On 28 Oct 2008 at 5:54, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 27 Oct 2008 at 20:23, John Williams wrote:
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So, your view of democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have
for lunch?
Nicely put.
Not really. This election is a flock of sheep
Dan M wrote:
After selling my house and resettling, I'm finally back to the point where I
can finish answers to old posts that the list (sorta) returned too.
So have you left the Houston area?
Doug
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Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 04:48 PM Monday 10/27/2008, Claes Wallin wrote:
[snip]
Modern version (and possibly a digression):
(1) If a country's government is forced out of the capital and loses
control of most of the country, is the area controlled by that
government still the original
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
More important to me than
ideology is leadership; the ability to inspire people, the ability to
pick qualified subordinates and delegate authority, coolness under
pressure, decisiveness and so on.
If only he were likely to lead us somewhere worth going,
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Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:08 AM
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Subject: Re: My contribution to the bail-out
Dan M wrote:
After selling my house and
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Whose money is McCain going to use to pay all those bad mortgages he
promised to take care of?
I'm not following your thought here. Government spending uses
taxpayer dollars. That is why government spending should be kept to the
bare minimum. Alas, few
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:55 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
If only he were likely to lead us somewhere worth going, rather than
into a future of wasting as much money as he can,
One of the ways in which Obama leads is that he resists the temptation to
question the motives of
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:30 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
I'm not following your thought here. Government spending uses
taxpayer dollars. That is why government spending should be kept to the
bare minimum.
So then how would we justify *any* government investments in roads,
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One of the ways in which Obama leads is that he resists the temptation to
question the motives of those with whom he disagrees. I see that you are
not thus encumbered.
LOL! Have you considered a career in comedy?
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So then how would we justify *any* government investments in roads, schools,
health care, defense and so forth?
Very carefully.
Do you oppose such investments?
Depends.
Without them, how can we be competitive as a nation?
I don't see any reason to be
On Oct 28, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Claes Wallin wrote:
To be sure, China is not the only interesting country in this aspect.
See East and West Germany, Czechia and Slovakia, the former
Yugoslavian
countries, the North and the South in the American Civil War etc. But
China is more interesting,
On Oct 27, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Let's adopt complex numbers in finance! Maybe in the next crisis
we will be discussing things like the banks (or whatever) were
negotiating 100 quadrillion i-dollars!
There's got to be a reference to the Mandelbrot set in there
somewhere
On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Then again, an armed society is a polite
society ..
Bruce,
We have found that in general Americans are the politest
people we have met.
They are also incredibly welcoming and friendly. We have
certainly
speculated if this was in part due
On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:30 AM, John Williams wrote:
Government spending uses taxpayer dollars. That is why government
spending should be kept to the bare minimum.
You (and countless others) have put forward this claim again and
again. It all depends on how you define bare minimum, which is
Bruce Bostwick wrote:
Hungary is the only country I know of which borders entirely on
land that used to belong to it.
Austria, Mexico, Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Italy, Peru ...
Alberto Monteiro
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Bruce Bostwick wrote:
Let's adopt complex numbers in finance! Maybe in the next crisis
we will be discussing things like the banks (or whatever) were
negotiating 100 quadrillion i-dollars!
There's got to be a reference to the Mandelbrot set in there
somewhere .. :)
You probably are
On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:24 AM, John Williams wrote:
I don't mind paying taxes
Do you voluntarily contribute more than is required by law?
Was going to reply to this earlier but was interrupted by some
technical difficulties ..
I probably would, actually, if I had more margin between my
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[rationalizations deleted]
and even if I were able to
contribute over and above what I'm legally obligated to, it would
basically just be wasted at the moment.
The system
doesn't work that way, so for now at least, I contribute what's
required and
On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:12 PM, John Williams wrote:
*huge* if that, in all the times we've experimented with laissez-
faire market capitalism, has never been borne out in reality. Do we
really need to do this one more time expecting different results, or
can we agree that there is a need to
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I believe that a government-run safety net is a social good to which
I am happy to contribute.
