Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread David Land
"It’s one thing to put your faith in a religion founded by a real person who claimed divine revelation, but it’s something else entirely to have, as the scripture of your religion, a storyline that you know was made up by a very nonprophetic human being." "It’s a terrible thing, I suppose, for

Re: MENSA, Schmensa . . .

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 23, 2005, at 10:17 PM, Max Battcher wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: An investigation by Simone Shamay-Tsoory and colleagues shows that the ability to understand sarcasm depends on a carefully orchestrated sequence of complex cognitive skills in specific parts of the brain. _Well, that

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 24, 2005, at 1:37 AM, David Land wrote: "It’s one thing to put your faith in a religion founded by a real person who claimed divine revelation, but it’s something else entirely to have, as the scripture of your religion, a storyline that you know was made up by a very nonprophetic human

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Dave Land
On May 24, 2005, at 9:30 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Heh, quoth the Card: "As a religion, the Force is just the sort of thing you’d expect a liberal-minded teenage kid to invent." As opposed to Mormonism, which was invented by a conservative-minded teenaged kid, and therefore is True. OSC

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 5/24/2005 10:08:59 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Warren Ockrassa wrote: >OSC has absolutely no business critiquing anyone else's religion or > philosophy. Yeah. And he never explained why he gave Columbus a telescope, as well. Vilyehm ___

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 24, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Dave Land wrote: On May 24, 2005, at 9:30 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Heh, quoth the Card: "As a religion, the Force is just the sort of thing you’d expect a liberal-minded teenage kid to invent." As opposed to Mormonism, which was invented by a conservative-mi

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Damon Agretto
I think Mr. Card's main point was that Mormonism (as well as, I suppose, Islam, Christianity, et al) was at least intended to be taken seriously as a religion by Jos. Smith, while Jedism is just another sci-fi plot device gone horribly, horribly wrong. I think Orson missed the boat on the wh

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Dave Land
On May 24, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On May 24, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Dave Land wrote: I think Mr. Card's main point was that Mormonism (as well as, I suppose, Islam, Christianity, et al) was at least intended to be taken seriously as a religion by Jos. Smith, while Jedism is ju

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Mark
Warren, do you have a lightsaber? I am Mark - Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa To: Killer Bs Discussion Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas... Heh, quoth the Card: "As a religion, the Force is just the sort of thing

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 24, 2005, at 11:05 AM, Dave Land wrote: On May 24, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On May 24, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Dave Land wrote: I think Mr. Card's main point was that Mormonism (as well as, I suppose, Islam, Christianity, et al) was at least intended to be taken seriously

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 24, 2005, at 12:31 PM, Mark wrote: Warren, do you have a lightsaber? Let's see ... no, though I've got an old Darth Vader helmet, a more or less complete collection of the smaller-version TIE toys (fighter, bomber, advanced, etc.), several Eagles from Space: 1999 (Dinky versions) and

Re: Abortion Case Heads to the Supreme Court

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 23, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: John D. Giorgis wrote: In light of our recent abortion discussion, I'm wondering what some of the Brin-L'ers here think of the NH law requiring that parents of a minor be notified 48 hours before an abortion.Should this law contain an exc

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
> "d.brin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For Eps I & II I was very mild mannered. I urged > people to go matineee after waiting 2 weeks... but > otherwise enjoy the crap because it's GORGEOUS crap. > Lucas subsidizes 10% of the best artists on the > planet. > > This time tho... I just can't do

Re: Rational atheism?

2005-05-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
> Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... But of course > there are some things that are beyond the > possibility of proof as well. > So while I'd lean on the "not" I'd also have to > include the "probably" as opposed to "absolutely". > > Bleh. Heresies of any kind are sometimes so >

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Gary Denton
On 5/24/05, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 24, 2005, at 9:30 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > > > Heh, quoth the Card: > > > > "As a religion, the Force is just the sort of thing you'd expect a > > liberal-minded teenage kid to invent." > > > > As opposed to Mormonism, which was inve

Re: Abortion Case Heads to the Supreme Court

2005-05-24 Thread PAT MATHEWS
From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes -- once again there are exceptions which suggest that laws, which can't be created in such a way as to take into account all exceptions, can in enough circumstances cause sufficient suffering to lead to the conclusion that it would be best to eli

appealing to old style conservatives

2005-05-24 Thread d.brin
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This story was sent to you by: Nick Arnett> Related to DB's stories of officers being purged... Officers Plot Exit Strategy. This is just one example of how obstinate "conservatives" can be. Where, exactly, is th

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
> Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 5/24/05, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let us not disrespect one anothers' pink unicorns. Please...rose or lavender or even puce (although Teal is the One True Color)...but *not* pink!!! > My shrine to Buffy and Willow is helping me

Re: When I am an old Jedi I shall wield purple.

2005-05-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > When I am an old Jedi I shall wield purple > With a red cloak which doesn't go into battle, and > doesn't suit me. > And I shall use the Force on brandy and summer loves > And satin sandals, and say we can't stand talk > style Yoda... > But now we must have cloth

Re: Just call me Grampa

2005-05-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
> > Doug Pensinger wrote: > > As of 5:25 or so this morning. My daughter gave > birth to a healthy > > baby boy, 7 lb 4 oz., 20.5 in. Huzzah! And many happy evenings of plotting creative ways to spoil* him. *only just a little...:) Debbi Good News Maru __

[Health] Kudzu to reduce beer-drinking?

