Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-05-24 Thread Mark Lanctot
Mark Lanctot;203872 Wrote: > I'm visiting tomorrow. The receptionist was pretty enthusiastic about a > tour and told me to just drop in. > > They're only about 3 km from my afternoon appointment, a good way to > spend an hour or so in the morning. > > I may not be allowed to take pictures insi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-05-22 Thread Mark Lanctot
Mark Lanctot;197543 Wrote: > I wonder if they allow factory tours. I've been in town twice on > business. I'm visiting tomorrow. The receptionist was pretty enthusiastic about a tour and told me to just drop in. They're only about 3 km from my afternoon appointment, a good way to spend an hou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-28 Thread nuhi
I see that maybe you misunderstood me, I too said it's missing some speed and woofer freedom. Uptight would be the word. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-28 Thread Andyoz
The way the second hand hifi market is, you can have some real fun experimenting with speakers in the sub £1000 price bracket. I never found the bass on my OB1's fast, just slow and "lumpy". Part of it was down to the room, but any speaker design that attempts to get such low freq. extension wit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-28 Thread nuhi
ModelCitizen, it is Audio Research SP16, dynamic, forward and bassy. I agree on cables but once you tasted it no way back, I mean on difference possibility, that PS cable isn't so special. Andyoz, when the bass kicks it's great, very deep and strong, as I see it OB1 is neutral as 4B and that coul

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-28 Thread Andyoz
I really don't think the OB1's will ever give you the sound you're after. Just unscrew one of the OB1 6.25" woofers and hold it in your hand...that will give you an idea of how far off the mark they are. By the sounds of it, the woofers on those things must be hitting their "stops" at the levels

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-27 Thread ModelCitizen
Yup, sterile sound at low volumes about sums it up. At high volumes it's very different for me. Cable I already hate myself for getting this far into this audiophile world. I think if I started comparing cables it's time to jump off Brighton pier! However, if it's not too expensive I may have

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-27 Thread nuhi
ModelCitizen, don't know about the distorsions, never heard any but then again I'm never even near the max. About the sterile sound, if I may call it like that...I have the the exact issue (and taste in music) and it took me some time to figure out it's Bryston+PMC studio sound by swapping cords

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-27 Thread ModelCitizen
Nope, no switches. I'm now really confused. I think the 4B might be too powerful for the OB1s, in that the OB1s appear to distort if I play a loud track at full volume the Bryston red clipping leds do not come on so I presume it is not the Bryston amp clipping. If this is the case, the OB1s a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-27 Thread Andyoz
Does the 4B ST have 1V/2V "gain" switches on the rear panel. The SST does and with my SB3, I have to set it to the 'lower gain' setting of 2V and I still feel I am getting a very high level out of it. If I set it to the 'higher gain' setting of 1V I would be worried about blowing something. ust

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-27 Thread nuhi
ModelCitizen, thought that you might experience that, it will not go to it's full potential without a preamp, simply not enough gain. And those PMC speakers are hard to drive as it is. Borrow some preamp at a friend or a shop. Paring source and amp without a preamp is a lottery. What about the so

