[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-07 Thread Phil Leigh
Thing is though, you'd need to keep your original wav/flac files if doing the batch thing, since if you move house or rearrange the listening room you need to re-apply a different correction... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-07 Thread opaqueice
Phil Leigh Wrote: Thing is though, you'd need to keep your original wav/flac files if doing the batch thing, since if you move house or rearrange the listening room you need to re-apply a different correction... Yeah, that would be a real pain. All in all real time is better - and I think

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread rbl
Surely, for someone using a squeezebox (or similar) there is a poor man's solution. Just get some appropriate software to play the calibration sounds from your Squeezebox, listen to them with a Behringer mic, and then get some software to run the conversion on the FLAC files. I would be amazed if

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread krzys
azinck3 Wrote: Anyone have any experience with one of these? $300 sounds a bit better than $7000... I'm using one since 10 months, very usefull and a great value, quite decent DAC also. Much better if tweaked (analogue out, clock, PS caps etc). The DEQ is of course much less sophisticated

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread azinck3
krzys Wrote: I'm using one since 10 months, very usefull and a great value, quite decent DAC also. Much better if tweaked (analogue out, clock, PS caps etc). The DEQ is of course much less sophisticated than a TACT (filters and number of filters) but makes a very good job. What do you

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread richidoo
Skunk, right on about the remote. Phil, I will try the GV software today. The Tact is digital input only. I am using it as preamp with SB volume cranked. So far, I have not been able to tweek the Tact to sound as transparent as SB connected analog straight to the amp. If GV is easier to use,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread mauidan
richidoo Wrote: Skunk, right on about the remote. Phil, I will try the GV software today. The Tact is digital input only. I am using it as preamp with SB volume cranked. So far, I have not been able to tweek the Tact to sound as transparent as SB connected analog straight to the amp. If

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread chyc
Hello, New to this forum with newly purchased SB3. Some are talking about alternative software for TacT - namely Good Vibrations. Where can I get it ? Is it a free software ? -- chyc chyc's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread Phil Leigh
Probably best to find the Yahoo TACT forum for that..If you get really stuck I can supply the GV.exe by email. you need to start with the .tim files from the normal TACT software measuring process..GV takes those as input to create new curves. If there is any loss of transparency via the TACT in

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread opaqueice
rbl Wrote: Surely, for someone using a squeezebox (or similar) there is a poor man's solution. Just get some appropriate software to play the calibration sounds from your Squeezebox, listen to them with a Behringer mic, and then get some software to run the conversion on the FLAC files. I

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread mauidan
Phil Leigh Wrote: Probably best to find the Yahoo TACT forum for that..If you get really stuck I can supply the GV.exe by email. you need to start with the .tim files from the normal TACT software measuring process..GV takes those as input to create new curves. If there is any loss of

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-06 Thread azinck3
opaqueice Wrote: Is there such a thing? This seems like an excellent idea, especially for SB users who already have a computer as part of their system. And if there was any problem with real-time processing (which I agree there shouldn't be on a modern system), you could simply have a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-05 Thread Phil Leigh
sort of - provided one stays clear of the expander and other creative features... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-05 Thread azinck3
dwc Wrote: Poor man's TacT = Behringer DEQ 2496 + mic. Anyone have any experience with one of these? $300 sounds a bit better than $7000... -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-05 Thread Phil Leigh
my tact 2.2 was about $4k - and worth every cent/penny... I've used a fair few Behringer units in the past (in the studio) and whilst they are incredible value I'm not sure the 2496 is exactly a tact... -- Phil Leigh

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-05 Thread dwc
I did not mean to imply that the DEQ is as nice as the TacT in any dimension. I really did mean Poor man's - i.e. that this is a suggestion for someone who is never going to kick out the kilo-dollars for a Tact. They can still get semi-automated room correction entirely in the digital

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-05 Thread richidoo
Phil, I hope your wife is back by now, and I hope the cats are still pissed :) I have the Tact still here in the house, been playing with it to get used to it, see if it is really for me. No doubt it improves the clarity, and I smile big when I hit the preset. But it seems to add some kind of

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-05 Thread 95bcwh
richidoo Wrote: BTW. The Tact dealer, Hometheaterdoc.com, Shane Sangster was knowledgeable and met each question with confidence while he ran the calibration. Shane is a good guy, very willing to help. I'm going to get a Tact from him soon :) -- 95bcwh

