Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Phil Leigh
evdplancke;669118 Wrote: > I am afraid you are not the only one to know the truth about jitter :) > > Just to broaden a little bit your culture, jitter in data networking > protocols commonly means packet jitter, meaning that the delay between > packets is varying over time. > http://en.wikipedi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread evdplancke
Phil Leigh;669069 Wrote: > Let me try it in capitals: THERE IS NO JITTER IN ASYNCHRONOUS PROTOCOLS, > BECAUSE THERE IS NO CLOCK TO BE OUT OF TIME WITH. I am afraid you are not the only one to know the truth about jitter :) Just to broaden a little bit your culture, jitter in data networking pro

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Stilly77
guidof;669107 Wrote: > Emotiva has a very good reputation. Let us know how you like the XDA. > > Guido F. I will and thanks for the feedback GuidoI have two SB'3 and various laptop's / PC's so having a external DAC (my first one) will be interesting. -- Stilly77 -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread guidof
Stilly77;669102 Wrote: > Well, Emotiva just dropped their XDA-1 price by $50 today. I just bought > one. > > http://emotiva.com/xda1.shtm > > $250 shipped > > I am very happy with a couple of their products that I own, an Ultra > Sub 12, and UPA-2. Emotiva has a very good reputation. Let us k

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Stilly77
SoftwireEngineer;669081 Wrote: > I dont use CD players anymore, because a simple cleaning of the CD would > produce a different sound. That one ranks up there with the jitter arguement! I suppose a cd with fried chicken grease would sound different after a good cleaning :) My cd's are pristin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Stilly77
Well, Emotiva just dropped their XDA-1 price by $50 today. I just bought one. http://emotiva.com/xda1.shtm $250 shipped -- Stilly77 Stilly77's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43680 View this thre

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for a new amp?

2011-11-10 Thread SuperQ
I recently got a Musical Fidelity M6i to go with my Transporter and Revel F32 speakers. Loving it. http://www.musicalfidelity.com/products/M6-Series/M6i/M6i.asp I also have a mac mini attached for watching movies on my projector. Downmixing surround to stereo is hit or mis, but it sounds great

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread guidof
Stilly77;669073 Wrote: > Unfortunately the DAC borrowing isn't an option. > > My Pioneer has a higher spec'd Burr-Brown DAC than the Touch and with > its' implementation produces excellent audio on the analogs, much > better than the Touch even after the cap mod. Lossless streaming to the > Touc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread SoftwireEngineer
Stilly77;669073 Wrote: > Unfortunately the DAC borrowing isn't an option. > > My Pioneer has a higher spec'd Burr-Brown DAC than the Touch and with > its' implementation produces excellent audio on the analogs, much > better than the Touch even after the cap mod. Lossless streaming to the > Touc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Stilly77
guidof;669056 Wrote: > It's hard to say whether using the Touch's digital out into a good DAC > would give you the sound you're looking for. What are your preferences > for "better" sound? What type of music do you listen to? Even knowing > more about these items, it is you who must be satisfied

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread magiccarpetride
Phil Leigh;669049 Wrote: > You do know that the mono mix is the "correct" one? Is that according to Yoko Ono? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Phil Leigh
evdplancke;669059 Wrote: > By ethernet jitter, I mean the fact that bits are not sent at a constant > rate. This kind of jitter is reduced by Qos by avoiding high prio > packets to be delayed by queues on the LAN (strict prio rule). > > This should make the processing power more stable, hence re

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread evdplancke
Phil Leigh;668760 Wrote: > This is async TCP/IP - there is no "ethernet jitter"... By ethernet jitter, I mean the fact that bits are not sent at a constant rate. This kind of jitter is reduced by Qos by avoiding high prio packets to be delayed by queues on the LAN (strict prio rule). This shoul

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread guidof
Stilly77;669041 Wrote: > Today I did some A/B testing trying to convince myself that the TT mods > were just a placebo effect. I desired to operate the Touch in its' full > screen glory with all functions available. Result? After a half dozen > times back and forth, the TT 3.0 mod will stay insta

