Re: An Inconvenient Truth

JDG wrote: I wrote: So what would be the point in tapping the ANWR? I'm not sure where this question comes from. I personally don't have particularly strong feelings either way about drilling in ANWR. I apologize for a poorly worded question. I didn't mean it as a comment on your politic

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

jdiebremse wrote: > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Do you believe we are near or past peak oil? > > I certainly haven't seen any evidence that we are *past* peak oil, > if indeed, there is such a thing. "Near" is, of course, an > ambiguous term. I've

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you believe we are near or past peak oil? I certainly haven't seen any evidence that we are *past* peak oil, if indeed, there is such a thing. "Near" is, of course, an ambiguous term. > > Because Middle Eastern oil is,

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

jdiebremse wrote: > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert G. Seeberger" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On 7/11/2006 8:48:13 AM, jdiebremse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >>> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" >>> wrote: but because every MW of wind power used is that many barrel

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert G. Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 7/11/2006 8:48:13 AM, jdiebremse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" > > wrote: > > > but because every MW of > > > wind power used is that many barrels of Middle Eastern oil

RE: An Inconvenient Truth

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:45 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: An Inconvenient Truth > > Dan Minette wrote: > > > > You shoul

RE: An Inconvenient Truth

Dan Minette wrote: > > You should still get great variation in power output. A 20 mph wind > has 64x the power of a 5 mph wind, and 8x the power of a 10 mph > wind. > Power = k v^3 ? I can't see this relation. Intuitively, I would imagine that the RPM of the generator is proportional to the

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

Robert Seeberger wrote: > > That is what I'm seeing too. I gather that the higher prices are > going to be with us for quite a while, so there may be opportunity > for the investments to be substantially paid off before oil prices lower. > This is not how most oil companies all over the world

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So what would be the point in tapping the ANWR? I'm not sure where this question comes from. I personally don't have particularly strong feelings either way about drilling in ANWR. If one wanted to make the case for drilling

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

John wrote: Let's say that increased use of wind power results in a decrease in the price of oil (this too is unlikely since little oil is used for electricity generation compared to coal and natural gas). This decrease in the price of oil, would cause a little less oil to be supplied. Howev

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: RE: An Inconvenient Truth >> >> >> >> I'm thinking I follow you here, but i

RE: An Inconvenient Truth

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Klaus Stock > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:18 PM > To: brin-l@mccmedia.com > Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Truth > > > Let's look at the automobiles. Big trucks,

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

On 7/11/2006 5:09:43 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Robert G. Seeberger wrote: > > > > But yes, you are correct. If enough alternatives to fossil fuels > > are > > used to generate power, then supply should increase and prices > > should > > lower to whatever

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

Robert G. Seeberger wrote: > > But yes, you are correct. If enough alternatives to fossil fuels are > used to generate power, then supply should increase and prices should > lower to whatever degree. I think any oil we don't buy will just go to > some other customerIndia or China frex. So it ma

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

On 7/11/2006 8:48:13 AM, jdiebremse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > but because every MW of > > wind power used is that many barrels of Middle Eastern oil we > won't > > need to purchase til later. > > Actually, this is unl

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tricity > > represents 40% of power consumption (.15*.4=.06). > > Question: How is that usefull if we are strictly talking about > electrical usage? Well, "An Inconvenient Truth" is about global warming. I was looking at all forms of fossil fuel usage. The impact of wind on CO2 wi

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but because every MW of > wind power used is that many barrels of Middle Eastern oil we won't > need to purchase til later. Actually, this is unlikely. Let's say that increased use of wind power results in a decrease in the

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So are you suggesting that, as it becomes more and more clear that > we _do_ have a very serious problem, that we should hold off on > doing anything about it while we research the idea that it's part > of a larger phenomenon?

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

d on the raising of the speed limit, even if statistics show a higher speed limit makes accidents more likely to happen. Yet any one storm and its aftermath can be presented -- as "An Inconvenient Truth" does -- as an example of what we're likely to experience in the future becaus

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:42 PM Subject: RE: An Inconvenient Truth > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>

RE: An Inconvenient Truth

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Robert Seeberger > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:01 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Truth > > > - Original Message - > From: &

RE: An Inconvenient Truth

At 09:27 AM Monday 7/10/2006, Dan Minette wrote: [snip] Fourth, optimistic projections by marketing need to be taken with a 100 kg bag of salt. One has to extend the time frame and cut the amount. My usual rule of thumb for something that's doable is multiply time by 2 and divide the promised

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: RE: An Inconvenient Truth > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

> Let's look at the automobiles. Big trucks, such as semi's and dump trucks, Why always automobiles? They are *not* the biggest source of air pollution (even though everybody tries to tell us so). Houses are. Funny thing about cars is also that they require catalytic converters, which generate N2

RE: An Inconvenient Truth

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dan Minette > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:27 AM > To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' > Subject: RE: An Inconvenient Truth > > > > Third, the sites you refer to

RE: An Inconvenient Truth

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Robert Seeberger > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:38 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Truth > > Some wind > > power will go in, and wind

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: An Inconvenient Truth > But, I'm pretty sure that this will not happen. Billions will go to > va

RE: An Inconvenient Truth

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:56 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Truth > > Ronn! wrote: > > > 1. "Odyssey is

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

Ronn! wrote: 1. "Odyssey is giving us indications of recent global climate change in Mars," said Jeffrey Plaut, project scientist for the mission at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, from <>; "If both Mars and Earth are experie

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

At 01:19 PM Sunday 7/9/2006, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:04 AM Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Truth > > 2. "From a meteorology p

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

- Original Message - From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:04 AM Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Truth > > 2. "From a meteorology point of view, these long-term changes can > be vi

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

- Original Message - From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:04 AM Subject: Re: An Inconvenient Truth > At 01:00 AM Sunday 7/9/2006, Doug Pensinger wrote: >>I urge you all to go see th

Re: An Inconvenient Truth

At 01:00 AM Sunday 7/9/2006, Doug Pensinger wrote: I urge you all to go see this movie. I know that for the most part the people on this list agree that global warming is a problem and that you already know most of the stuff Gore talks about, but I think the movie drives home the point that we