thread darfy
Has anyone demod the Rega DAC v the Naim DAC? I have a Supernait/HC2 and run a Touch into via coax. I have had my touch a month and I am very happy with it and I have also come to the conclusion it is far better using an external server rather than the USB. Through my set up the Touch is slighly

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
tank121;614257 Wrote: > Carpet I hope. > > Phil what about the 2 sets of speakers i've mentioned Carpet good - get the thickest underlay you can afford. The resonant frequency of the Dynaco's is 35Hz which is very close to the first mode of your room... do you have the port plugs for the refle

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-27 Thread tank121
Carpet I hope. Phil what about the 2 sets of speakers i've mentioned -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=853

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread mlsstl
Phil Leigh;614176 Wrote: > There isn't a domestic speaker that can even accurately reproduce the > visceral roar of a Marshall stack or a Hammond organ, never mind > something as complex as a Trumpet... I rather think that was my original point. Recorded music and its subsequent playback in a ho

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Pat Farrell
On 02/27/2011 12:45 PM, Phil Leigh wrote: > To a degree, yes... but 80% of my collection comprises amplified > instruments and close mic'd vocals recorded in studios that describes well all of the pop, rock, hiphop, county, etc. in the world. And at least 80 percent of my collection as well. But a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
pfarrell;614196 Wrote: > On 02/27/2011 11:05 AM, Daverz wrote: > >> Phase is how you know where the lion/tiger is, or the crack of a > >> broken piece of grass when a warrior of the other tribe is sneaking > up on > >> you. > > > > That's a cute just-so story, but it doesn't mean that we are very

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Pat Farrell
On 02/27/2011 11:58 AM, Mnyb wrote: > The brain also has a beautiful time gating function ? or what to call > it. I would call it signal processing. > Even in the most undampened room or cave you can hear direction if > someone talks to you even if the reflected sound has almost the same > power

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Mnyb
The brain also has a beautiful time gating function ? or what to call it. Even in the most undampened room or cave you can hear direction if someone talks to you even if the reflected sound has almost the same power, (it can ofcourse partly also be a learned response to identify the most "correc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Pat Farrell
On 02/27/2011 11:05 AM, Daverz wrote: >> Phase is how you know where the lion/tiger is, or the crack of a >> broken piece of grass when a warrior of the other tribe is sneaking up on >> you. > > That's a cute just-so story, but it doesn't mean that we are very > sensitive to lack of time coherence

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Kal Rubinson
pfarrell;614064 Wrote: > This leads to my belief, not backed up by science, that as humans, we > needed to detect the direction of the lion/cheetah before it got too > close to us, and that made proper phase detection critical to avoid > being lunch. > > Yet the usual measurements of hi-fi focus

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Daverz
pfarrell;614185 Wrote: > On 02/27/2011 10:31 AM, Daverz wrote:[color=blue] > You can find studies that show that smoking tobacco is not bad for > you. > I don't see the relevance to phase audibility studies. > > Phase is how you know where the lion/tiger is, or the crack of a > broken > piece

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Daverz
magiccarpetride;613824 Wrote: > > One thing that caught my attention is how pretty much everyone kept > insisting that speaker positioning and room treatment (even EQ-ing) are > the most important things in achieving amazing sound quality. By far the biggest improvements in the sound of my syst

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Pat Farrell
On 02/27/2011 10:31 AM, Daverz wrote: > I've read about studies that show we're not that sensitive to phase. I > could try to find a reference. You can find studies that show that smoking tobacco is not bad for you. Phase is how you know where the lion/tiger is, or the crack of a broken piece o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
tank121;614182 Wrote: > About 10 feet away from the speakers and central OK - sounds good. Something (anything) on the long walls will stop flutter echo. What is going on the floor? As for those £500 panels... one of those would cover the cost of a mic+software for room correction via Inguz...