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Phil Leigh
magiccarpetride;668990 Wrote: > I think there is a hidden tt -pl switch which prods Phil Leigh to post a > scathing attack on any and all who claim that there could ever be any > audible difference between the unmodded Touch, Touch with TT2.0 > applied, and Touch with TT3.0 applied. Later on, he'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Phil Leigh
magiccarpetride;669008 Wrote: > Yes, the mono version sounds very different. Not sure if I'm crazy about > the sped up "She's Leaving Home", though. You do know that the mono mix is the "correct" one? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't wha

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;668988 Wrote: > Is there a tt-h control which turns off hyperbole? Hilarious... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can the SB3 deliver 96 kHz/24 bit to offboard DAC?

2011-11-10 Thread Phil Leigh
darrenyeats;668998 Wrote: > Unless you've got a... "- yeah we know Darren. Benchmark blah-blah-blah. > Enough already." > Darren So are you saying that via the Benchmark, a Touch and SB3 sound the same?... Time for a new DAC :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Stilly77
Today I did some A/B testing trying to convince myself that the TT mods were just a placebo effect. I desired to operate the Touch in its' full screen glory with all functions available. Result? After a half dozen times back and forth, the TT 3.0 mod will stay installed because there is a clear di

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread guidof
soundcheck;668895 Wrote: > Hi folks. > > For those who can't skip the wireless: > > Below you'll find two scenarios to get your wireless situation easily > under control. > > > 1. > You build a wireless bridge, which usually also acts as wireless range > > extender. > > Cheers Hi Klaus:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread garym
adamdea;669014 Wrote: > I suppose that's the way with night and day differences- they come > around twice every 24 hours. The thing is from time to time I get these > sudden moments of feeling that the music comes together and I really > feel I've just heard it properly . Its what music does! I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread praganj
magiccarpetride;668990 Wrote: > > > As a matter of fact, I was wondering myself why is Phil so > conspicuously quiet in this thread? He is probably making some measurements ;) -- praganj praganj's Profile: http://foru

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread garym
magiccarpetride;669008 Wrote: > Yes, the mono version sounds very different. Not sure if I'm crazy about > the sped up "She's Leaving Home", though. yeah, in general it is sometimes quite jarring for me to hear a song off the mono box set that I mostly knew by stereo versions. My original white

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread adamdea
garym;668994 Wrote: > Yes we do. > > Although I secretly wish I had the ability to be as impressed as MCR > with changes to his system. In his posts over the last year or so, he > has been entirely blown away by the night & day improvement in his > audio from so many different things it makes m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread magiccarpetride
garym;668999 Wrote: > I do like his taste in music. p.s. I've very much enjoyed the mono > beatles versions, particularly SPLHCB. And I have the stereo remasters > as well, but the MONO just seems particularly nice. Maybe because I had > the original albums in mono. who knows Yes, the mono

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread magiccarpetride
adamdea;668991 Wrote: > but this new liking-the-Beatles thing is scaring me. I hear you. Turns out that the Beatles are to be blamed for the present economic fallout in Greece. Go figure. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetri

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread garym
adamdea;668991 Wrote: > Perhaps he has taken the same view Tom Lehrer did of the futility of > satire after Henry Kissinger got the nobel peace prize. made my day ;-) -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) > SbS 7.6.2 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet ex

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread garym
garym;668994 Wrote: > Yes we do. > > Although I secretly wish I had the ability to be as impressed as MCR > with changes to his system. In his posts over the last year or so, he > has been entirely blown away by the night & day improvement in his > audio from so many different things it makes m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can the SB3 deliver 96 kHz/24 bit to offboard DAC?

