Re: What is a homemaker worth?

2003-07-27 Thread Bryon Daly
From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The economic value of a stay-at-home spouse is closer to $30,000 a year. Our society doesn't place a high dollar value on a homemaker's work, and those who choose to stay home do so at their own economic peril. : The numbers that purport to show otherw

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 3:20 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct > > > At 07:51 AM 7/25/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: > > > -Ori

RE: SC2 Music (was Re: I have returned from paradise)

2003-07-27 Thread Bryon Daly
From: "Andrew Crystall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WinAmp is an awful MOD player. But basically think of a MOD file as a MIDI with it's instruments embedded rather than relying on those on the sound card. Before MP3's came in, I liked them because they allways sounded the same on any system (unlike MIDI'

Re: SC2 Music (was Re: I have returned from paradise)

2003-07-27 Thread Bryon Daly
From: "Andrew Crystall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm guessing that's Mod4Win referenced there. Working link to Mod4Win unlimited: http://pjeantaud.free.fr/mod4win/m4w-2_40.exe Yep, same program. I think the one referenced there is a bad install, as it's what 800K, the correct one is 2.4MB. My version

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 05:10 PM 7/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Kevin Tarr > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:26 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct > > > >A more accurate assessment seems to be that Enron u

RE: SC2 Music (was Re: I have returned from paradise)

2003-07-27 Thread Bryon Daly
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried to play the MOD files in my WinAmp 2.81 and I'm not sure if all sounds are as they should be but I heard some songs... Sounded rather synthetic but that's probably as designed? Yeah, they're what I'd generally call "Techno" music. I'm not sure how much they'd appe

Re: Arrgh!

2003-07-27 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power supply with a quiet fan? For the video card cooling, how about a blower fan that sits in a PCI slot next to the video card:

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan Minette wrote: But, we facilitated the change of government when the Shah was deposed, about 25 years ago. ??? By supplying hostages? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
> Worse in what way in 21st Century USA? Had them beaten? Had them lead > from the Capitol in chains and sent to Quantanamo with the rest of > the enemies of the US? The 19th century was, well the 19th century. > Has anything remotely like this happened in the 20th or 21st century > except in Texa

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia Thompson wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Actually, *my* point was I thought that Erik was being a bit cheeky, and I was trying to be cheeky right back at him. I think Erik got my post better than you did. I can't remember seeing such obvious sarcasm whoosh over people's

RE: Stargate: Atlantis

2003-07-27 Thread Gary Nunn
> Are you posting to the correct forum? I thought this was a political > message list. ;-) > Kevin T. - VRWC It WAS a political message It was subliminal... Didn't you get it? Gary You are getting sleepy Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/

Re: Stargate: Atlantis

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 12:04 AM 7/28/2003 -0400, you wrote: Read about this briefly in TV Guide today and found some stuff online. Most of the stuff online is dated 2001, but this article seems to be more recent... http://makeashorterlink.com/?D19B42865 Some older stories about this http://www.gateworld.net/new

Re: America in the Middle East, was: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "David Hobby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 9:55 PM Subject: America in the Middle East, was: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words > Dan Minette wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jon Gabriel wrote: the Bush administration recruited something like a dozen Enron employees for top-mid level positions so it isn't as if these people were strangers to one another. However to play devil's advocate, the administration could have bailed Enron out and opted not to do so. Just be

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:51 AM 7/25/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of pencimen ... > Enron _and_ the Bush administration. > > Or is that what you meant? Sort of. Except that there's some superset that

Re: Religion based ethics

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Russell Chapman wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: But doesn't the randomness of evolution begin to recede once you are actually aware of the evolutionary process and actively abet it? An animal with a successful adaptation is unaware of what that adaptation is, but a human with a successful innovati

RE: Stargate: Atlantis

2003-07-27 Thread Gary Nunn
Another Stargate article (mentions spin-off series) TV Guide: Stargate returns for Season Eight JULY 16, 2003 http://makeashorterlink.com/?G5AB26865 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Stargate: Atlantis

2003-07-27 Thread Gary Nunn
Read about this briefly in TV Guide today and found some stuff online. Most of the stuff online is dated 2001, but this article seems to be more recent... http://makeashorterlink.com/?D19B42865 Some older stories about this http://www.gateworld.net/news/archive/spinoffnews.shtml _

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Doug Pensinger wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > > Actually, *my* point was I thought that Erik was being a bit cheeky, and > > I was trying to be cheeky right back at him. I think Erik got my post > > better than you did. > > I can't remember seeing such obvious sarcasm whoosh over peop

Re: Genetic fractions, was Re: The Case for a Marriage...

