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>Since then, I've been seeing promises of competative electric cars. When
>gas prices were at $4.50/gallon, the premium for hybrids was withi
On Jan 23, 2009, at 12:00 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
> Since then, I've been seeing promises of competative electric cars.
> When
> gas prices were at $4.50/gallon, the premium for hybrids was within
> $1000
> of being a wash. But, now that prices are back close to $1.50
> (aroun
Doug wrote:
>Furthermore, because of concerns about climate change and unrest in
>the middle east, a prediction that batteries and cheap electric cars
>are going to be in great demand over the next several decades is a
>good bet.
I have no arguement against the concept that cheap batteries
Dan wrote:
>
>
> I googled for that and found nothing that hinted at that. Given China's
> only two priorities:
>
> 1) The government keeps total control
> 2) The economy keeps expanding
Excellent points Dan, but what you fail to see is how requiring electric
vehicles would accomplish both more
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Dan M wrote:
>
>
> Sure, it's been argued for a long time that Americans can do with a lot
> less. Let's say we do. The problem is that this argument doesn't hold for
> the Chinese, who are now the leading emitter of greenhouse gasses. My view
> was that the West had the money to buy a home r
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro <
> albm...@centroin.com.br> wrote:
>
> >
> > Why there are no natural gas cars in the USA?
>
>
> There are. I see them all the time around here. Some public utilities run
>
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> First, I got a "not there" when looking for the paper. S
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On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro <
albm...@centroin.com.br> wrote:
>
> Why there are no natural gas cars in the USA?
There are. I see them all the time around here. Some public utilities run
all their vehicles on compressed natural gas. Here in California, CNG
Dan wrote:
>
> But, let's just take 30. At $1.50/gal, that's 5 cents/mile. Lets say
> these
> cars are kept for 150k, which is on the high side...that's 7.5k for gas.
> The break even point, assuming CDs pay zero, with the MSRP discount, is
> close to $6.00/gal. And, that's comparing with a sm
Dan M wrote:
>
> Personally, I'd bet a beer that bioengineered fuels, that have >10x the
> efficiency of ethanol production will have a significant market share in 10
> years (say 10% of jet fuel), but electric cars will not be a significant
> player (>5% of cars sold worldwide in 2019) in that tim
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11electric.html?ref=autoshow
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/automobiles/autoshow/11SHOW.html?em
Ford
http://www.freep.com/article/20090111/BUSINESS03/90111045/1016/BUSINESS01/Ford+outlines+electric++hybrid+plans
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:14 PM
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>
>> The Tesla is not the best example one could use. I think
> The Tesla is not the best example one could use. I think the Heuliez Will
> is a better example of an electric vehicle that is just about there. The
> price should be around 27-34K (when it hits market) and the car can do 0
> - 60 in around 10 seconds with a top speed of 87MPH and has a range
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On 8 Jan 2009, at 01:21, xponentrob wrote:
> If one wants to make direct comparisons of a type of batteries
> capabilities,
> one has to go no farther than a hardware store or Lowes or Home Depot.
> I've been using cordless drills for a couple of decades. They were
> once
> using Ni-Cad batte
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> Behalf Of xponentrob
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> Behalf Of Lance A. Brown
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> Does it really matters? As long as the generat
Dan M wrote:
>
> and you'll see what I mean. We know that the energy density of gasoline is
> about 46 MJ/Kg. Compare this to the best, most expensive battery (Li ion),
> and we get a factor of 100. Electric cars are more efficient (90% vs 20%),
> so this gets down to a factor of 22 or so in pow
Dan M wrote:
>
> Look at
>
> http://www.allaboutbatteries.com/Battery-Energy.html
And if you RTFA, you'll see a not implausible argument made by Sherry
Boschertthat Cabasys is squelching the market for large-format NiMH
batteries:
> In her book, "Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge Ame
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> Behalf Of Bruce Bostwick
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:42 PM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two ye
On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:09 AM, xponentrob wrote:
> Most of the electrics are using Lithium Ion batteries and getting
> ranges
> similar to what you posit here. Indeed, several exceed 140 MPC,
> though they
> generally are high end and expensive.
