[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-26 Thread cliveb
Eric Carroll;174361 Wrote: In your page you reference the calculator spreadsheet, but I think that was a forum posting attachment, wasn't it? Its not in linked in the wiki page. The spreadsheet is an attachment to the wiki, called atten_calc.xls. The attachments are listed at the top left,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-26 Thread Limping_Pylon
Skunk;174363 Wrote: Surely they meant 10K ohms?QUOTE] there's a lesson here, the web site information is completely wrong, i downloaded the manual and it gives the impedance as 11Kohms -- Limping_Pylon

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-25 Thread Eric Carroll
Thanks! So what more do we need on the wiki? -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-25 Thread Limping_Pylon
Thanks for the article, great info. Are there any considerations that need to be given to the power amps rated input impedance vs the Transporters? for instance I am considering an amp. has an input impedance of 10 ohms (so says the spec. sheet) but it doesn't give the input sensitivity... --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-25 Thread Eric Carroll
cliveb;172274 Wrote: Comments and corrections gratefully received. Cliveb, In your page you reference the calculator spreadsheet, but I think that was a forum posting attachment, wasn't it? Its not in linked in the wiki page. If I can find the forum posting I will edit in the link to it,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-25 Thread Skunk
Limping_Pylon;174321 Wrote: for instance I am considering an amp. has an input impedance of 10 ohms (so says the spec. sheet) but it doesn't give the input sensitivity... Surely they meant 10K ohms? I've yet to see anyone mention this California based attenuator manufacturer:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-25 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;174363 Wrote: They're pretty expensive if you have them make a box and put a knob on it though. I added it to the list but wow, they took my breath away on the cost of the ganged pot in a box. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-25 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;174365 Wrote: I added it to the list but wow, they took my breath away on the cost of the ganged pot in a box. And reading their web site I still haven't figured out how much attenuation you can get... its gotta be there somewhere. In their defense, it's all open source:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-25 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;174369 Wrote: In their defense, it's all open source: http://www.goldpt.com/diy.html Ya I found their attenuation list here: http://www.goldpt.com/info.html Nice looking stepped pot box, stunning price. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-24 Thread Mark Lanctot
Eric Carroll;172077 Wrote: Ya, I was thinking about adding a Transporter section at the bottom. Mark, is that ok? Hi Eric: I saw how you did this - good job. There's a clear link to follow for Transporter users and it doesn't clutter up the page mostly used by Squeezebox users. Nice! --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-20 Thread cliveb
Eric Carroll;171975 Wrote: Its a Wiki! Edit away! The only question I have is if it belongs inline in the page I wrote or if you should create two new pages for the topics and link them in on a phrase. I am thinking the latter as its a long page already. OK, thanks. I sort of understand

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread cliveb
Eric Carroll;171426 Wrote: I have written a new Wiki page: ConnectToPowerAmp http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?ConnectToPowerAmp I feel that I have a couple of things to contribute: 1. Discussion of adding DIY passive attenuation - I can supply an Excel spreadsheet to help choosing

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Skunk
I hope this isn't off topic, but something I noticed on the Rothwell site is a claimed 10db SNR improvement by using the balanced attenuators between a preamp and amp*. Wouldn't that be impossible if the preamp had an analog volume control? Maybe the reason it seems on-topic is because of the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread cliveb
Skunk;171911 Wrote: I hope this isn't off topic, but something I noticed on the Rothwell site is a claimed 10db SNR improvement by using the balanced attenuators between a preamp and amp*. *Although the attenuators can be used on the inputs of the pre-amp in exactly the same way as they

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Carroll
cliveb;171822 Wrote: How would you like me to go about this: edit the wiki directly, or send you my suggested text? Clive, Its a Wiki! Edit away! Eric -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Mark Lanctot
ceejay;171697 Wrote: Well the first page is the BeginnersGuide and it is meant to be just the headlines with shortcuts to the pages with more info. The BeginnersGuideOverview goes into more detail and is intended to be readable in its own right. I did start to draft a paragraph to go in

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Limping_Pylon
Great idea and post. I am currently checking out new power amps and speaker combinations so you timing is good. My Transporter has the three built in attenuation levels on the unbalanced outputs, can you add some information on what the output levels would be at each of the settings? --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Carroll
Thanks for the question, I will add the answer to ConnectoToPowerAmp page. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Skunk
Hi Eric. If you read the references, in order, they all lead up to making the last one seem outdated (it's almost 2yo). E.g. the volume control in the DAC *is* used now, which is precisely the point of the more recent link directly above it. -- Skunk