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
David Hobby wrote: > > > > > David Hobby wrote: > > > > > > > > > The above would have been easier to state if we had general kinship > > > > > terms based on degrees of genetic relatedness. Sibling, parent and > > > > > child are all "halves". Grandparent, grandchild, aunt, uncle, niece, > > >

Re: Genetic fractions, was Re: The Case for a Marriage...

2003-07-27 Thread David Hobby
> > > David Hobby wrote: > > > > > > > The above would have been easier to state if we had general kinship > > > > terms based on degrees of genetic relatedness. Sibling, parent and > > > > child are all "halves". Grandparent, grandchild, aunt, uncle, niece, > > > > nephew, half-sibling, and so

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/27/2003 5:48:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > > Not to say that the Republicans look all that good in this, but it could > > have been worse. (And then the backlash would have been > > that much more, > > as well.) >

RE: Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:26 PM 7/27/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: >> Didn't the Iraqi Information Minister say that the total number of >> casualties was 100,000? > >Hilarious! > >Should we expect your next 'unimpeachable' source to be the Jon Lovitz' >"Tommy the Liar" character from SNL? If nothing else, I fi

Re: Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
Michael, The NY Times reports that the US was considering Iraq as early as 9/13/01. You seem to somehow imagine that Bush including Iraq in the "axis of evil" in January somehow was not a clear signal that the US intended to effect regime change in Iraq. Yet, by Presidents Day 2002, again while

RE: Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of John D. Giorgis > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 10:50 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words > > At 06:24 PM 7/27/2003 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: > >--- "John D. Giorgis" <[E

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 9:16 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct > > Jon Gabriel wrote: > > > > > No, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission under the Bush

RE: Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of John D. Giorgis > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:31 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words > > >Your suggestion that the left's inability to form an effective war plan > >agai

Goodbye.

2003-07-27 Thread Michael Harney
I'm sorry, I can't stay here anymore. I took an afternoon nap and had a nightmare. It was the last straw that pushed me over the edge. I've had many dreams about dolphins over the course of my life. Many pleasant, many unpleasant, but every dream I've had about dolphins since I rejoined has bee

America in the Middle East, was: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread David Hobby
Dan Minette wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "David Hobby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... > > No. We are dealing with a pathological minority, backed > > up by a large sector of public opinion in the Middle East. If > > we clean up our act, public opinion there will change. > > I'm in t

Re: Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:24 PM 7/27/2003 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: >--- "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm glad you brought this up, Michael, because the >> answer is between >> 100,000 and 200,000.Meanwhile, according to >> UNICEF, Saddam Hussein was >> kiilling around 5,000 people a day.

Conservative psychology

2003-07-27 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml "Four researchers who culled through 50 years of research literature about the psychology of conservatism report that at the core of political conservatism is the resistance to change and a tolerance for inequality, and that

Re: Religion based ethics

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dan Minette wrote: But doesn't the randomness of evolution begin to recede once you are actually aware of the evolutionary process and actively abet it? Then, its not really evolution. So once we become aware we are evolving, we stop evolving? As I pointed out, the aberrant behavior of the Iriq

Re: Arrgh!

