[Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-21 Thread Robert Hart
Board members I have not received a single comment in support of the move to extend terms. Not one. I have, however, received quite a few comments actively opposed to it. Amongst those comments was the view that because the changes happen at an AGM which is generally attended by less than 5%

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-22 Thread Sean Jorgensen-Day
Robert, You may find that like many other members we simply don't really mind what the GFA does as long as we are allowed to continue flying and soaring in piece. If heaven forbid the GFA put in place something else that stops or limits our ability to fly. Say another rule that (and this is

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-22 Thread Tim Shirley
Robert, I'm inclined to agree with Sean. The structure matters only to the extent that it affects the outcome for members, and its not clear to me that a better outcome would necessarily result. I expect the same people - the ones who like to be involved in the political aspects of the spor

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-22 Thread Mike Borgelt
Well Sean, The GFA has put lots of things in place to limit or restrict our ability to fly. The whole concept of "supervision". The dual control check after rigging is another. Annual flight reviews when everyone else in recreational aviation in this country only requires them every 2 years

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-23 Thread McLean Richard
u, 23/4/09, Mike Borgelt wrote: From: Mike Borgelt Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." Received: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 6:41 AM Well

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-23 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 07:29 PM 23/04/2009, you wrote: "The current mob have halved the membership numbers while the population of Australia has gone up by 25%" Doesn't this part of the rant totally ignore every other possible factor? A clear worldwide decline due to increased competition for leisure time & decr

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-23 Thread McLean Richard
it easy & cheers, Richard --- On Fri, 24/4/09, Mike Borgelt wrote: > From: Mike Borgelt > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed > change to 8 years service limit from 5 years > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.&quo

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-23 Thread Dave Boulter
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Mike Borgelt < mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote: > > > I was in WA recently and was told at one club that "if people aren't > prepared to drive 3 hours each way they aren't dedicated enough to go > gliding." Makes a mockery of attempts to provide cheaper to r

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-24 Thread Mike Borgelt
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > Received: Friday, 24 April, 2009, 6:43 AM > At 07:29 PM 23/04/2009, you wrote: > > "The c

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-24 Thread DMcD
> Your tiny brain might like to contemplate the growth and success of other > branches of sport aviation since 1984. A goodly part of that can be ascribed > to getting regulation off people's backs. > > My "problem" with the GFA is that it wants to be a monopoly and write and > enforce the rules fo

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-24 Thread McLean Richard
> making excuses' is the only retort. Doesn't seem very > constructive to me. > > > > I haven't got time to address all your issues with the > GFA Mike! > > > > Take it easy & cheers, > > > > Richard > > > > --- On F

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-24 Thread Gus Stewart
> Oh dear. > > Nobody respects those who stoop to personal attacks Mike. Maybe you need > some counselling for that anger. > > No hard feelings, > > Richard > > --- On Fri, 24/4/09, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > > From: Mike Borgelt > > Subject: Re: [Aus-so

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-25 Thread Dave Boulter
Well I am part of the "new lot". I am probably the newest member of the Board. I did not go out seeking the role. Some people asked me to help work with NSW Gliding. I did that and circumstances ended up that I was the delegate to the Board for NSW. Give me a list of the things that you ALL are no

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-26 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 06:21 PM 24/04/2009, you wrote: I guess this translates as put up or shut up. DMcD Coming from one of the very few anonymous posters on this group, that really is funny. Going to tell us who you really are? Now go and explore the archive and see what I've written for alternative cours

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-26 Thread Mark Rowe
My 2c. If a change does not get made to the constitution all corporate knowledge will be lost by mandate every 2 years, (Thats Bad). Is the proposed alternative the right one, i am not sure of that either, i suggest that the President and VP should be rotated regularly just like the quote

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-26 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 01:37 PM 27/04/2009, you wrote: > Gliding is dying. I know of entire gliding clubs that had to cease > operations because of GFA rules. Having supervision and a CFI is NOT > a CASA requirement. One senior CASA person I spoke to about this > could not understand why GFA would make this a requi

Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed change to 8 years service limit from 5 years

2009-04-26 Thread Mark Rowe
way i do not work for the CASA anymore, so bring on the bagging. Cheers Mark > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:25:21 +1000 > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board members: TERM OF OFFICE - proposed >