2011-11-10 Thread darrenyeats
Phil Leigh;668972 Wrote: > 24/48 > On the other hand, EVERYTHING sounds better on the Touch anyway... Unless you've got a... "- yeah we know Darren. Benchmark blah-blah-blah. Enough already." Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread garym
magiccarpetride;668990 Wrote: > We desperately need someone to debunk all this bullshit:) Yes we do. Although I secretly wish I had the ability to be as impressed as MCR with changes to his system. In his posts over the last year or so, he has been entirely blown away by the night & day improv

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Howard Turkster
I decided to give 3.0 another chance and reinstalled it completely with all mods including Daemon killer. But now accessing my Touch with Squeezeplay installed on my laptop, my Touch is unable to connect with my server (connected via ethernet). Is there something obvious I'm missing here causing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread adamdea
magiccarpetride;668990 Wrote: > I think there is a hidden tt -pl switch which prods Phil Leigh to post a > scathing attack on any and all who claim that there could ever be any > audible difference between the unmodded Touch, Touch with TT2.0 > applied, and Touch with TT3.0 applied. Later on, he'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread magiccarpetride
adamdea;668988 Wrote: > Is there a tt-h control which turns off hyperbole? I think there is a hidden tt -pl switch which prods Phil Leigh to post a scathing attack on any and all who claim that there could ever be any audible difference between the unmodded Touch, Touch with TT2.0 applied, and T

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread adamdea
Is there a tt-h control which turns off hyperbole? -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread magiccarpetride
Mr Bellow;668851 Wrote: > Soundcheck is right : is really a pleasure read what you write. I can > feel yr passion for music. About yr observations I can say only one > thing : the secret is to run TT3.0 with all the options enabled (even > vollock and kill the daemons). In the first days , since

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stylish tiny amp for Touch

2011-11-10 Thread TiredLegs
RonM;668876 Wrote: > Doesn't look like the Dared MP-5 is available any more, not currently on > the Dared site at all. The Fatman iTube appears to have no DAC. Several variations of it are still on the market, and you can usually find good used units on eBay or Audiogon. Some have the DAC and so

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can the SB3 deliver 96 kHz/24 bit to offboard DAC?

2011-11-10 Thread Phil Leigh
Lewis Moon;668958 Wrote: > Well crap. Looks like I'll be buying a touch after all. Crap crap > crap. Sometimes I think it would be easier (and much cheaper) to be a > metal head listening to low grade MP3s on stock ear buds. > > Exactly how big/fast can the SB3 go? 24/48 However, you won't b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can the SB3 deliver 96 kHz/24 bit to offboard DAC?

2011-11-10 Thread Lewis Moon
Mnyb;668954 Wrote: > No only Touch or transporter does that. > > limit is in cpu speed memory etc, thats the bottleneck, not the dac > chip . > can be other hardware limits to. Well crap. Looks like I'll be buying a touch after all. Crap crap crap. Sometimes I think it would be easier (and m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can the SB3 deliver 96 kHz/24 bit to offboard DAC?

2011-11-10 Thread Mnyb
No only Touch or transporter does that. limit is in cpu speed memory etc, thats the bottleneck, not the dac chip . can be other hardware limits to. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can the SB3 deliver 96 kHz/24 bit to offboard DAC?

2011-11-10 Thread Lewis Moon
I'm getting a Schiit Bifrost in the next couple of weeks and I was wondering if my venerable old SB3 could deliver 96 kHz/24 bit files to the new DAC. I understand it can't play those files, but I wounder if it could act as the "conduit" to something that can. -- Lewis Moon

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Mr Bellow
soundcheck;668895 Wrote: > > A HW hint: > If you hook up a better PS to your hardwired router/bridge/range > extender you'll notice it. ( no,no -- you don't have to feed your > router/bridge/hub with Bolder or Teddy Pardo or whatever "audiophile" > PS ;) ) Can you please tell us which kind of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Cut-Throat
terjehaa;668927 Wrote: > If you cannot hook it back up to your network ? > There you could use Putty or Winscp to turn on the screen via the > terminalwindow and the tt -x command? I can't use tt -x until I get it hooked it hooked to the network. It does not have an IP address yet. -- Cut-Thr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread terjehaa
Cut-Throat;668924 Wrote: > No it was set for Wireless. > > So, Factory Reset is my only option? If you cannot hook it back up to your network ? There you could use Putty or Winscp to turn on the screen via the terminalwindow and the tt -x command? -- terjehaa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-10 Thread Cut-Throat
Mnyb;668881 Wrote: > If it's set for ethernet it migth work, if it's ethernet with dhcp it > will work. No it was set for Wireless. So, Factory Reset is my only option? -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.