So you don't believe government spending should be kept to a minimum,
and you are happy to contribute. I'm curious, how much more than the
minimum required taxes do you
On Oct 27, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Lance A. Brown wrote:
Andrew Crystall said the following on 10/27/2008 8:40 PM:
On 27 Oct 2008 at 18:52, Lance A. Brown wrote:
William T Goodall said the following on 10/27/2008 7:23 AM:
Their could be highly efficient and competitive private militias
instead
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:33 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
So you don't believe government spending should be kept to a minimum,
and you are happy to contribute. I'm curious, how much more than the
minimum required taxes do you contribute to the government?
Why would it be fair
On Oct 27, 2008, at 11:35 PM, Dave Land wrote:
Perhaps I didn't call Congress because I am just so sick and tired of
a system that couldn't possibly care less about what I think that it's
just not worth the effort.
For what it's worth, I live in an area represented by two very pro-
corporate
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you seriously
suggesting that we should deregulate the entire financial system to
that extent?
There shouldn't be any arbitrary regulations imposed by the government,
which obviously has little clue of what regulations make for an efficient
system. I
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why would it be fair to contribute more?
Why would it be fair to force others to pay for what
you want?
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Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was able to continue to buy the same insurance that I had when I
was employed
Of course, if the government weren't providing perverse incentives to
the health care market, you wouldn't be locked into buying health care
from an employer.
I think catastrophic
On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:50 AM, John Williams wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why would it be fair to contribute more?
Why would it be fair to force others to pay for what you want?
It's not about what I want. Or what you want. It is about what WE
want, as expressed in the government that
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:50 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why would it be fair to contribute more?
Why would it be fair to force others to pay for what
you want?
Must you keep putting up the same straw man?
How about if we talk about
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's not about what I want. Or what you want. It is about what WE
want,
You may want it to be about what we want it to be about,
but that's not what I want it to be about. I want what I want.
If you don't like being forced to pay for what *I* want (to the
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:03 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Even worse, there are a bunch of absurd rules that make it
difficult for health insurance providers to compete on a national level,
and
so people who are unfortunate enough to live in certain states and not work
for an
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Must you keep putting up the same straw man?
As long as you keep pretending that you have the right to tell
other people that their wants and opinions are subordinate to
yours, you will keep tilting at straw men.
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let's not forget people like my daughter, who cannot get health insurance at
any price, due to a pre-existing condition.
Right. No doubt you are living in poverty in order to take care of your
daughter,
since her health care is so expensive.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Must you keep putting up the same straw man?
As long as you keep pretending that you have the right to tell
other people that their wants and opinions are subordinate to
yours, you will
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:56 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Right. No doubt you are living in poverty in order to take care of your
daughter,
since her health care is so expensive.
I guess I opened the door for that, since I offered a personal
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ooo, a straw man to defend the use of a straw man! A meta-straw man!
Quite a salve to the conscience to convince oneself that one's own opinions
are so important that other's can be dismissed out of hand, I imagine.
Otherwise, I'm getting off the merry-go-round.
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What, exactly, is your point?
Do you think other people should pay for your daughter's health
care while you should only contribute a small amount, even though
you could contribute much more?
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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:11 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What, exactly, is your point?
Do you think other people should pay for your daughter's health
care while you should only contribute a small amount, even though
you could contribute much
On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:53 PM, John Williams wrote:
As long as you keep pretending that you have the right to tell
other people that their wants and opinions are subordinate to
yours,
I'm sorry, what exactly makes you think is he doing that? Seeing a
pattern here (you've said this of me in
On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:11 AM, John Williams wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What, exactly, is your point?
Do you think other people should pay for your daughter's health
care while you should only contribute a small amount, even though
you could contribute much more?
This is
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I see that you're still sending messages uncontaminated by logic.
Ah, I see you have a new rationalization technique.
Instead of calling anything that disagrees with you a straw man,
now you simply define your opinion as logical, and by extension,
disagreement
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is *precisely* how private insurance works: everyone pays
a little bit so that anyone who has enormous expenses can be
taken care of.