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-27 Thread tank121
About 10 feet away from the speakers and central -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85319 _

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Daverz
pfarrell;614064 Wrote: > > Yet the usual measurements of hi-fi focuses instead on frequency. > http://www.pfarrell.com/ I've read about studies that show we're not that sensitive to phase. I could try to find a reference. Most speakers are not designed for time coherence (with a few current

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
darrenyeats;614171 Wrote: > I see it that way too. I think loudspeaker sound dispersion matters but > not in the sense of mimicking instruments exactly. > Darren I agree. There isn't a domestic speaker that can even accurately reproduce the visceral roar of a Marshall stack or a Hammond organ, n

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread darrenyeats
Phil Leigh;614133 Wrote: > Well, you are only ever going to get the latter :-) I see it that way too. I think loudspeaker dispersion matters but not in the sense of mimicking instruments exactly. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
firedog;614162 Wrote: > Michael > There are some other brands with calibration files, not outrageous > amounts of money (but more than the behringer) > > Audiolense sells a kit with mic, calibration file and mic amp on their > site for 160 Euro, if my memory is good. > > LinearX has great mics

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
michael123;614154 Wrote: > Aha.. so they calibrate automatically every mic they make. > nice. > > > > > In the high-frequency range, I think, right? Yes - above 1kHz the response is a bit "ragged" -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't wha

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-27 Thread firedog
Michael There are some other brands with calibration files, not outrageous amounts of money (but more than the behringer) Audiolense sells a kit with mic, calibration file and mic amp on their site for 160 Euro, if my memory is good. LinearX has great mics with very good individual calibration f

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-27 Thread michael123
Phil Leigh;614150 Wrote: > The cal file is $50 to download (I Think - I emailed them... waiting for > a response... when the mic arrives I have to send them the serial > number). Aha.. so they calibrate automatically every mic they make. nice. Phil Leigh;614150 Wrote: > The Behringer mics ha

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
tank121;614137 Wrote: > It's not converted yet so should be able to. > > What about the speakers and room arragement ? To the left or right ? where would the listening position be on your diagram? I think you would be OK with smallish speakers at least 18 inches from the side walls. You are bet

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
michael123;614141 Wrote: > Was that TACT mike you were using before? > Do you think that's critical for pink noise measurements? > I do not know, but I bought Behringer assuming that's good enough.. > Interesting to see how bad it is (i.e. the Behringer I mean) > > I just saw that's 450$+tax on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-27 Thread michael123
Phil Leigh;614135 Wrote: > I've just ordered an Earthworks M23 mic (£360) Was that TACT mike you were using before? Do you think that's critical for pink noise measurements? I do not know, but I bought Behringer assuming that's good enough.. Interesting to see how bad it is (i.e. the Behringer I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-27 Thread tank121
It's not converted yet so should be able to. What about the speakers and room arragement ? To the left or right ? -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
I've just ordered an Earthworks M23 mic (£360), Upgrade to Audiolense 4.0 will follow asap. Sounding really good at the moment. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
Can you get some heavy double-lined curtains over that window? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread Phil Leigh
darrenyeats;614116 Wrote: > I think the real question is, do you want the sound of a trumpet in your > room (in which case the comparative dispersion of the loudspeaker and > the trumpet are important) or the sound of the trumpet in the recording > venue (in which case, we can use the phase infor

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attacking the problem at the wrong end

2011-02-27 Thread darrenyeats
I think the real question is, do you want the sound of a trumpet in your room (in which case the comparative dispersion of the loudspeaker and the trumpet are important) or the sound of the trumpet in the recording venue (in this case, we can use the phase information encoded in two channels to at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Garage Conversion - Sound advice ?

2011-02-27 Thread tank121
Builder has confirmed the room complete will be 15x8 ft. Please see pic, I apologise for the lack of artist quality! The attached pic is hopefully going to be my layout, the extending dining room table will be position width ways close to the window when not in use (no dinner guests). When in u