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-05 Thread Phil Leigh
yeah the remote is tacky - but I never use it! Rich - are U using the tact between sb dac? (or between sb and amp?) -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-04 Thread Michel Fombellida
Hi, it is perhaps worth mentioning that TacT has now a new RCS model called 2.2XP. The main difference is that the correction process doesn't need a PC anymore (all done inside the RCS unit) and it also implements what they call Dynamic Room Correction where the level of correction varies

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-03 Thread Phil Leigh
Rich - it depends if you use the TACT software or the Good Vibrations alternative - and you certainly CAN boost frequencies - if you want to. Just tried something I haven't done for a long time - turned the RC off...it does sound louder with RC on although the SPL meter says otherwise. In my

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-02 Thread azinck3
Phil Leigh Wrote: In the same way that the sound changes slightly as you move around the room, the TACT correction is only accurate in your normal listening position - however, in practice it works rather well regardless of listening position... Understood...yet there are DSP's used in the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-02 Thread azinck3
Phil Leigh Wrote: Yes agreed, but those systems are crude by comparison. They seem pretty sophisticated to me (see a solution from Meyer Sound here: http://www.meyersound.com/616/) but as I said, I don't know a lot about these things. But back to the FIR filters: does anyone know much more

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-02 Thread Phil Leigh
azinck3 Wrote: They seem pretty sophisticated to me (see a solution from Meyer Sound here: http://www.meyersound.com/616/) but as I said, I don't know a lot about these things. But back to the FIR filters: does anyone know much more about these and how they compare to what the TacT can

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-02 Thread azinck3
Phil Leigh Wrote: Well - they are sophisticated in some ways - but not in the way we'd appreciate! Pro sound reinforcement is a whole different bag of spanners... Haha, no kidding... Phil Leigh Wrote: and yes, FIR filters is part of the TACT proposition - some people will disagree

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-01 Thread Phil Leigh
Hee Hee - that's what I've been banging on about - once you've heard what RC does there's NO going back...and it's not trickery, just the plain old appliance of science! Nice one Richidoo! -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-01 Thread tomsi42
That was a nice way to spend a weekend. But in the end it will be much more expensive than mine - going to rock festival in Denmark! -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-01 Thread rbl
Was interested in your experience of the rcs 2.2, which is something I'd also like to get a demo. One question though. If the frequency response deviates by 10db (an absolute minimum in most setups), then a 100W amp would have to have an output of 1000W at that -10db point, and I'd hate to think

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-01 Thread seanadams
rbl Wrote: Was interested in your experience of the rcs 2.2, which is something I'd also like to get a demo. One question though. If the frequency response deviates by 10db (an absolute minimum in most setups), then a 100W amp would have to have an output of 1000W at that -10db point, and

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-01 Thread jbm0
rbl Wrote: One question though. If the frequency response deviates by 10db (an absolute minimum in most setups), then a 100W amp would have to have an output of 1000W at that -10db point, and I'd hate to think how the speakers would react. So can it really flatten the frequency response and

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-01 Thread Phil Leigh
This is quite compicated stuff, but basically you don't let the TACT actually boost anywhere by +10dB - you shift the baseline 0dB down by several dB so that it only actually boosts by 3-4 dB...there is some degree of compromise in this but it's generally felt to be an OK trade-off... IF you've

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-01 Thread rbl
That's very helpful - thanks. It sounds like it just gets the frequency response several dB better rather than going the whole way, which is reasonable. And I guess it improves phase response a lot and therefore stereo imaging. As always the bottom line, as you say, is to have a go with one which

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-01 Thread azinck3
Forgive me if this is a dumb question: I'm not that familiar with the TACT units, nor do I know all that much about room correction. Can most of the functionality of the TACT units be duplicated with a FIR filter? If so, this thread really motivates me to start re-exploring getting FIR working

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB/Tact/NuForce

2006-06-01 Thread rbl
I don't know about FIR filters, but as a very basic overview the TacT room correction aims to get the sound at the listening position to be the same as what is on the CD. The TacT processor is calibrated by putting a mic at the listening position whereupon it plays and listens to various sounds