Except that a person can choose whether to buy insurance. Not
so with paying taxes.
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm sorry, what exactly makes you think is he doing that?
When I wrote that I think I have a right not to have my wealth forcibly
taken from me to pay for what other people want, or anything similar,
he has responded with straw man. Or complicated
On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:26 PM, John Williams wrote:
I'm sorry, what exactly makes you think is he doing that?
When I wrote that I think I have a right not to have my wealth
forcibly
taken from me to pay for what other people want, or anything similar,
he has responded with straw man. Or
Dave Land wrote:
On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:11 AM, John Williams wrote:
Do you think other people should pay for your daughter's health
care while you should only contribute a small amount, even though
you could contribute much more?
This is *precisely* how private insurance works: everyone pays
On 27 Oct 2008, at 22:18, Julia Thompson wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/27/AR2008102700289.html?hpid=topnews
No time to comment myself, but I thought some folks might be
interested.
There's plenty of fodder in the article itself for commenting upon, I
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and every time
you've responded, you've gone right back to the assertion that
taxation is essentially theft of your wealth
Taxation is forcibly taking people's money. Literally, my choice is to
pay taxes or have my wages and bank accounts confiscated or
Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The larger the pool of participants in a health plan, the smaller
the cost to each participant in that pool.
If the participants are chosen randomly. Not so if the additional
participant is a high risk of an expensive health problem. Health
insurance is an
On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:13 PM, John Williams wrote:
What would make you think that I don't
believe you are entitled to an opinion?
Principle of reciprocity, since you've asserted the same about others.
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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm sorry, what exactly makes you think is he doing that?
When I wrote that I think I have a right not to have my wealth forcibly
taken from me to pay for what other people want, or
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Call it what you like, but it isn't rational discussion or argument.
Don't be so hard on yourself. You can occasional be rational.
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Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Principle of reciprocity, since you've asserted the same about others.
I'm not sure I followed that. Does that mean that because I implied that
other people seemed to believe that I was not entitled to an opinion, that
you assumed that I believed that you are
On Oct 28, 2008, at 10:51 AM, John Williams wrote:
Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's not about what I want. Or what you want. It is about what WE
want,
You may want it to be about what we want it to be about,
but that's not what I want it to be about. I want what I want.
If you don't like
Nobody has argued that taking other peoples' wealth by
force is acceptable.
That's what makes it a straw man. Putting words in
others' mouths. Etc.
Call it what you like, but it isn't rational discussion
or argument.
Nick
sarcasm, distortion and straw man arguments is what williams (if
Taxation is forcibly taking people's money.
Literally, my choice is to pay taxes, or have
my wages and bank accounts confiscated or
go to jail.
some types of government spending are less bad
can you be specific, john?
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To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: Redistribute the wealth
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[rationalizations deleted]
and even if I were
I see that you're still sending messages
uncontaminated by logic.
Ah, I see you have a new rationalization technique.
Instead of calling anything that disagrees with
you a straw man, now you simply define your
opinion as logical, and by extension, disagreement
with you is illogical.
On Oct 28, 2008, at 3:31 PM, John Williams wrote:
Principle of reciprocity, since you've asserted the same about
others.
I'm not sure I followed that. Does that mean that because I implied
that
other people seemed to believe that I was not entitled to an
opinion, that
you assumed
Quite a salve to the conscience to convince
oneself that one's own opinions are so important
that other's can be dismissed out of hand,
projecting again, john? another thing that you do...
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Let's not forget people like my daughter, who
cannot get health insurance at
any price, due to a pre-existing condition.
Right. No doubt you are living in poverty in
order to take care of your daughter,
since her health care is so expensive.
nick, i'm sorry to hear about your daughter
there are a bunch of absurd rules that make
it difficult for health insurance providers to
compete on a national level, and so people who
are unfortunate enough to live in certain states
and not work for an employer must pay ridiculously
high rates for health care.
what we need is a
It's not about what I want. Or what you want. It
is about what WE want,
You may want it to be about what we want it to be about,
but that's not what I want it to be about. I want what
I want.
