Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Flarm have dead ended on efforts to get personal identification so far. If anyone gets an email from the spammers directly, can you send all the header info to me and I will pass it on. > On 6 Mar 2016, at 3:23 PM, m...@mals.net wrote: > > Someone must have the IP ADDRESS to tracert them.

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 6 Mar 2016, at 2:30 PM, Richard Frawley wrote: > http://flarm.com/statement-by-flarm-technology-about-recent-unsolicited-emails/ > > Smells like bullshit. http://flarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/FLARM-Syste

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

At 07:45 PM 3/6/2016, you wrote: On 6 Mar 2016, at 2:30 PM, Richard Frawley <rjfraw...@gmail.com> wrote: http://flarm.com/statement-by-flarm-technology-about-recent-unsolicited-emails/

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Mike, thats sounds pretty hypocritical coming from you. You of all people should be honest in acknowledging the challenging business economics that are apparent in serving what is a tiny community. Flarm have done a great job over the many years supplying a reliable, life saving product that

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On Mar 7, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Richard Frawley wrote: > Flarm have done a great job over the many years supplying a reliable, life > saving product that cost less than some of your Varios. That doesn’t give them a right to a monopoly. > Like you Mike, they have every right to protect their IP and

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 12:09 PM, Mark Newton wrote: It is not possible for a consumer to vote with their wallet, because no matter where they send their money, FLARM skims the cream. It isn’t a competitive market, it’s a restraint of trade. Not a good argument to make. This exact same scenario plays o

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

>>Standards are ROUTINELY open Except if they are national or international standards. If we want to make something to conform to many standards including ISO and CE, we must pay for the standards document in the first place to learn the standard. IGES and GIF are both standards, but one has to

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

As pointed out by your friend Mike earlier, you are incorrectly barking up the wrong tree. There is nothing stopping anyone from having a go a producing at equivalent product for $10 that is better and could easily replace every Flarm on the planet with their own solution. In time, this might

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On Mar 7, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Justin Couch wrote: > On 7/03/2016 12:09 PM, Mark Newton wrote: > >> It is not possible for a consumer to vote with their wallet, because no >> matter where they send their money, FLARM skims the cream. >> >> It isn’t a competitive market, it’s a restraint of trade.

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 1:42 PM, Mark Newton wrote: Protecting the text of a standard under copyright and making it purchasable, is not the same thing as making the standard unimplementable without paying license fees, and you know it. Reputable standards bodies insist on open royalty free patent licensi

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On Mar 7, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Justin Couch wrote: > > On 7/03/2016 1:42 PM, Mark Newton wrote: >> Reputable standards bodies insist on open royalty free patent licensing >> these days. The ones that don’t are slowly marginalizing themselves. > > Incorrect. I've been involved in the ISO standards

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

FLARM's idea of licensing is for you to produce identical hardware to run their proprietary software on.[1] There is no standard, open or closed, to license and implement. This really doesn't have any bearing to the ISO standards writing process, except in how dissimilar it is. As for the encrypti

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Amusing and tangentially relevant - FLARM licenses their prediction engine from ONERA http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=6438492&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP http://www.onera.fr/en/news/flarm-aircraft-collision-avoidance-system-gliders On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Matthe

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Hi Matt, Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? Sent from my iPad > On 7 Mar 2016, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: > > FLARM's idea of licensing is for you to produce identical hardware to run > their proprietary software on.[1] There is no standard, ope

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Hi Matt, Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? Are you thinking wool, beef or cropping ? On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Optusnet wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 7

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

I guess crops could be harvested with gliders using ground effect... perfect practice for comp finishes at Lake Keepit, etc Thanks & Regards, Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Bob Dircks wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Jus

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

it gets to be a moot point. Unless someone wants to make a cheap enough and open version of comparable quality such that we all change over, then Flarm will continue to charge a reasonable amount sufficient to keep their business running and protect their business accordingly. that's consistent

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

That's a joke .no? On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Optusnet wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 7 Mar 2016, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Scutter > wrote: > > FLARM's idea of licensing is for you to produce

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

peanuts > On 7 Mar 2016, at 3:20 PM, Bob Dircks wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? > > Are you thinking wool, beef or cropping ? > >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Optusnet wrote: >> Hi Matt, >> >> Just out of interest what wo

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

You are making far too much profit out of miniOZ Richard☺ On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Richard Frawley wrote: > peanuts > > On 7 Mar 2016, at 3:20 PM, Bob Dircks wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? > > Are you thinking