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-27 Thread ModelCitizen
mcBaby02;197869 Wrote: > Check out if there is any short circuit. Cheers. I've been meaning to post back. I had prepared box, letter, ra, etc to post the amp back, went downstairs to amp with the box, saw I'd forgottent ot turn the amp off so tried playing some music with the Transporter... and i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-26 Thread Phil Leigh
ModelCitizen;197629 Wrote: > Gawd, don't you just love the men on this forum. If they can't kill off > a thread with an agument about jitter, abxing or somesuch they try your > car! > > MC Tee hee... The car is an easy one! -- Phil Leigh --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-26 Thread ModelCitizen
Phil Leigh;197597 Wrote: > Well...that says it all really: > 1) Audi - good but not great > 2) TT - Oh dear > So you have paid over the odds (unless you bought used) > welcome to he world of audiophilia :0) Gawd, don't you just love the men on this forum. If they can't kill off a thread with an a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Phil Leigh
Andyoz;197592 Wrote: > Well, you do drive an Audi TT !! Well...that says it all really: 1) Audi - good but not great 2) TT - Oh dear So you have paid over the odds (unless you bought used) welcome to he world of audiophilia :0) -- Phil Leigh ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Andyoz
ModelCitizen;197567 Wrote: > Is this another reference to my driving skills? > MC Well, you do drive an Audi TT !! -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http:/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread ModelCitizen
Andyoz;197477 Wrote: > At least it's a Bryston so the guarrantee will last longer than you > will. Is this another reference to my driving skills? MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transpo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread nuhi
ModelCitizen;197545 Wrote: > I can't see any reason to use a pre-amp as the Transporter has one and > received wisdom is that using the built in Transporter stuff should be > better than using yet another device (pre-amp). However, I shall be a > little annoyed if the Transporter does not drive t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Mark Lanctot
ModelCitizen;197547 Wrote: > I can't imagine that will be too interesting. It's probably one > (underemployed) guy and a bench. > MC I don't know, the company is obviously enthusiastic about their product. Whether they welcome interested people in is another matter though. I've been on lots of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread ModelCitizen
Mark Lanctot;197543 Wrote: > I wonder if they allow factory tours. I've been in town twice on > business. I can't imagine that will be too interesting. It's probably one (underemployed) guy and a bench. MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Mark Lanctot
ModelCitizen;197470 Wrote: > I'm talking to Andy Wilson at Bryston and sending it back (to Luton). So they have local service facilities? I wonder if they allow factory tours. I've been in town twice on business. -- Mark Lanctot --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread ModelCitizen
Robin Bowes;197541 Wrote: > How many trees did you hit on the way??? :) > R. The trees were all very stationary that night. :-) MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B S

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Robin Bowes
ModelCitizen wrote: > The Bryston's appear to be built like brick out houses. They are > incredibly solid and heavy. The damage could have been caused whilst I > was driving from Pease Pottage to Barcombe but as the amp was in it's > box in the boot of my TT and I did not drive across fields I doub

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread nuhi
ModelCitizen;197532 Wrote: > > nuhli... do I understand you correctly?... do you run a Bryston 4B ST > (or SST) into OB1s with a Transporter? If so, can you get the volume > extremely loud indeed? > > I want extreme volume. Yes you did, can you imagine that, completely the same except that I u

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread ModelCitizen
The Bryston's appear to be built like brick out houses. They are incredibly solid and heavy. The damage could have been caused whilst I was driving from Pease Pottage to Barcombe but as the amp was in it's box in the boot of my TT and I did not drive across fields I doubt it. I really do think it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Andyoz
haha...AWOL is a bit of a strong term come to think of it. I think Bryston are the best. I even read a story of someone with a really old Bryston that was purcahsed when they 'only' offered a 5 year guarrantee. When they announced the 20 year guarrantee policy, they applied it retrospecively to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread nuhi
Andyoz;197486 Wrote: > I didn't say there was anything wrong with Bryston...probably why I OWN > ONE! :) ok pardon my English, searched on the net for the AWOL explanation. It's just I'm kinda jumpy because I don't want that my thread provokes some bad vibe on any of these products, this is all

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Andyoz
nuhi;197483 Wrote: > Andyoz, there is nothing wrong with Bryston, his model is the older one, > it could have gotten damaged during transport. I didn't say there was anything wrong with Bryston...probably why I OWN ONE! -- Andyoz ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread nuhi
ModelCitizen;197470 Wrote: > > nuhi... I have not had this set up before. This was the very first time > I plugged the Transporter into the Bryston. I only got the Bryston last > night. Prior to this I'd seen/heard it working driving the rear > speakers of an incredibly ott system. Aaa true I w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Andyoz
Oh bugger, so the Bryston has gone AWOL. Maybe it had a hard time in transit. I really can't believe you're luck after all the time you spent looking for one!! At least it's a Bryston so the guarrantee will last longer than you will. How have Bryston been to deal with? -- Andyoz ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Andyoz
Oh bugger, so the Bryston has gone AWOL. Maybe it have had a hard time in transit. I really can't believe you're luck after all the time you spent looking for one!! At least it's a Bryston so the guarrantee will last longer than you will. How have Bryston been to deal with? -- Andyoz --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread ModelCitizen
I'm talking to Andy Wilson at Bryston and sending it back (to Luton). The things is over 20 kilos though! I think I must just have been unlucky. The Transporter in NAIM power amp worked fine for ages. I think the Bryston blowing 5 seconds after I plugged the Transporter into it must just be a pur

