Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread bluegaspode
I totally agree. But as you can see there are other people like mcr who are very happy living in their world of unproven facts. But who are we to judge, that it's wrong to spend money on linear PSUs without having tested and scientifically proven that it makes a difference, if it makes this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread Mnyb
So I'm not the only one seeing parallels between audiophilia and alternative medicine . The current fad is for Antroposofes or thier ilk to try to make parents not inoculate their kids against measles etc , practically conspiring to spread pandemics . Tried some ear candles lately ? The lack

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread drewe181
magiccarpetride;637340 Wrote: If I believe that listening to vinyl gives me more pleasure than listening to the same track in a digital format, than for me it is true. It's a fact. It's also a FACT that I prefer Pink Lady apples to the others though this does not lead to the assumption that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread drewe181
InTheBath;636700 Wrote: If I do a blind test of two cables, they might sound the same to me. If I am allowed to see the cables and know how much they cost, one may sound better. I may enjoy my music more with that cable in place. Knowing which cables are being used is not a blind test

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread brodeur
I think you have a valid point. I find open A vs B test most meaningful however some times when I hear “differences” where I suspect placebo I Might try to test without knowing . Typical always open, my new DAC vs my CD. Typical “suspect one”, better sound from my CDs digital out vs my Touch in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] software based volume control?

2011-06-21 Thread darrenyeats
earwaxer9;637355 Wrote: Just finished another attempt at using the internal jumpers on the Transporter. Confirmed. - I tried the jumpers some time ago and wasnt impressed. I switched the jumpers in the Transporter to -30db and cranked the volume on my amp to max. The volume was low, even at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread drewe181
brodeur;637377 Wrote: I think you have a valid point. I find open A vs B test most meaningful however some times when I hear “differences” where I suspect placebo I Might try to test without knowing . Typical always open, my new DAC vs my CD. Typical “suspect one”, better sound from my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] software based volume control?

2011-06-21 Thread Mnyb
atenuation should be done so that 100% volume corresponds to how loud you ever want to listen. before i got my present speakers , I used inline atenuators before the poweramps except one of them had selectable selectivity ( wich i think all power amps should have ). This was a much better

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] software based volume control?

2011-06-21 Thread earwaxer9
thanks for the thoughts guys! -- earwaxer9 System: modified Winsome Labs Mouse, modified Maggie MMG's, Transporter, HSU sub 12, MSB DAC to 500 watt sub slave amp, JPS labs power cords, Silver audio interconnect, Audioquest Granite speaker cable.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread adamdea
drewe181;637375 Wrote: It's also a FACT that I prefer Pink Lady apples to the others though this does not lead to the assumption that PL apples are the best of all the apples. Again, opinion and fact are two very different things. In the scientific community they call these Hypothesis and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Speaker Cable - Upgrade ?

2011-06-21 Thread earwaxer9
I like solid core copper. The Audioquest cables are the best bang for the buck IMO. You can get them from Audio Adviser (most of the time on sale). The fatter the better! -- earwaxer9 System: modified Winsome Labs Mouse, modified Maggie MMG's, Transporter, HSU sub 12, MSB DAC to 500 watt sub

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread magiccarpetride
drewe181;637375 Wrote: That is what science is: proving other scientists wrong. So when Sir Isaac Newton formulated his law of universal gravitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_of_universal_gravitation) he was proving other scientists wrong? So other scientist were all along

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread magiccarpetride
drewe181;637367 Wrote: NO. Facts are derived from thorough, proven, scientific method that has been tested repeatedly and cannot be proved wrong. This is so misguided, it's not even funny. What you are saying is that, before the advent of science, humankind had no concept of facts? You ought

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread drewe181
magiccarpetride;637424 Wrote: This is so misguided, it's not even funny. What you are saying is that, before the advent of science, humankind had no concept of facts? You ought to be forced to go back to school and finish your education. Facts are first and foremost based on the common

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread drewe181
magiccarpetride;637423 Wrote: So when Sir Isaac Newton formulated his law of universal gravitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_of_universal_gravitation) he was proving other scientists wrong? So other scientist were all along claiming that when an apple dislodges from the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread adamdea
Hmmm Not really sure where this Philosophy of Science 101 gets anyone. Surely the point is that (without descending into logical positivism) science is largely interested in propositions which are repeatable and falsifiable so as to be useful and meaningful. So should we be: if someone expresses

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Speaker Cable - Upgrade ?