2003-07-27 Thread Russell Chapman
Jan Coffey wrote: He then tried to build a a water cooler for it with a fishtank pump. The pump wonder ful design, supper neat to watch it go, but the pump was louder than the industrial fan. There are plenty of specifically designed watercooling systems designed for overclocked PCs, which just r

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia Thompson wrote: Actually, *my* point was I thought that Erik was being a bit cheeky, and I was trying to be cheeky right back at him. I think Erik got my post better than you did. I can't remember seeing such obvious sarcasm whoosh over people's heads the way Erik's comments did. Doug __

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Kanandarqu
>Erik wrote- >I think the article asks a good question, which is how the economy >can be modified to deal with these sorts of things. I think one of the deficits of this article is the potential population decline in the future. If you look at the trend of lack of replacement rate in many ci

Re: Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm glad you brought this up, Michael, because the > answer is between > 100,000 and 200,000.Meanwhile, according to > UNICEF, Saddam Hussein was > kiilling around 5,000 people a day. Of course, > the Left only cares > about people killed b

Re: Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Michael Harney
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 03:14 PM 7/27/2003 -0600 Michael Harney wrote: > >The war on Iraq wasn't about liberating Iraq, it wasn't about weapons of > >mass destruction or terrorism. It was entirely politically motivated. The > >republicans saw their approval failing afte

Re: When does it end? (RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words)

2003-07-27 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > We would then be at war for at least a decade. Does > that mean we can't criticize bush or the gop for > that long? Golly Which, of course, no one is saying, except those making indefensible criticisms and they trying to hide their partisan motivations behind a smoke

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So it really depends on who the "left" is. If you > are talking about moderate democrats and liberals, > their plan would have been much the same as Bush's > sans the alienation of the rest of the world and the > war on Iraq this year (maybe not; Some in Clinton's > w

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jon Gabriel wrote: No, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission under the Bush administration tried to stop California from fighting Enron with price caps and we can safely assume that this was in part because Enron was lobbying the Bush administration to do so as reported in AP: (http://www.nctim

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Kanandarqu
>Erik wrote- >Really? I have heard many people claim that "everybody talks" when >tortured. In the movies, the tortures that are applied seem so tame >and unimaginative. Perhaps I have an unusually sadistic imagination, >but I can imagine tortures that I don't think anyone could possibly >endure w

Re: Arrgh!

2003-07-27 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 03:36:28PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: > > > Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other > > ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power > > supply with a quiet fan? > > I think the

Re: Arrgh!

2003-07-27 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 03:36 PM 7/26/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: > > >--- Reggie Bautista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Bryon wrote: > > > >I think it'd be more fun > > > >to mount a jumbo AC fan on the side... :-) > > > > > > As long as either your hard drive or

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 07:34:35PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: > In that case, I think that I got Erik's post (both the cheeky and the > serious content) better than you did. No, you did not, JDG, based on your earlier comment which was exactly opposite. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: What is a homemaker worth?

2003-07-27 Thread Russell Chapman
Robert Seeberger wrote: (Overall, 13% of the nation's households include a stay-at-home spouse.) That's an amazing figure. I wonder what the figure was in 1953 or even 1963. I don't know about the US, but our TV ads for household products typically portray a traditional housewife - makes me thi

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
>> At 02:32 PM 7/25/2003 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: >> >Erik Reuter wrote: >> > >> >> You just insulted all bigots while trying to insult me! >> > >> >Personally, I'm prejudiced against bigots. >> >> Exactly. The point being that Erik is being wholly unproductive, uncivil, >> and unapologetic f

Justifying the War Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:14 PM 7/27/2003 -0600 Michael Harney wrote: >The war on Iraq wasn't about liberating Iraq, it wasn't about weapons of >mass destruction or terrorism. It was entirely politically motivated. The >republicans saw their approval failing after Osama Bin Laden evaded capture, >and, wanting some s

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:49 PM 7/27/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> QUESTION 1) The British inform us that they have learned that Iraq has >> recently tried to acquire significant quantities of intelligence in Africa. >> >> The Bush Administration naturally tries to verify this claim, but cannot >> do so

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/27/2003 5:48:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Not to say that the Republicans look all that good in this, but it could > have been worse. (And then the backlash would have been > that much more, > as well.) Worse in what way in 21st Century USA? Had