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread nuhi
ModelCitizen;197402 Wrote: > One channel dead and the other very reduced volume. > Quite a big problem. :-( > MC If you weren't driving the amp into clipping and what not then simply take it on the warranty for the repair. And while you're at it ask them why did it die and let us know so that ot

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread Skunk
ModelCitizen;197402 Wrote: > One channel dead and the other very reduced volume. > Quite a big problem. :-( > MC Have you tried/could you try a cd player or other source going into the Bryston, to make sure it works as expected? Was the amp working properly in another setup before trying it wi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread ModelCitizen
One channel dead and the other very reduced volume. Quite a big problem. :-( MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Sha

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread nuhi
Well it worked fine for me if you don't count that heating up which was from the amp in the first place. What's the problem? -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-25 Thread ModelCitizen
Is anyone using a Tranporter directly into a Bryston 4B ST or SST successfully via unbalanced outputs? My 4B ST appears to have developed a problem just after connecting the Transporter and ramping the volume up. :-( MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-20 Thread seanadams
nuhi;196497 Wrote: > So the only logical conclusion is that it was due to the proximity to > the power amplifier when moved one shelf below. Or that was just a coincidence, and the problem was caused by some other variable which changed around the same time. If you suspect that the heat from the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-20 Thread nuhi
seanadams;196494 Wrote: > Transporter is not a power amplifier, it generates only a tiny little > signal at its output. There is nothing about the "load" on the output > or the volume level that will change its temperature. Really, forget > about it - the problem is somewhere else! Ok, ok, I hop

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-20 Thread seanadams
nuhi;196484 Wrote: > > Wasn't using any attenuation because it wasn't needed. Read the > directtoamp guide and it seemed fine. I used it carefully, first > lowered the volume (can -15dB warm it up?) then turned on the amp. Transporter is not a power amplifier, it generates only a tiny little si

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-20 Thread nuhi
seanadams;196480 Wrote: > There is nothing you could connect it to that will make it get hot. Is > there reasonable ventilation? It's not right on top of a hot amp is it? > At any rate, the electronics are quite tolerant of high temperatures, > and I doubt your disconnects have anything to do wit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-20 Thread seanadams
There is nothing you could connect it to that will make it get hot. Is there reasonable ventilation? It's not right on top of a hot amp is it? At any rate, the electronics are quite tolerant of high temperatures, and I doubt your disconnects have anything to do with that. It is almost certainly a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-20 Thread nuhi
cliveb;196474 Wrote: > Do you know the input impedance of the amp? It strikes me that it would > have to be *very* low to cause this sort of problem. My own Transporter > is connected directly to power amps which have an input impedance of > only 10kOhm, which is pretty low these days, but it doe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-20 Thread cliveb
nuhi;196467 Wrote: > Why no one warns about this, seems to me that the impedance of the amp > was too small thus stressing the Transporter...or is it something else? Do you know the input impedance of the amp? It strikes me that it would have to be *very* low to cause this sort of problem. My own

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?

2007-04-20 Thread nuhi
Hi, today I had a close call with the Transporter. Connected it directly to the amp (Bryston 4BSST) because of all the hype. Sounds nice, little more detail, less dynamic than with the preamp but after a while it started to disconnect from the server. Then a loud pop while reconnecting...even th