> Altairnano Technology has batteries that will w
On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:05 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> Point being, as has been mentioned previously,
> there are some parts of the US at least where a
> vehicle such as described will not serve the
> need, or where one with those limitations might
> be enough for some trips but for which at leas
At 08:11 AM Tuesday 1/6/2009, Julia Thompson wrote:
>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
>
> > At 12:09 AM Tuesday 1/6/2009, xponentrob wrote:
> >
> >> xponent
> >> Watt?The Current News Is Shocking Mr Volta! Maru
> >> rob
> >
> >
> > Ohm, that's revolting.
>
>Sigh. You just can't resis
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Dan M wrote:
>
>
> How does an economy grow on momentum?
The mortgage industry managed to do it for a while.
Nick
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> At 12:09 AM Tuesday 1/6/2009, xponentrob wrote:
>
>> xponent
>> Watt?The Current News Is Shocking Mr Volta! Maru
>> rob
>
>
> Ohm, that's revolting.
Sigh. You just can't resist jumping into these pun threads, can you?
Julia
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Doug Pensinger wrote:
>
> On an SF list you forget Aerospace?
>
Aerospace is no longer future history, it's alternate history.
Alberto Monteiro
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On 06/01/2009, at 4:42 PM, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
> If there's biofuel technology that doesn't significantly impact the
> food stream as a source of motor vehicle fuel, then I'm all for it.
> I'm not anywhere near PC myself, and if there's a GMO solution that
> actually does provide a decent rate o
At 12:09 AM Tuesday 1/6/2009, xponentrob wrote:
>xponent
>Watt?The Current News Is Shocking Mr Volta! Maru
>rob
Ohm, that's revolting.
. . . ronn! :)
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From: "Bruce Bostwick"
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion"
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Dan M wrote:
>
>>> The few
>&
At 11:42 PM Monday 1/5/2009, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>The demand is there, make no mistake about it. As soon as a 100-mile-
>range battery powered car is available, there are plenty of people
Although there are still plenty of people who
live in places like the Western US where there is
nothin
On Jan 5, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Dan M wrote:
>> The few
>> productive industries we have in the USA now (the auto industry
>> springing immediately to mind) are in such sad shape -- in the auto
>> industry's case, from putting more energy into fighting a phase c
>> hange into a PHEV/BEV based market t
On Jan 5, 2009, at 5:52 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
>> The few
>> productive industries we have in the USA now (the auto industry
>> springing immediately to mind) are in such sad shape -- in the auto
>> industry's case, from putting more energy into fighting a phase c
>> hange into a PHEV/BEV
>
On 06/01/2009, at 2:55 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Charlie Bell wrote:
>
>>
>> On 06/01/2009, at 2:37 PM, Dan M wrote:
>>>
>>> You have now forced me into the following response by this action
>>> sir:
>>>
>>> I agree with you.
>>
>> Woohoo.
>
> Woo hoo?
Expression of d
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Charlie Bell wrote:
>
> On 06/01/2009, at 2:37 PM, Dan M wrote:
>>
>> You have now forced me into the following response by this action sir:
>>
>> I agree with you.
>
> Woohoo.
Woo hoo?
Julia
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On 06/01/2009, at 2:37 PM, Dan M wrote:
>
> You know you've now changed the subject from the original topic.
Conversational drift. Blame the viral load. Chewy phlegm. Yum.
> I was
> arguing, rather convincingly IMHO, that the US was not horrid and
> not about
> to fall.
Well, to drag it back
> -Original Message-
> From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of Charlie Bell
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:15 PM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
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On 06/01/2009, at 1:52 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
>
> On an SF list you forget Aerospace?
Yes! The world's first supersonic jetliner was American! The world's
largest passenger jet is American! The world's largest military
transport is... American!!!
No, wait.
;-)
Admittedly, the most succe
> On an SF list you forget Aerospace?
I thought of it and meant to include it; does that count for partial credit?
:-) Good catch.
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Dan wrote:
>
>
> I think that you and virtually every economist differ on what are the
> fundamentals. One fundamental is innovation. Another is productivity. US
> productivity has risen faster than other developed countries. The US is
> either the home or the main market for virtually all med
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Bruce Bostwick
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:37 AM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two ye
On 1/5/2009 12:26:56 PM, Bruce Bostwick (lihan161...@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
> Probably true, but
> don't let the Canadians hear you say that .. :D ..
> "Hey, you, down in the States, take off, eh?! Hoser!"
>
> (Bit of a sensitive subject up there, I hear.)
>
> On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Dan M
At 08:36 AM Monday 1/5/2009, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
>On Jan 4, 2009, at 9:13 PM, Dan M wrote:
>
> > And yet, you sing we're on the eve of destruction?
