Re: Idle comments was Re: BB newbie questions

2001-11-09 Thread jerrold poh
BB is as close to perfect as i'd want in a WM, but i do have one major gripe that i'd love to see fixed. The behaviour of ALT+clicking on the interior of a window. It only works when the Keyboard locks (Num, caps, scroll-lock) are off. I really wish that ALT+click would always bring the

Re: BB newbie questions.

2001-11-09 Thread Jason vanRijn Kasper
Umm. I'm not sure I agree with your statement, but that's beside the point. There's no way that fluxbox will ever make its way into blackbox. On 2001.11.08 23:07 Christian Dysthe wrote: Hi, I have Fluxbox running now. This is what BB would have been if it had been actively developed. I

Re: BB newbie questions.

2001-11-09 Thread Christian Dysthe
Hi, I was not saying that I thought it should be a part of Blackbox. My statements clarified: 1. This is what Blackbox would have been under continued development. I mean, what is added here is the keyboard support and a taskbar. Both these features has been offered as patches for BB on the

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2001-11-09 Thread Scott Moynes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bcc: Subject: Re: BB newbie questions. Reply-To: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Uptime: 12:31:53 up 2 days, 10:46, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.17, 0.16 * Christian Dysthe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi, I was not saying that I thought it should be a part of Blackbox.

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread Jason vanRijn Kasper
On 2001.11.09 12:44 Scott Moynes wrote: Blackbox used to include keyboard binding support, but it was pretty poor and would be more maintainable in a separate app. So, in short, fluxbox is the devolution of blackbox. This I completely agree with. Not to mention the fact that bbkeys is

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread Scott Moynes
\begin{logic} * Richard B Mahoney ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At best, this is poor logic. First, you appear to assume that the removal of key binding functions from a window manager is `development.' This is not necessarily so. Second, you also appear to assume that Fluxbox has poor key

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Scott Moynes wrote: When one compares the number of updates and changes to bbkeys and compares it to the number of updates and changes to blackbox in the last several months, one can see why it was a wise decision to remove Nothing wrong with providing several updates to

The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jamin W. Collins
Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Using lots of simple tools (versus bloatware) is not always the best, most stable, or easiest way. There have been a few people that have claimed this. However, I've yet to see any sound examples where the simple tools combined together for a task were not better at it

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jan Schaumann
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Using lots of simple tools (versus bloatware) is not always the best, most stable, or easiest way. There have been a few people that have claimed this. However, I've yet to see any sound examples where the simple tools

Re: Blackbox on iPAQ

2001-11-09 Thread Ben Harrison
It was until version 0.5. Now they use Ion I believe.. (I have it installed on mine, and just upgraded from 0.4) -Ben - Original Message - From: David S Cargo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: Blackbox on iPAQ I don't remember if

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread Scott Moynes
* Jeremy C. Reed ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Nothing wrong with providing several updates to blackbox. One way or another you choose to download and rebuild something. Not if you don't use bbkeys. Tell us about this thievery. I haven't looked at the fluxbox source -- does it give credit

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jamin W. Collins wrote: Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Using lots of simple tools (versus bloatware) is not always the best, most stable, or easiest way. There have been a few people that have claimed this. However, I've yet to see any sound examples where the simple tools

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Scott Moynes
* Jan Schaumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: standard-counter-example for=unix-way-argument Emacs. /standard-counter-example I don't think emacs violates this. It includes a whole bunch of lisp source files, that can be removed, and provide a bunch of small functions that can be chained

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Scott Moynes wrote: * Jeremy C. Reed ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Nothing wrong with providing several updates to blackbox. One way or another you choose to download and rebuild something. Not if you don't use bbkeys. True. Does anyone use blackbox without keygrab

RE: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Craig Thrall wrote: On that note, I see that bbkeys is viral GPL'd and our great blackbox is using the noble BSD-style license. As it is, bbkeys can not (should not) go back into blackbox. (Which is sad -- because I like bbkeys functionality, but I prefer it to be

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread gino peregrini
On Friday 09 November 2001 18:43, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: snip Does anyone use blackbox without keygrab support? Let's count :) I don't use keygrab. Not sure what I'm missing. Everything works fine. Gino -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ghazalpage.net