2011-06-21 Thread Ron Olsen
Anyone thinking of buying expensive speaker wire should take the time to get educated on the subject: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm And then buy high-quality wire for less than $2/ft. from a source like Blue Jeans: http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm Spending lots

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread darrenyeats
I'm nearer to MCR than others on certain points. We can know things outside of the modern scientific method. His example of fire burning might be considered scientific method, or not, depending on your definition. But the point we knew stuff before modern science is well made. The person hears

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Patch lead from wall to Touch ?

2011-06-21 Thread tank121
Apologies Phil I know you've answered this elsewhere ? Best unshielded ? Cat5 OK ? It about 1ft run. -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Patch lead from wall to Touch ?

2011-06-21 Thread garym
tank121;637464 Wrote: Apologies Phil I know you've answered this elsewhere ? Best unshielded ? Cat5 OK ? It about 1ft run. unshielded is best. and CAT5 is fine as TOUCH is not gigabit anyhow -- garym garym's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XTC Room Analyzer

2011-06-21 Thread tank121
Anyone used this ? Any good ? If it is, does anyone own it and live close to Poynton Cheshire ? I'm skint following my room conversion! -- tank121 tank121's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XTC Room Analyzer

2011-06-21 Thread darrenyeats
tank121;637470 Wrote: Anyone used this ? Any good ? If it is, does anyone own it and live close to Poynton Cheshire ? I'm skint following my room conversion! I use it. It has been very useful figuring out the main problems I need to address in terms of acoustics. For me, the next

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread darrenyeats
MCR, Now I will take you to task! darrenyeats;637440 Wrote: The person hears equipment X is better than Y. That's an observation, fact, and science might explain such an observation in many ways. I think that's a reasonable way to phrase things. You don't care why you hear equipment X is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XTC Room Analyzer

2011-06-21 Thread tank121
You local to me Cheshire. -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88429

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XTC Room Analyzer

2011-06-21 Thread darrenyeats
tank121;637474 Wrote: You local to me Cheshire. Sadly not. However, you can pick it up for about 150 pounds. That includes the software and hardware. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind tests? I don't get it...

2011-06-21 Thread Phil Leigh
magiccarpetride;637424 Wrote: This is so misguided, it's not even funny. What you are saying is that, before the advent of science, humankind had no concept of facts? You ought to be forced to go back to school and finish your education. Facts are first and foremost based on the common

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XTC Room Analyzer

2011-06-21 Thread Phil Leigh
you don't need this stuff. Is the room finished yet? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XTC Room Analyzer

2011-06-21 Thread ralphpnj
tank121;637470 Wrote: Anyone used this ? Any good ? If it is, does anyone own it and live close to Poynton Cheshire ? I'm skint following my room conversion! For me the XTC Room Analyzer consists of my copy (CD or vinyl) of XTC's fantastic English Settlement album. The best tracks for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-06-21 Thread Audio Bling
All, I am on-board with SBT. I have TT2 implemented + linear power supplies (1 for SBT 1 for network switch). So far, very impressed. Just a network glitch to sort out. Thanks to Klaus John Swenson. AB. -- Audio Bling

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XTC Room Analyzer

2011-06-21 Thread sleepysurf
It's actually the *XTZ* Room Analyzer, and IMHO, a wonderful tool. However, I'm still learning how to interpret all the graphs (especially the full range room response with RT60 calculations). It may not be as sophisticated as some other room analyzer software, but for an all-in-one-box

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] XTC Room Analyzer

2011-06-21 Thread Rodney_Gold
I use one , it has a great feature for me in that it suggests parametric filters I can implement to tighten up bass response in my room. I use a very good parametric equaliser (z-sys Rdp-1) in my system. IF you really want to do cheap but very effective sub 500hz room correction and want a