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:40 PM 7/27/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Uhhh because finding WMD's was considered a very nice way of deterring >> criticism of the war? >> >so in your mind it is ok to use WMD to deter criticsm even if the threat >of WMD (at least nuclear) was unsubstantiated. Good grief, yo

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:33 PM 7/27/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I wonder if the republicans in congress would have really elected bush >if a recount of the vote in florida showed that Gore had won by a few thousand >votes. You can wonder all you want - except that we now know that no such result would hav

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 05:43 PM 7/27/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > We do not know the result of a popular vote in which every vote would count. > Under those outlandish circumstances (each individual's vote counts the same > regardless of where it was cast) Bush might have gone after votes in populous > state

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 04:48 PM 7/27/2003 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: >I'd have to agree with John here. There's a definite difference in >degree, if not kind, between trying to have someone arrested and >actually inflicting that kind of bodily damage. And its unclear that "arrest" is even the proper word to describ

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
> > QUESTION 1) The British inform us that they have learned that Iraq has > recently tried to acquire significant quantities of intelligence in Africa. > > The Bush Administration naturally tries to verify this claim, but cannot > do so. They tell the British that we can't verify their claim.

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
> > QUESTION 1) The British inform us that they have learned that Iraq has > recently tried to acquire significant quantities of intelligence in Africa. > > The Bush Administration naturally tries to verify this claim, but cannot > do so. They tell the British that we can't verify their claim.

Re: When does it end? (RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words)

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/25/2003 10:22:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > 1) The establishment of a secure, viable and independent Palestine > alongside Israel. > > 2) Regime change in Iran, Syria, Lybia, Saudi Arabia, > Egypt, and the DPRK We would then be at war for at leas

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/25/2003 9:28:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I think that's Gautam's point. If, as you seem to agree, the Left is > simply incapable of coming up with a coherent war plan against terrorism, > then the Left is inherently unqualified and unworthy to h

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
> Uhhh because finding WMD's was considered a very nice way of deterring > criticism of the war? > > so in your mind it is ok to use WMD to deter criticsm even if the threat of WMD (at least nuclear) was unsubstantiated. So it was therefore ok to lie to the american people about the real pu

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/25/2003 9:09:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The fact that a Committee Chairman in the House is making > that tradeoff in a way that the minority disagrees with is hardly new. > Thus, I know that I am not a hypocrite, as you accuse, because Democratic

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/25/2003 8:54:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Eh, probably not. I have an almost reflexive need to point out the > truth - and ultimately I consider this growing urban legend that the USSC > somehow changed the outcome of the 2000 election

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:51 AM 7/25/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of pencimen ... > Enron _and_ the Bush administration. > > Or is that what you meant? Sort of. Except that there's some superset that they're both part of, which

RE: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:24 AM 7/27/03 -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote: While there is an element of hysteria in this article, I too find the American fascination with automating *everything* disturbing. However, I find it disturbing for an additional reason. First off, I agree that it seems that no one has really thou

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 27 Jul 2003 at 15:59, Julia Thompson wrote: > Also, how much longer will Moore's Law hold? It gets to where part of > what's making things faster is that the size of components on a chip > are shrinking; there's some finite limit to that beyond which > shrinking is impossible. Then we have to

RE: I have returned from paradise

2003-07-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
That would have been #1 on my list . . . Here's the address for info and to find out how to download it: <> The function we are describing is found under Image | Resize/Resample. At 04:08 PM 7/27/03 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would propose Irfanview, which has

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
John Garcia wrote: > > On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 11:50 AM, The Fool wrote: > > > > > Friday browncoat republicans in the house of representatives called the > > police to arrest and remove democratic representatives from a library > > in > > the house of representatives. The future is here

RE: [Listref] Space Elevators Maybe Closer To Reality Than Imagined

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Robert Seeberger > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Listref] Space Elevators Maybe Closer To Reality Than Imagined > > http://www.spacedaily.com/news/materials-

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/25/2003 1:08:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Uh, didja forget? Gore *did* win -- the vote, anyway. > Just not the office > that usually goes with it. I am not one who thinks that Gore won. The popular vote does not determine the final result and