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jamin W. Collins
Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Public domain is great!!! I am glad you chose public domain; be sure your code says public domain. GPL is NOT public domain. Spend some time reading about GPL, public domain, BSD licensing. http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/bsd/license.html and search via google. So, you

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Scott Moynes
* Aaron J. Seigo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: some clarification regarding konqi: it isn't a monolithic bloatware app. konqi is a (very small) framework app wherein _every_ _single_ piece is a loaded part that does one thing, does it well (hopefully =), and interoperates with every other part

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jamin W. Collins
Jamin W. Collins wrote: So, you claim because enhancements/changes/derived works have to be given back to the public, the GPL is not Public Domain? Not following you here. Oops, I'll check myself before someone else does (hopefully). It would seem that Mr. Reed is correct. The term

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jamin W. Collins wrote: Public domain is great!!! I am glad you chose public domain; be sure your code says public domain. GPL is NOT public domain. Spend some time reading about GPL, public domain, BSD licensing. http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/bsd/license.html and

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jamin W. Collins wrote: quote Public domain software is software that is not copyrighted. It is a special case of non-copylefted free software http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#Non-CopyleftedFreeSoftware, which means that some copies or modified versions

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
I have heard this. But I have not seen it. Everytime I have installed konqueror, I (believe I) was required to also install a large amount of other QT and KDE libraries and components. kinda like how you need to install a kernel and glibc and a shell and all that other trash just to be able

Fluxbox Licensing

2001-11-09 Thread Jamin W. Collins
I've attempted to contact the author of Fluxbox to clarify the licensing concern over the Keys.cc file. It would appear that grab_defs.hh also bares the GPL license. Jamin W. Collins

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread jerrold poh
Does anyone use blackbox without keygrab support? Let's count :) I don't use keygrab. Not sure what I'm missing. Everything works fine. Just curios, how do you guys alt tab? How do you change desktops, or do guys just use the mouse? Personally, I hate taking my hands off the keyboard, and

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Alex Buell
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: I look forward to using a non-bloated konqueror. Feel free to point me to some docs that show how I can quickly install and use it without the QT and KDE baggage. (I guess this is similar to the projects that use the mozilla base.) [Off topic, I

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
hi.. tongue.in(cheek); So then just about any modern object-oriented or component based application should also be in the UNIX way. Everything from our dear blackbox all the way past konqi and mozilla through to Microsoft Office. :D not at all... konqueror is just a GUI within which all

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread xOr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Scott Moynes wrote: * Aaron J. Seigo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: some clarification regarding konqi: it isn't a monolithic bloatware app. konqi is a (very small) framework app wherein _every_ _single_ piece is a loaded part

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread xOr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Alex Buell wrote: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: I look forward to using a non-bloated konqueror. Feel free to point me to some docs that show how I can quickly install and use it without the QT and KDE

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Dave Price
standard-counter-example for=unix-way-argument Emacs. /standard-counter-example isn't unix a program that runs on emacs? aloha, dave

gtk

2001-11-09 Thread tp40
This is a bit off topic, but since so much has been said about GTK toolkit and how great it is, does anyone out there know if there's a program like bbconf (or old toolbox) that allows one to build gtk themes from GUI environment? I think GTK-BB combination is perfect ...

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread Fran
What version of bb? Fran :):):) On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:48, you wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 03:04:54PM +1300, jerrold poh wrote: Does anyone use blackbox without keygrab support? Let's count :) I don't use keygrab. Not sure what I'm missing. Everything works fine. Just

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread Richard B Mahoney
Dear Fran, On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:19:29PM +1300, Fran wrote: What version of bb? Fran :):):) Just curios, how do you guys alt tab? How do you change desktops, or do guys just use the mouse? [snip] For the curious 8-) Ctl + Alt + right arrow/left arrow or Ctl +

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Fran
Emacs is the OS, Linux is the device driver. Fran :):):) On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:58, you wrote: standard-counter-example for=unix-way-argument Emacs. /standard-counter-example isn't unix a program that runs on emacs? aloha, dave

Re: fluxbox, blackbox

2001-11-09 Thread Fran
Ahhh. So you're not using bb _without_ bbkeys. Fran :):):) On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:48, Richard B Mahoney wrote: Dear Fran, On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:19:29PM +1300, Fran wrote: What version of bb? Fran :):):) : Just curios, how do you guys alt tab? How do you change desktops,