If you don't like being forced to pay for what *I*
want (to the
extent that my one vote is
Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it is what you do, as i have pointed out ad nausem...
Keep up the good work!
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Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
did it ever occur to you that you are paying for
the enormous profits of health care providers and pharmaceutical companies?
why
does that not offend you?
For the same reason that you refusing to give me your land doesn't offend me.
Not
that I wouldn't
I believe that a government-run safety net is a social
good to which I am happy to contribute.
So you don't believe government spending should be kept
to a minimum,
and you are happy to contribute. I'm curious, how much
more than the
minimum required taxes do you contribute to the
Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what we need is a single payer health system, so people can afford heath care
and medications...
And so that the quality goes down and no good new drugs and procedures
are developed.
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One of the ways in which Obama leads is that he
resists the temptation to
question the motives of those with whom he disagrees.
I see that you are
not thus encumbered.
LOL! Have you considered a career in comedy?
have you considered a career as a wingnut talk show host? what do you
who is this country really in danger from? I say
the robber barons.
jon
Down with the robber barons! Up with the robber
comrades!
Please lighten up on John. He's cornered and his
messages sound like he's becoming unglued.
Dave
like i said, he needs to take his meds~)
jon
a lot of people called congress, against the bailout,
but the people who didn't are the sheep and are
largely those who buy into the war and
straw man attacks against obama.
I doubt very much that you actually know
what was in the hearts and minds of every
person who did not happen
On 28 Oct 2008 at 10:59, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM, John Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Must you keep putting up the same straw man?
As long as you keep pretending that you have the right to tell
other people that their
On 28 Oct 2008 at 16:05, Jim Sharkey wrote:
Dave Land wrote:
On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:11 AM, John Williams wrote:
Do you think other people should pay for your daughter's health
care while you should only contribute a small amount, even though
you could contribute much more?
This is
On 28 Oct 2008 at 13:18, John Williams wrote:
Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The larger the pool of participants in a health plan, the smaller
the cost to each participant in that pool.
If the participants are chosen randomly. Not so if the additional
participant is a high risk of an
On 28 Oct 2008 at 9:48, John Williams wrote:
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you seriously
suggesting that we should deregulate the entire financial system to
that extent?
There shouldn't be any arbitrary regulations imposed by the government,
which obviously has little
Now that the American people have realized the
right-wing is batshit
crazy, you will hear a lot of bizarre stuff as they
desperately try to
stop their slide into total irrelevance. So pay
attention.
Yes, history has shown it is a lot easier to mistreat
people if you first
censor
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have
for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
the sheep stand up...
john brunner
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where do you fit in, john?
50% of taxpayers (by AGI) collectively pay for about 97% of
the total government spending, and the other 50% of taxpayers
only pay for 3%. I'm part of the 97% group.
ah, finally, a partial answer. so are you in the over $250,000 bracket?
jon
On 28 Oct 2008 at 14:57, John Williams wrote:
Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So what's your take on the system being used in the Netherlands, with
particular reference to its elimination of Adverse Selection?
So you don't in fact understand many of the alternatives to the
American
Umm, actually Who is John Galt? is sort of the
catch-phrase of the
book. I was about to write it myself, but Jon beat me to
it. :-)
/c
sort of like kilroy was here...
jon
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Hi Jon and thank you for your kind words.
Australians are as xenophobic as Americans in a generalist
sense. It was
only with the recent change in government that an apology
for the treatment
of our Aboriginal people was being formulated. The apology
may have been
made by now, but if that
Not sure what you are talking about. But the Dutch
seem to be doing the bailout thing, too.
Straw man. Health insurance is not banking.
AndrewC
Dawn Falcon
the domino effect?
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The phrasing being used strongly suggests he's using a
bot to reply,
incidentally. It's the repetitive, slightly-nonsensical
repitition of
the same point of view regardless of the content being
replied to.
AndrewC
wow, i didn't know that was possible!
say it ain't a con, john!~)
jon
what we need is a single payer health system, so
people can afford heath care and medications...