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 03:59:52PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > How much progress has been made on the visual processing problem in > the last 20 years? What is the current rate of progress? How many > people are working on this? I can't answer most of this, but I do know that computer vision

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 04:06:42PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > Wow! That's quite a list! > > Now, who *should* be allowed to reproduce, in your opinion? Did I miss someone? > And what happens if someone reproduces and *then* gets an SUV They have a choice: SUV or junior? Could be a tough ch

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/24/2003 11:47:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If your criticism is that Bush said "learned" instead of "informed us that > they believe", then who is being pedantic and mincing words > here? The criticsm is that this is a weasally way of saying some

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 7/24/2003 11:43:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Didn't they used to duel on the floors of Congress? > > Sounds like classic ingomious political chicanery to me. Sounds more like republican arrogance to me. Now the perpetrator (chairman of the House W

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Michael Harney
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 07:52 AM 7/24/2003 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote: > >Setting aside sarcasm now... I think that you may be mistake in *expecting* > >the left to come up with a coherent war plan against terrorism. > > I think that's Gautam's point. If, as you seem to a

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 02:32 PM 7/25/2003 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: > >Erik Reuter wrote: > > > >> You just insulted all bigots while trying to insult me! > > > >Personally, I'm prejudiced against bigots. > > Exactly. The point being that Erik is being wholly unproductive, uncivil, >

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Kevin Tarr > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:26 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct > > > >A more accurate assessment seems to be that Enron used exorbitant, > >unfair fees to blac

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "David Hobby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words > No. We are dealing with a pathological minority, backed > up by a large sector of public opinion i

Re: The Case for a Marriage Ammendment to the Constitution

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 03:51:27PM -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote: > > > 2) You condone a law that would prevent 62 million American citizens > > from being able to get married and have children? How ironic. > > Apparently you only support freedom of speech, not freedom of t

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: > > This may tag me as some kind of Luddite, but I find it appalling that > people can't wait to excise as much human contact from their lives as > possible. I know people that would rather eat nails than actually > have to go to the bank for three whole minutes. No one's time

Re: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: > > http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm > > Robotic Nation > > by Marshall Brain > The Vision Thing > One of the key capabilities limiting robotic expansion at the moment is > image processing -- the ability of robots to look at a scene like a human > does and detect a

Re: Genetic fractions, was Re: The Case for a Marriage...

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
David Hobby wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > David Hobby wrote: > > > > > The above would have been easier to state if we had general kinship > > > terms based on degrees of genetic relatedness. Sibling, parent and > > > child are all "halves". Grandparent, grandchild, aunt, uncle, niece

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
A more accurate assessment seems to be that Enron used exorbitant, unfair fees to blackmail California consumers and threatened to withhold power if they weren't paid. >From an article in the SF Chronicle, quoted on corpwatch.org: http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=2530 Jon Right, s

A Murder of Crows.....(mild list reference)

2003-07-27 Thread Medievalbk
It is 100 degrees outside. What else is there to do but sit at the computer and have the TV on. I did not know what the movie A Murder of Crows was about. >Spoiler< -yawn- After the talk on this list.well,... .as soon as Cuba's character put his name to a novel he didn't write

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 03:28:08PM -0400, David Hobby wrote: > If we clean up our act, public opinion there will change. When it > does, most of the support for Al Qaeda will dry up. That's an interesting fantasy world you are describing. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread David Hobby
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 01:08 AM 7/25/2003 -0400 David Hobby wrote: > >> Why do you think that Osama bin Laden objects to the > >> same things about American foreign policy that you do? > > > > That's not a fair tactic in an argument. > > Actually, I think that it is the most salien

Re: What is a homemaker worth?