> >
> > Dan M.
>
>I guess part of my cynicism is frustration at having had to live in
>the wake of the Boomers most of my life, and survive on the sc
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:49 PM
> >> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
> >>
> >> On Jan 2, 2009, at 8:35 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
> >>
> >>>> From t
On 06/01/2009, at 9:41 AM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
>> It doesn't, indefinitely. And GDP is a poor measure, it really is.
>
>
> Even GDP per capita? Even after figuring in purchasing power
> parity? Is
> your arguement that per person income is not a good financial
> measure of
> the
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:48:53 +1100
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
On 06/01/2009, at 7:58 AM, Dan M wrote:
>>
>>> With a few minor exceptions, the
On 06/01/2009, at 7:58 AM, Dan M wrote:
>>
>> With a few minor exceptions, the USA is running largely on momentum,
>> which is finite.
>
> How does an economy grow on momentum?
It doesn't, indefinitely. And GDP is a poor measure, it really is. It
doesn't tackle the important stuff, like how man
On 06/01/2009, at 3:49 AM, Dan M wrote:
> Finally, I have a question for those from Oz. My understanding is
> that most
> of the population of Oz lives on the southern coast because the vast
> center
> of Australia is not a great place to put a lot of people. Is that
> accurate?
Yep. In f
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Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
> They are. In my haste in writing I was less precise than I wanted to
> -Original Message-
> From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of Bruce Bostwick
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:30 AM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two ye
Probably true, but don't let the Canadians hear you say that .. :D ..
"Hey, you, down in the States, take off, eh?! Hoser!"
(Bit of a sensitive subject up there, I hear.)
On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Dan M wrote:
> I know Canada is almost a suburb of the US, with most of the
> population livi
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> Behalf Of Wayne Eddy
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:23 AM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
On Jan 4, 2009, at 9:13 PM, Dan M wrote:
> And yet, you sing we're on the eve of destruction?
>
> Dan M.
I guess part of my cynicism is frustration at having had to live in
the wake of the Boomers most of my life, and survive on the scraps
they missed, when it seems the only response to my ge
) Discussion
>> Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2009, at 8:35 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>>> From the Wall Street Journal:
>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
>>>
>&g
On 05/01/2009, at 7:59 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
> Pedantic humour aside Dan's statement that "the US is far less densely
> populated than any other developed country" is plainly incorrect.
Oh yeah, blatantly. I was just being funny about the two you
mentioned, 'cause they're very densely populated
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To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion"
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
>
> On 05/01/2009, at 6:22 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
>
>> Surely C
On 05/01/2009, at 6:22 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
> Surely Canada & Australia are both far less densely populated than the
> United States?
He said developed country. The former of those you mentioned is a
developed southern border, and the latter, a developed coastline...
Charlie.
(Pedantic for h
Surely Canada & Australia are both far less densely populated than the
United States?
Regards,
Wayne Eddy
> The US is far less densely populated than any other developed country, its
> air and water suppliers are far less polluted than 40 years ago, and
> racism
> has fallen to the point where
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Bruce Bostwick
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 7:49 PM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Re: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two ye
On Jan 2, 2009, at 8:35 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
>> From the Wall Street Journal:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
>
>> As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of
>> U.S.
>> In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America
Alberto
>
> >
> > Clearly, the only solution is for the US to mount a massive attack on
> > all the countries listed in the article at once.
> >
> It's surprising that not a single piece of the future-former-USA went
> to Israel. Those conspiracy theorists are getting unimaginative.
>
Sheesh, don
David Land wrote:
>
> Right. As everyone knows, Mexico is a great power that is poised to
> take over the entire Southern tier of the United States. And those
> damned Canadians have been quietly biding their time since the
> American revolution, lying in wait for just the right moment to
> arrive.
Right. As everyone knows, Mexico is a great power that is poised to
take over the entire Southern tier of the United States. And those
damned Canadians have been quietly biding their time since the
American revolution, lying in wait for just the right moment to
arrive. And the European Union is so
Dan M. wrote:
>
>> As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.
>> In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America
>> 'Disintegrates' in 2010
>
> I read this a few weeks ago and got a good chuckle out of it. It shows
> than Americans aren't the only ones wh
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:17:07 -0800
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Subject: Scouted: U.S. to collapse in next two years?
>From the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
>As if Things Wer
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