2005-05-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
That pesky vine might become a frat boy's best friend... (There have been several recent alcohol-overdose deaths here in CO colleges; not sure what if any legislation has been passed about the problem, but new laws/regulations have been proposed {at least one unworkable}.) http://www.msnbc.msn.co

[Listref] Truth in research publishing

2005-05-24 Thread Deborah Harrell
This is the second editor from the NEJM to call for increased transparency from drug companies WRT research/studies (A former editor did the same last year, IIRC.) [This website is based in the 'Research Triangle' of NC.] http://www.wral.com/aphealthandwellnewsnews/4521886/detail.html "Pfizer Inc.

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Jim Sharkey
Deborah Harrell wrote: >Please...rose or lavender or even puce (although Teal is the One >True Color)...but *not* pink!!! How about heliotrope? Or maybe fuschia? Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Robert Seeberger
Jim Sharkey wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: >> Please...rose or lavender or even puce (although Teal is the One >> True Color)...but *not* pink!!! > > How about heliotrope? Or maybe fuschia? > Open wide and say "Aaaavacado" xponent Flora Colors Maru rob

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Jim Sharkey
Robert Seeberger wrote: >Jim Sharkey wrote: >>Deborah Harrell wrote: >>> Please...rose or lavender or even puce (although Teal is the One >>> True Color)...but *not* pink!!! >> How about heliotrope? Or maybe fuschia? >Open wide and say "Aaaavacado" No, I prefer periwinkle. N

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:31 PM Tuesday 5/24/2005, Mark wrote: Warren, do you have a lightsaber? I am Mark You am a lightsaber? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:22 PM Tuesday 5/24/2005, Deborah Harrell wrote: > Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 5/24/05, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let us not disrespect one anothers' pink unicorns. Please...rose or lavender or even puce (although Teal is the One True Color)...but *not* p

Re: [Health] Kudzu to reduce beer-drinking?

2005-05-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:19 PM Tuesday 5/24/2005, Deborah Harrell wrote: That pesky vine might become a frat boy's best friend... By planting one next to a coed's bed. Clinging Vine Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
Jim Sharkey wrote: > Robert Seeberger wrote: >> Jim Sharkey wrote: >>> Deborah Harrell wrote: Please...rose or lavender or even puce (although Teal is the One True Color)...but *not* pink!!! >>> How about heliotrope? Or maybe fuschia? >> Open wide and say "Aaaavacado"

Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives

2005-05-24 Thread JDG
At 02:07 PM 5/24/2005 -0700, Dr. Brin wrote: >For example, that Bill Clinton's record was not just weirdly better - >by classic CONSERVATIVE values - but diametrically opposite to George >Bush's when it comes to: Your list would be far more persuasive if you had some outside definition of "class

Re: Abortion Case Heads to the Supreme Court

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 24, 2005, at 1:13 PM, PAT MATHEWS wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes -- once again there are exceptions which suggest that laws, which can't be created in such a way as to take into account all exceptions, can in enough circumstances cause sufficient suffering to lea

Re: Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives

2005-05-24 Thread Nick Arnett
On Tue, 24 May 2005 21:34:54 -0400, JDG wrote: ... > Of course, Bill Clinton's record on these things is only possible > thanks to the efforts of Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Phil > Gramm.If Bill Clinton's actual policies had been enacted over > Republican opposition, this would not

Re: Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives

2005-05-24 Thread David Brin
> Your list would be far more persuasive if you had > some outside definition > of "classic conservative values", rather than just > your say-so. Instead, > it seems like you are defining "classic > conservatism" as "political > positions favored by David Brin," which is wholly > unconvincing.

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Please...rose or lavender or even puce (although Teal is the One True Color)...but *not* pink!!! How about heliotrope? Or maybe fuschia? Jim Actually, Jim, it's spelled "fuchsia". It's named after a German botonist by the name of Fuchs. It's

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 24, 2005, at 8:22 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Actually, Jim, it's spelled "fuchsia". It's named after a German botonist by the name of Fuchs. Which, interestingly enough, means "fox". You'd expect him to be into animal evolution. Oh well. (And it's "botanist", FWIW. ;) -- Warren Ockr

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Warren Ockrassa wrote: On May 24, 2005, at 8:22 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Actually, Jim, it's spelled "fuchsia". It's named after a German botonist by the name of Fuchs. Which, interestingly enough, means "fox". You'd expect him to be into animal evolution. Oh well. (And it's "botanist", F

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:22 PM Tuesday 5/24/2005, Julia Thompson wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Please...rose or lavender or even puce (although Teal is the One True Color)...but *not* pink!!! How about heliotrope? Or maybe fuschia? Jim Actually, Jim, it's spelled "fuchsia". It's named af

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 24, 2005, at 8:48 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: It's a very common spelling mistake, one I made all the time until my mother the linguist told me the etymology of the word, and after that, I spelled it correctly. (Nothing like the threat of a repeat lecture!) Unlike, say, the number o

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:00 PM Tuesday 5/24/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On May 24, 2005, at 8:48 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: It's a very common spelling mistake, one I made all the time until my mother the linguist told me the etymology of the word, and after that, I spelled it correctly. (Nothing like the thr

Re: Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives

2005-05-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: At 02:07 PM 5/24/2005 -0700, Dr. Brin wrote: For example, that Bill Clinton's record was not just weirdly better - by classic CONSERVATIVE values - but diametrically opposite to George Bush's when it comes to: Your list would be far more persuasive if you had some outside definiti

Re: Just call me Grampa

2005-05-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Tue, 24 May 2005 14:54:21 -0700 (PDT), Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doug Pensinger wrote: > As of 5:25 or so this morning. My daughter gave birth to a healthy > baby boy, 7 lb 4 oz., 20.5 in. Huzzah! And many happy evenings of plotting creative ways to spoil* him. *on

Re: Revenge of the REAL George Lucas...

2005-05-24 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 24, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Unlike, say, the number of times he heard a play on his name repeated . . . What the fuchsia talking about? Exactly. Do you think it made him see red? -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/