Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-28 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... It could be that The Atrocity Archives is best appreciated if you know a lot of theoretical computer science, so I'll withhold comment. Did Stross come from a CS background? When you say theoretical computer science, do you mean

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-26 Thread Richard Baker
Doug said: About sixty thousand pages of history, I'd estimate. Not nearly enough, anyway. Well that sounds like a hell of a lot to me. I've read a bit of American history, especially the Civil War, but I don't have the kind of command of the facts that you do on what you've studied

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-26 Thread Mauro Diotallevi
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Euan Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of enjoyable SF, the best I've read recently is The Ghost Brigades by John Scalzi. I liked Old Mans War (to which it is a sequel) but The Ghost Brigades is a startlingly good follow up into a differnet league. I

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-25 Thread Richard Baker
Doug said: But you must have read thousands of pages of history! About sixty thousand pages of history, I'd estimate. Not nearly enough, anyway. But the problem is the opportunity cost of reading the Baroque Cycle. In that number of pages I could get through, for example, the whole

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-25 Thread Martin Lewis
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:55 PM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: post-cyberpunk world before writing Cryptonomicom, a sort of Slashdot version of the 20th Century. Anathem is what Cryptonomicom would be if it covered the whole of Western civilisaton from Plato onwards. For someone

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-25 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: Max Battcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Um... that's the plot of the book. She's a sexbot designed for having sex with humans but there aren't any humans left to have sex with... Now I'm wondering what happened to all the humans. I'll definitely have to check it out now.

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-25 Thread John Williams
Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I liked it: http://www.strangehorizons.com/reviews/2008/09/anathem_by_neal.shtml Interesting review. I must admit this comparison would have never occurred to me: In fact, with its longeurs and constant debate, it occasionally resembles an unholy hybrid of

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
John Williams wrote: Um... that's the plot of the book. She's a sexbot designed for having sex with humans but there aren't any humans left to have sex with... Now I'm wondering what happened to all the humans. I'll definitely have to check it out now. Since I didn't read it, I don't

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-25 Thread Max Battcher
Alberto Monteiro wrote: John Williams wrote: Um... that's the plot of the book. She's a sexbot designed for having sex with humans but there aren't any humans left to have sex with... Now I'm wondering what happened to all the humans. I'll definitely have to check it out now. Since I

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Rich wrote: Doug said: But you must have read thousands of pages of history! About sixty thousand pages of history, I'd estimate. Not nearly enough, anyway. Well that sounds like a hell of a lot to me. I've read a bit of American history, especially the Civil War, but I don't have the

Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, but you eventually might not have an audience. If I wanted an audience, I wouldn't look for it here. So why be needlessly insulting? I don't do anything needlessly. Anyway, I bet this is something you want to talk about:

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread John Williams
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry no. Not any of the books Google finds with that title, nor the Stephenson novel with a similar title. I've read Cryptonomicon, which was O.K., if a bit long for the content. I skipped Crypto, I imagine I would have had the same impression as you.

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry no. Not any of the books Google finds with that title, nor the Stephenson novel with a similar title. I've read Cryptonomicon, which was O.K., if a bit long for the content. I skipped Crypto, I imagine I would have had the same

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, John Williams wrote: Anathem (I mistyped an -a before) is about 900 pages, but after the first 80 pages or so the action picks up and it did not drag at all for me. I'd say it is somewhere in between Snow Crash and the Baroque Cycle books as far as balance between

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread Richard Baker
David said: My favorites of his are the ones that start with The Atrocity Archives. Not everyone would come up with Lovecraftian computer science. I must read more Stross. At the moment all I've read was A Colder War, which I thought was great (and which is available for free online).

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread Martin Lewis
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anathem (I mistyped an -a before) is about 900 pages, but after the first 80 pages or so the action picks up and it did not drag at all for me. I'd say it is somewhere in between Snow Crash and the Baroque Cycle books as

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Martin Lewis wrote: Basically if you like Cryptonomicom plus Snow Crash you will like Anathem. OK, good to know -- I have something to really look forward to next week, then! :) Thank you very much, Martin. Julia

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread John Williams
Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] post-cyberpunk world before writing Cryptonomicom, a sort of Slashdot version of the 20th Century. Anathem is what Cryptonomicom would be if it covered the whole of Western civilisaton from Plato onwards. For someone who has read Anathem but not Cryptonomicon,

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread John Williams
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Probably from the cover? : ) Partly, and the blurb I read focused on the android sex element. Yes, I recommend it. Stross may not have the most polished writing, but the rest of his books are amazing. Okay, I've added it to my list. I'm not sure if I

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread David Hobby
Richard Baker wrote: David said: My favorites of his are the ones that start with The Atrocity Archives. Not everyone would come up with Lovecraftian computer science. I must read more Stross. At the moment all I've read was A Colder War, which I thought was great (and which is

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Probably from the cover? : ) Partly, and the blurb I read focused on the android sex element. Well, she's a fembot, she's SUPPOSED to have android sex. But yes, I had my doubts about the book at first. Yes, I recommend it.

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread Euan Ritchie
My favorites of his are the ones that start with The Atrocity Archives. Not everyone would come up with Lovecraftian computer science. I must read more Stross. At the moment all I've read was A Colder War, which I thought was great (and which is available for free online). I like

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread Jim Sharkey
David wrote: How about Saturn's Children? I just bought a buttload of books from SFBC, and that was among them. If people are interested in talking about it, I could move it up in the queue. I'm in the middle of re-reading _Watchmen_, which has held up very well over the past ~25 years. Jim

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread John Williams
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, she's a fembot, she's SUPPOSED to have android sex. Isn't that, ummm, speciest? DNA'ist? Why can't she have sex with a human? :-) Would that be Hamilton's _The Dreaming Void_? No, The Temporal Void, the sequel to Dreaming. amazon.co.uk should be

RE: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread Max Battcher
Well, she's a fembot, she's SUPPOSED to have android sex. Isn't that, ummm, speciest? DNA'ist? Why can't she have sex with a human? :-) Um... that's the plot of the book. She's a sexbot designed for having sex with humans but there aren't any humans left to have sex with... It could

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread John Williams
Max Battcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Um... that's the plot of the book. She's a sexbot designed for having sex with humans but there aren't any humans left to have sex with... Now I'm wondering what happened to all the humans. I'll definitely have to check it out now.

Re: Books, was Proper function..

2008-09-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
Richard Rich, who has some enthusiasm for reading the Baroque Cycle, but that enthusiasm is outweighed by being intimidated by the sheer number of pages. But you must have read thousands of pages of history! The Baroque Cycle seems to be very well researched, and its recreations of 18th