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Yep I deserved that, just one little L missing. Must have been the salt lost affecting my logic from pushing OJ five times a day for runway changes pre launch in January. Here goes again, Matt what would be your guess to setup and design a standalone reconfigurable FLARM type of system., I was

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 6:20 PM, Optusnet wrote: Matt what would be your guess to setup and design a standalone reconfigurable FLARM type of system., I was thinking about future ADSB,ACARS,AUTO MET, Outlanding advice , soaring spot tracker type of stuff? If we had one box that broadcast FLARM type stuff

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 2:49 PM, Mark Newton wrote: Then you’d know that RAND licensing is an area of active controversy, which some standards bodies have taken an active role in, particularly in the data communications space. RAND: Reasonable And Non Discriminatory. Commonly misconstrued by those out

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

scussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation Mike, thats sounds pretty hypocritical coming from you. You of all people should be honest in acknowledging the challenging business economics that are appare

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7 Mar 2016, at 7:58 PM, Justin Couch wrote: > So, dragging this back towards the topic again: Can the government mandate > open specifications that require royalty payments to implement Um, since when was that the original topic? We haven’t been talking about mandating of open specification

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7 March 2016 at 20:09, Mark Newton wrote: Now, I don’t care enough to write a letter to the ACCC about it, but maybe > someone else does. I think it’s worth raising. ​I am sure they are keen to hear it Mark :). Just the other day there was a report suggesting ACCC stated that whilst they are

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 7/03/2016 9:09 PM, Mark Newton wrote: We haven’t been talking about mandating of open specifications, except to the extent necessary to comply with existing consumer law. Theme and variations: can an entity have a specification with restricted licensing practices, possibly include cryptog

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Richard, I think Mark Newton already explained how the code and protocols are different things. He just told you again. As a supposed IT professional you know this so please stop with the bullshit. Nobody is asking Flarm to share the internal code that makes the device work. The first impl

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

So as someone who cannot program a shoebox, and understood less than 10% of the conversation 1 should we be advocating the removal of FLARM in Australian skies 2 do we need to change the Comp rules mandating FLARM JJ Sent from my iPad > On 8 Mar 2016, at 8:05 AM, Mike Borgelt > wrote: > >

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

do you know how many new Flarms are sold each year in Australia? on a Last 5 year average less than 20. I do feel you are both trying to solve a problem where there is nothing really to fuss about. to an earlier point you have both ignored, In time, new, very low cost anti collision devices w

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Mercy sakes. You guys are going to run me out of popcorn soon. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

exhausting! -Original Message- From: Simon Hackett Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 9:21 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation Mercy sakes. You guys are going to run me out of

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Yes, you are right. The drone anticollision problem will likely solve the issue once and for all. Don't hold your breath though. It has only been 20 years and ADSB still hasn't had universal rollout. Presumably it will be an open standard arrived at by international agreement(or disagreement

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Justin Couch , For most of the standards you talk about there are alternatives. Don't like Android? Use Linux or Windows. Some of you examples seem obsolete too. Firewire? Haven't seen that in quite a while. As I understand it the wi-fi thing is a straight out patent fight. Not so with Flar

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

  - Original Message - From: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." To:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Cc: Sent:Tue, 8 Mar 2016 09:51:44 +1030 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation Mercy sakes. You guys a

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

After been reading all the comments on this subject I am really surprised to find we have around so many capable professionals on the topic and I wonder why nobody has came up yet with a more profitable and affordable solution to this issue to compite with companies that invest millions of dollar

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

Hi all, As an engineering student I independently came up with the concept as a final year project - then discovered FLARM had beaten me to it a few years earlier. As part of my research at the time I am confident I found promotional material where the FLARM protocol would be "released to the publ

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 08/03/2016, Andres Miramontes wrote: > After been reading all the comments on this subject I am really surprised > to find we have around so many capable professionals on the topic and I > wonder why nobody has came up yet with a more profitable and affordable > solution to this issue to comp

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

my final post on the matter. Flarm has been closed since its inception. there are 30,000 units installed it works. it's proven. it's trusted. it has done so for more than 12 years. it's saved many, many lives. the purchase cost is acceptable and very reasonable. support is good and it's free

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

On 8 March 2016 at 12:47, Al Borowski wrote: Open protocols brought us things like free email (imagine if each one > cost 5 cents to send!) > ​Right now I wish it was at least dollar:) Cheers Paul​ Cheers Paul ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-so

Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

At 12:47 PM 3/8/2016, you wrote: Hi all, As an engineering student I independently came up with the concept as a final year project - then discovered FLARM had beaten me to it a few years earlier. As part of my research at the time I am confident I found promotional material where the FLARM prot