Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-23 Thread cliveb
Themis;498431 Wrote: > Clipped signal contains DC, no ? Of more importance in this context is the approximately square wave nature of clipped signals - DaveWr has already explained that. I suppose the flat-top of a clipped waveform can be considered to be a momentary burst of DC. If it was flatt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-23 Thread DaveWr
Cliveb is right Clipped midrange / bass frequencies, tend to produce square like waveforms, therefore from Fourier Series, must contain significant high frequencies. Many loudspeakers, even supposedly high power only have 6 watt rms handling tweeters. Also some specialist designers run tweeters

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-23 Thread Themis
cliveb;498404 Wrote: > Clipped waveforms contain serious amounts of high frequencies). Clipped signal contains DC, no ? -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Cyrus 8xp - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: htt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-23 Thread Phil Leigh
cliveb;498404 Wrote: > Even if you've got attenuation set (by whatever means), you have to be > careful with test tones. Music doesn't contain that much energy at high > frequencies, so tweeters have quite low power handling capability. If > you play a high frequency signal at full volume, then c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-23 Thread cliveb
Phil Leigh;498152 Wrote: > Most power amps don't have level controls on them... hence the need for > either attenuation or a pre-amp. > > If you have a power amp with level controls, then yes that's fine. Even if you've got attenuation set (by whatever means), you have to be careful with test to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-22 Thread Phil Leigh
kphinney;498089 Wrote: > I'm a tad unsure about the above. If an unattenuated Transporter is > hooked directly to the amp and the amp's volume is set such that the > loudest volume on the TP is within comfort range isn't that the same as > attenuating the TP? > > This is how I had mine for the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-22 Thread kphinney
Phil Leigh;497213 Wrote: > ... > Did you have any attenuation between TP and Power amp?. > If you went through a pre-amp you should have been OK unless you had > the volume up very high. > > If you are running into a poweramp with no attenuation, that is a > non-supported setup as a bug in the v

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-22 Thread Tante Cor
Hi all, I had the transporter connected to a Mark Levinson 336 directly, with no pre-amp in between. Before the transporter I used a wadia 850 with digital volume control, that's why I have no pre-map. This experience forces me to get one. Fortunately the repair of the speakers wasn't that costly

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-21 Thread Phil Leigh
cliveb;497547 Wrote: > I remember about 17 years ago I was checking how high I could hear using > a test CD and was pleasantly surprised to find that (in my mid 30s) I > could hear the 18kHz tone. So I tried 20kHz but heard nothing. > > Then I took my brain out of gear: "perhaps if I turn it up

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-21 Thread cliveb
pfarrell;497216 Wrote: > It doesn't even have to be full range. Its trivial to blow out tweeters > with test tones, since most of us can't hear all that well up in tweeter > territory. I remember about 17 years ago I was checking how high I could hear using a test CD and was pleasantly surprised

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-20 Thread Robin Bowes
On 20/12/09 07:46, Pat Farrell wrote: > Phil Leigh wrote: > >> In this case, putting a nice full range sine wave through your speakers >> will often kill them pretty quickly if the amp vol is high... > > It doesn't even have to be full range. Its trivial to blow out tweeters > with test tones, s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-19 Thread Pat Farrell
Phil Leigh wrote: > Tante Cor;496114 Wrote: >> The problem is I blew up the >> midrange units of my speakers when I tried it > > You have my sympathy - that could be an expensive repair. And mine too. Drivers for any speakers that audiophiles will listen to are usually very expensive repairs.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-19 Thread Phil Leigh
Tante Cor;496114 Wrote: > Hi Neil, > > yes, i did, but that's not it. Logitech support claims it's not a > documented function in the transporter. The problem is I blew up the > midrange units of my speakers when I tried it, now they want me to show > them this function. > > Regards, > > Tante

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-19 Thread ghostrider
Browsing can be costly. :p -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72639 _

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-19 Thread kphinney
Tante Cor;496114 Wrote: > Hi Neil, > > ... The problem is I blew up the midrange units of my speakers when I > tried it... > So we shouldn't play with this, eh? -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-18 Thread Tante Cor
Gizek, much obliged for this info. Tante Cor -- Tante Cor Tante Cor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34936 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72639 ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-16 Thread gizek
Yeap, it's kind of tricky one: Put Transporter into setup mode - press and hold left arrow until you see set up networking Scroll down to: Current settings > Factory Test > Audio Tests Here you find some audio tones. There is also hidden message under Current Settings > Firmware info. Just pre

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-16 Thread Tante Cor
Hi Neil, yes, i did, but that's not it. Logitech support claims it's not a documented function in the transporter. The problem is I blew up the midrange units of my speakers when I tried it, now they want me to show them this function. Regards, Tante Cor -- Tante Cor

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-15 Thread badlyread
Hi Tante Do you mean the Network Tests under Settings>Information>Network Test? Regards Neil -- badlyread badlyread's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20233 View this thread: http://forums.slimde

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiotests in menu of transporter

2009-12-15 Thread Tante Cor
Hi everyone, when browsing around on the menu of the transporter I found 6 audiotests. Now i can't find it anymore. Does anybody know under which menuoption they are located? Thanks. regards, Tante Cor -- Tante Cor Tant