2003-07-27 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: > Insurance coverage takes a holiday > If you doubt the veracity of all this, just try to buy life or disability > insurance on a stay-at-home spouse. We did. Dan could get life insurance for me fairly cheaply through his job. So he did. I'm not sure what I'm insured fo

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Tarr > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:49 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct > > At 07:51 AM 7/25/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From:

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Kevin Tarr > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:40 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct > > At 02:13 PM 7/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >At 01:38 AM 7/25/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: > >

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 07:51 AM 7/25/2003 -0700, you wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of pencimen ... > Enron _and_ the Bush administration. > > Or is that what you meant? Sort of. Except that there's some superset that they're both part of, which I dar

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 02:13 PM 7/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: At 01:38 AM 7/25/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: >Then again, CA >Dems aren't coming across as geniuses in general these days. Did you >see the report yesterday about the CA state legislators (Dems again) who >were caught on tape suggesting that the state's fi

Re: Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 11:07 AM 7/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: > From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 01:23 PM 7/24/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: > >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/technology/24VOTE.html?ex=1059710400&en = > >d989a69c518293a6&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE > > > >Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud,

[Listref] Space Elevators Maybe Closer To Reality Than Imagined

2003-07-27 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/materials-03w.html Space elevators have an image problem, mainly due to two prominent science fiction novels. They appear either ungainly impossible, or so potentially dangerous to the planet itself you would never dream of building one. With the science now indicati

Re: Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say

2003-07-27 Thread The Fool
> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 01:23 PM 7/24/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: > >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/technology/24VOTE.html?ex=1059710400&en = > >d989a69c518293a6&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE > > > >Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say By JOHN SCHWARTZ > > Woul

Re: TI interpreation of QM

2003-07-27 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: Re: TI interpreation of QM > > - Original Message - > From: "Reggie Bautista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

RE: SC2 Music (was Re: I have returned from paradise)

2003-07-27 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 27 Jul 2003 at 17:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I tried to play the MOD files in my WinAmp 2.81 and I'm not sure if > all sounds are as they should be but I heard some songs... Sounded > rather synthetic but that's probably as designed? WinAmp is an awful MOD player. But basically think of a

Re: SC2 Music (was Re: I have returned from paradise)

2003-07-27 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jul 2003 at 22:10, Jim Sharkey wrote: > > Bryon Daly wrote: > >http://home.comcast.net/~bryon.daly/M4win240.zip > >http://home.comcast.net/~bryon.daly/SC2_MODS.ZIP > > The installer for M4win20 doesn't seem to be working. Any > suggestions? I'm guessing that's Mod4Win referenced there. W

RE: SC2 Music (was Re: I have returned from paradise)

2003-07-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
Armin Freiberg wrote: >I tried to play the MOD files in my WinAmp 2.81 and I'm not sure if >all sounds are as they should be but I heard some songs... Sounded >rather synthetic but that's probably as designed? Yeah, that's how they are supposed to sound. I actually got the MOD player up and r

Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:04:49AM -, pencimen wrote: How about Dustin Hoffman getting holes drilled in his teeth in Marathon Man? I had forgotten about that one. Did he talk? I think he didn't know anything, right? No, he was completely in the dark. Doug _

RE: SC2 Music (was Re: I have returned from paradise)

2003-07-27 Thread A . Freiberg
I tried to play the MOD files in my WinAmp 2.81 and I'm not sure if all sounds are as they should be but I heard some songs... Sounded rather synthetic but that's probably as designed? Regards Armin > -- > From: Jim Sharkey[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply To: Killer Bs Discuss

RE: Robotic Singularity

2003-07-27 Thread Jim Sharkey
While there is an element of hysteria in this article, I too find the American fascination with automating *everything* disturbing. However, I find it disturbing for an additional reason. First off, I agree that it seems that no one has really thought this automation thing through. I still t

RE: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words

2003-07-27 Thread Nick Arnett
I would agree, if I thought you were saying that the government should never be entirely, or even mostly, in the hands of the Left. I'd say the same about the Right. It seems quite clear to me that diversity and criticism (of the positive kind) have been proven to be the most effective means of a

RE: I have returned from paradise

2003-07-27 Thread A . Freiberg
I would propose Irfanview, which has a nice Batch Process utility and is freeware for private use (I use it for my shkrinking of images for the website)... Regards Armin > -- > From: Ronn!Blankenship[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply To: Killer Bs Discussion > Sent: Frei

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