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Mark Lanctot
Eric Carroll;171975 Wrote: I will probably create a ConnectToPreAmp page too to discuss that issue and link it in to the beginner's page (depending on what MarkL does per abive). This would mesh perfectly if you turned analog point 10 into a big hyperlink like I did with points 8 and 9. --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;172059 Wrote: Hi Eric. If you read the references, in order, they all lead up to making the last one seem outdated (it's almost 2yo). E.g. the volume control in the DAC *is* used now, which is precisely the point of the more recent link directly above it. Sorry, maybe its just the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread ceejay
Mark nice work... I think the only point I'd want to debate is your assumption that we don't need to cover the Transporter as their owners are unlikely to be beginners: not beginners in audio, almost certainly, but could easily be complete novices in slimserver or computer based audio. Ceejay

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Carroll
Ya, I was thinking about adding a Transporter section at the bottom. Mark, is that ok? -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;172059 Wrote: Hi Eric. If you read the references, in order, they all lead up to making the last one seem outdated (it's almost 2yo). E.g. the volume control in the DAC *is* used now, which is precisely the point of the more recent link directly above it. Are you sure about that?

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Mark Lanctot
Eric Carroll;172077 Wrote: Ya, I was thinking about adding a Transporter section at the bottom. Mark, is that ok? Absolutely, as you indicated, it's a wiki. I just didn't want to include it in the list with everything else. It has so many extra connections that would have to be explained:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread totoro
Just thought I'd congratulate you for your community service. cheers, Michael -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;172079 Wrote: Are you sure about that? My understanding is that PREAMP volume control is implemented in the DAC, but VOLUME control is implemented in the CPU. Yeah I shouldn't have used that example. The more contradictory thing in the old post is the the statement 'you don't

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread opaqueice
One minor point - somewhere in there was a link to a post by Sean Adams where he states that each level on the 100 point volume scale is a dB. I think it's .5 dB actually, and IIRC he corrects himself later in that thread. -- opaqueice

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;172112 Wrote: Yeah I shouldn't have used that example. The more contradictory thing in the old post is the the statement 'you don't lose any resolution', whereas that's corrected in the long post. I'm sure nobody but me will notice :-) Carry on. Thank you! -- Eric Carroll

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Carroll
opaqueice;172113 Wrote: One minor point - somewhere in there was a link to a post by Sean Adams where he states that each level on the 100 point volume scale is a dB. I think it's .5 dB actually, and IIRC he corrects himself later in that thread. ooh, nice catch! I rea somewhere and thus

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Carroll
totoro;172101 Wrote: Just thought I'd congratulate you for your community service. cheers, Michael I am sure I speak for MarkL (and I know I speak for myself) when I say thank you! Not like we get more SB3s or anything ;-) Since this is my first wiki creation (such as it is) postive

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread Mark Lanctot
Eric Carroll;172179 Wrote: I am sure I speak for MarkL (and I know I speak for myself) when I say thank you! Not like we get more SB3s or anything ;-) Since this is my first wiki creation (such as it is) postive feedback is definately appreciated. Yes, thanks totoro. I didn't respond

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread seanadams
Eric Carroll;172079 Wrote: Are you sure about that? My understanding is that PREAMP volume control is implemented in the DAC, but VOLUME control is implemented in the CPU. That is true, but they are still both the same kind of digital function. Although the preamp control is done in the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-19 Thread totoro
Mark Lanctot;172195 Wrote: Yes, thanks totoro. I didn't respond because I wasn't sure who you were addressing - Eric got this thread started and ceejay gave a good idea. Sorry. I meant to include everyone involved, with an extra bump to the OP for initiative :). cheers, Michael -- totoro

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-18 Thread Skunk
Good job, something like this was needed. Unfortunately they will still ask how to hook up and use integrated amps/receivers, especially the volume control. I would also point out that the opening line reads like a poor translation: The Transporter and Squeezebox make a novel configuration

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-18 Thread Eric Carroll
There is a wiki page AvReceivers from MarkL there http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AVReceivers I don't see it linked in anywhere that I can find yet. Thanks for the correction, its a first draft. Change made. -- Eric Carroll

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-18 Thread chiefersone
I have the SB going into an Adcom gtp600 preamp tied to a 6 zone amplifier that I am able to get all the volume I desire with, but my problem lies in that I took an RCA interconnect to my downstairs Denon A/V receiver to play SB in basement and at full volume I can't get the loudness I am

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-18 Thread Mark Lanctot
Eric Carroll;171438 Wrote: There is a wiki page AvReceivers from MarkL there http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AVReceivers I don't see it linked in anywhere that I can find yet. That was me. I'm not quite sure where to link it from - I didn't find an appropriate place in the Beginner's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-18 Thread ceejay
Well the first page is the BeginnersGuide and it is meant to be just the headlines with shortcuts to the pages with more info. The BeginnersGuideOverview goes into more detail and is intended to be readable in its own right. I did start to draft a paragraph to go in the Overview page but

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp

2007-01-18 Thread Mark Lanctot
ceejay;171697 Wrote: Anyone feeling bold? Sounds like a nice Friday morning project - I'll give it a go if everyone's OK with this. -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal