Dan Minette wrote:
It's that SS
payments are tied to an index that has gone up faster than the cost of
living for 70 years...
Except that that's not true.
Nick
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JDG wrote:
Sure, the Social Security Administration has government bonds, but if
Congress were to pass a law establishing the Social Security Retirement
Age as 80, then a good portion of those bonds wouldn't be a darned
thing.
Until the next election cycle, that is.
--
Doug
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- Original Message -
From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: What Social Security (and Its "Reform") Say About America
> Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > I think he got that from:
> >
> >
> >
> >>If so, why do w
- Original Message -
From: "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: 1864 US Union election
> Many thanks to Julia for the official definition of the border states
> as Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri, and for telling
JDG wrote:
Nick, it is not just that the Social Security Administration is required by
law to give its surpluses to the Federal Government to spend, it is also
the reverse side of the coin - the fact that Social Security's obligations
are backed by the Federal Government as well... all of which is
At 12:34 PM 2/17/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Gary Denton wrote:
>
>> This goes beyond being wrong. The "trust fund" is separate
>> bookkeeping in the SS administration showing how much they take in and
>> where they have invested their income.
>
>Exactly. The asset change per year is simple -- reve
At 11:45 AM 2/17/2005 -0600, Gary Denton wrote:
>> Social Security cannot accumulate any excess revenues, be they assets,
>> investments, etc. All current revenues that Social Security cannot spend
>> on current benefits are mandated by federal law to be spent by the federal
>> government.
>Mali
As Gary Denton said, its
Long been known that *slight* radiation exposure does appear
beneficial - it is very unclear by what mechanism.
Many years ago, probably in the 1960s, I read that the mechanism was
supposed to be from slight challenges to the immune system. I don't
know whether t
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Dan Minette wrote:
>
> >I think he got that from:
> >
> >
> >
> >>If so, why do we need to continue increasing the cost cost of future
> >>social security payments faster than cost of living increases?
> >
> >
> >Who says we do? We haven't in the past.
>
Dan Minette wrote:
I think he got that from:
If so, why do we need to continue increasing the cost cost of future
social security payments faster than cost of living increases?
Who says we do? We haven't in the past.
Perhaps I don't know what Erik meant in that sentence above. Here's how I read
Many thanks to Julia for the official definition of the border states
as Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri, and for telling us that
West Virginia, which was clearly `on the border', voted in the Union
elections.
Thanks also to Dan Minette for the count from those states that voted,
althoug
> There is an old adage that `those who do not study history are bound
> to repeat it.'
Dave Land referred us to Santayana -- I inherited Santayana's `Life of
Reason' from my father who had read it; but I never did.
Dave said
The adage originates with George Santayana, the Spanish-American
- Original Message -
From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: What Social Security (and Its "Reform") Say About America
> Erik Reuter wrote:
>
> > your
> > proclamation that future social security paymen
Erik Reuter wrote:
your
proclamation that future social security payments do not increase
faster than cost of living).
Where do you come up with this stuff?
Nick
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From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Social Security Facts:
>
> No, but I would suggest that proposals while there are GOP majorities
> in the House and Senate and a GOP President
From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Enterprise Cancelled
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:23:34 +
On 8 Feb 2005, at 7:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote:
From: William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
That's a cover of 'Common Peopl
* Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Exactly. The asset change per year is simple -- revenue in minus
> costs and benefits out. The fact that the federal government has some
> siphons attached to the cash flow spigot doesn't change the fact that
> this number has been increasing. The latt
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:14:53 -0600, Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:15:13 -0800 (PST), Damon Agretto
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Still, unlike Bush I can see a few good things he
> > > has done in the
> > > military so he is not an unmitigated disaster.
> >
>
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:15:13 -0800 (PST), Damon Agretto
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Still, unlike Bush I can see a few good things he
> > has done in the
> > military so he is not an unmitigated disaster.
>
> Just curious what good things?
The Pentagon is a giant sluggish bureaucracy always fi
> Still, unlike Bush I can see a few good things he
> has done in the
> military so he is not an unmitigated disaster.
Just curious what good things?
Damon.
=
Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:23:50 -0800 (PST), Deborah Harrell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I did see, in a Frontline program about Saudi Arabia,
> a snippet from an Arabic comedy show which had a
> professor* going to the gov't to complain about 3
> other professors* who were 'too religiously strict' -
Gary Denton wrote:
This goes beyond being wrong. The "trust fund" is separate
bookkeeping in the SS administration showing how much they take in and
where they have invested their income.
Exactly. The asset change per year is simple -- revenue in minus costs and benefits out. The fact
that th
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:11:03 -0330, Travis Edmunds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion
> >To: Killer Bs Discussion
> >Subject: Re: Bill Moyers: There is no tomorrow
> >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:09:51 -0700
> >
> >On Feb 1, 20
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:09:32 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:05 PM
> >
> >There have been studies that show that tumors in mice increase
> >when they
> >are
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:41:34 -0800, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I keep forgetting... Are we at war with Eurasia or East Asia today?