And so that the quality goes down and no good new drugs and
procedures are developed.
false assumtion, john. we are the wealthiest country in the world. look at
all the waste in the defense
Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So you don't in fact understand many of the alternatives to the
American system, right.
Not sure what you are talking about. But the Dutch seem to be doing the
bailout thing, too.
Straw man. Health insurance is not banking.
I guess you did not
At 04:47 PM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
i have no idea how much of our taxes go to bureaucratic waste,
unnecessary wars, and bailing out crooked brokers, but i have heard
as much of 90%.
From where have you heard that?
(IOW, please provide a cite to the source.)
. . . ronn!
At 04:48 PM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 28 Oct 2008 at 9:48, John Williams wrote:
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you seriously
suggesting that we should deregulate the entire financial system to
that extent?
There shouldn't be any arbitrary regulations
At 10:20 PM Monday 10/27/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
Mostly that was just a weird story that leaves you going Huh?, but
false analogy is used a lot. One of the best ones was popular some years
back, before the Republican party descended into
At 10:43 PM Monday 10/27/2008, John Williams wrote:
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not original to me. Maybe Benjamin Franklin? Or at least I think I've
seen him credited with it, whether or not he actually said it.
Good memory. It sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it. The source
At 01:47 AM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Claes Wallin wrote:
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
[snip]
Which specific country[ies] are you thinking of which changed in
1949 and 1972?
The Chinese Nationalist Party of the Republic of China were driven to
Taiwan by the Chinese Communist Party in 1949, and
At 01:03 AM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Andrew Crystall wrote:
At least in America this time there's an actual difference in the
candidates platforms.
The question is not whether there is a difference between the
platforms of the two candidates and their parties but whether there
will be any
At 09:28 AM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Dan M wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:08 AM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: My contribution to the bail-out
At 11:12 AM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
On Oct 27, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Let's adopt complex numbers in finance! Maybe in the next crisis
we will be discussing things like the banks (or whatever) were
negotiating 100 quadrillion i-dollars!
There's got to
At 11:13 AM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Dave Land wrote:
I understand the need personally, having had a child who died from
brain cancer, the medical costs of which would have wiped out most
or all of our wealth. Were it not for a generous manager at Hewlett-
Packard, who suggested that my wife go on a
At 11:22 AM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:24 AM, John Williams wrote:
I don't mind paying taxes
Do you voluntarily contribute more than is required by law?
Was going to reply to this earlier but was interrupted by some
technical difficulties ..
I probably
At 01:11 PM Tuesday 10/28/2008, John Williams wrote:
Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What, exactly, is your point?
Do you think other people should pay for your daughter's health
care while you should only contribute a small amount, even though
you could contribute much more?
How much should
At 03:47 PM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote:
- Original Message -
From: John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: Redistribute the wealth
Bruce Bostwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 04:04 PM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
there are a bunch of absurd rules that make
it difficult for health insurance providers to
compete on a national level, and so people who
are unfortunate enough to live in certain states
and not work for an employer must pay
At 04:08 PM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
It's not about what I want. Or what you want. It
is about what WE want,
You may want it to be about what we want it to be about,
but that's not what I want it to be about. I want what
I want.
If you don't like being forced to
On Oct 28, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 11:22 AM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
On Oct 27, 2008, at 9:24 AM, John Williams wrote:
I don't mind paying taxes
Do you voluntarily contribute more than is required by law?
Was going to reply to this earlier but was
On Oct 28, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 03:47 PM Tuesday 10/28/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote:
- Original Message -
From: John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:31 AM
Subject: Re:
On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
Perhaps there are 300 million other reasons, none of
which is because I am a sheep, as you blithely assume,
that explain my fellow Americans' inaction.
you are absolutely correct, dave. i apologize, and should have not
made such a
On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Dave Land wrote:
What a kind reply to my (perhaps excessively) testy email. Thank you.
And honestly, one of the main reasons I did not do so was that I do
not presume to know more than my US Representative (Zoe Lofgren)
It is often still worth informing your
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