>
> Dave
"Oceania was at war with Eurasia: Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia.."
--
Gary Denton
Easter Lemming Liberal News Digest
- I think B
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:34:46 -0600, Dan Minette
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If we don't cut the rise in benefits, we'll have to keep on increasing the
> % of GDP that goes to SS. We've done a pretty good job reducing poverty in
> the elderly. We've done a terrible job with children. Why not slo
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:47:54 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> David Wessel, who is consistently one of the best economics columnists I
> have read, has an article in today's Wall Street Journal about what may
> be the Bush personal account plan (in reality, Bush hasn't released al
Dave Land wrote:
I told him that I'd met him and it was no big
deal: he's just an old guy who looks like Colonel Sanders.
Which, along which the remains of the accent he acquired growing up way back in the hollers of
Appalachia, led to an April Fool's issue of the student newspaper at the college
- Original Message -
From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Social Security Facts:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:32:15 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > * Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrot
Don't you hate it when people reply to their own messages?
While we're on the topic of not-learning-from-history,
consider this, from Hegel:
Rulers, Statesmen, Nations, are wont to be emphatically
commended to the teaching which experience offers in history.
But what experience and hist
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:32:15 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > I'll agree with Erik that the % of GDP going as payments to the
> > elderly should not increase. So, I'd go with a similar reduction in
> > the increase in benefits that was
Folks,
On Feb 17, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
There is an old adage that `those who do not study history are bound
to repeat it.'
The adage originates with George Santayana, the Spanish-American poet
and philosopher:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repea
- Original Message -
From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Social Security Facts:
>
> Nice summary, Dan. The plan you outline would be a huge improvement over
> what we have now. I'd definitely support s
David Wessel, who is consistently one of the best economics columnists I
have read, has an article in today's Wall Street Journal about what may
be the Bush personal account plan (in reality, Bush hasn't released all
the details, and I suspect he is playing a game where he will fiddle the
plan det
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:45:52 -0500, JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 07:48 AM 2/15/2005 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
> >Lest anyone be confused, Social Security's net assets have *increased*
> every year since 1982 and the
> > longer-term trend certainly has been so (see
> http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/
I keep forgetting... Are we at war with Eurasia or East Asia today?
Dave
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* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I'll agree with Erik that the % of GDP going as payments to the
> elderly should not increase. So, I'd go with a similar reduction in
> the increase in benefits that was agreed to in '83, with no overall
> increase in the projected taxes collected (altho
*'Liberal' Media Silent About Guckert Saga*
by Joe Conason [my comments]
The New York Observer February 16, 2005
Proof that "the liberal media" is but a figment of right-wing
mythology has now arrived in the person of one James Guckert, formerly
known as Jeff Gannon. Were the American media t
*'Liberal' Media Silent About Guckert Saga*
by Joe Conason [my comments]
The New York Observer February 16, 2005
Proof that "the liberal media" is but a figment of right-wing
mythology has now arrived in the person of one James Guckert, formerly
known as Jeff Gannon. Were the American media t
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:36:34 -0500, Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * JDG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > Republicans pretty well kept that from happening.) Now, paying down
> > the national debt would only really have benefited Social Security to
> > the extent that the overall ratio o
There is a wide range of agreement between Erik and myself on social
security. We do differ, but for the most part it is in the area of
projection and interpretation. The one area where we may have different
assumptions concerning the facts is in what happened with the 1983 reform.
Erik talked ab
- Original Message -
From: "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:15 AM
Subject: 1864 US Union election
> Here is an irregulars' question:
>
> In 1864, what percentage of those in or near insurgent areas
> voted in the US Union election
In another message, I talked about a Eurasian Alliance, one consisting
of France, Germany, Russia, central Asian countries, China, India,
Iran, perhaps other Middle Eastern oil producers, and perhaps other
Eurasian countries.
I mentioned that the United States could counter such an alliance by
sup
As I wrote on 27 Jan 2005, a Eurasian Alliance may be coming, one
opposed to the US.
Such a Eurasian alliance would consist of France, Germany, Russia,
central Asian countries, China, India, Iran, perhaps other Middle
Eastern oil producers, and perhaps other Eurasian countries.
The alliance parti
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Here is an irregulars' question:
In 1864, what percentage of those in or near insurgent areas
voted in the US Union elections?
The background is this:
There is an old adage that `those who do not study history are bound
to repeat it.'
My thought is that perhaps the
Here is an irregulars' question:
In 1864, what percentage of those in or near insurgent areas
voted in the US Union elections?
The background is this:
There is an old adage that `those who do not study history are bound
to repeat it.'
My thought is that perhaps the adage is misleading.
* JDG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Republicans pretty well kept that from happening.) Now, paying down
> the national debt would only really have benefited Social Security to
> the extent that the overall ratio of US debt to GDP might become so
> overly burdensome in the near future as to prevent
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