At 11:16 PM 11/8/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>> Therfore, I do feel quite comfortable in saying that the comparison
>> doesn't hold.After all, nobody here says "I'm personally opposed to
>> killing
>> gays, but I don't want to impose my morality on other people by voting to
>> make killi
John wrote:
Therfore, I do feel quite comfortable in saying that the comparison
doesn't hold.After all, nobody here says "I'm personally opposed to
killing
gays, but I don't want to impose my morality on other people by voting to
make killing gays illegal."
I see how you rationalize it John,
At 11:02 PM 11/6/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>John wrote:
>
>> This is, of course, my point. Throughout human history one group of
>> humans has sought to define a nother group of humans that are "not like
>> us" in some way, as not having the full rights of humanity.In every
>> previou
On Nov 8, 2004, at 12:04 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
First they came for the single moms
and I did not speak out
because I was not a single mom.
Then they came for "welfare cheats"
and I did not speak out
because I was not on welfare.
Then they came for the ga
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First they came for the single moms
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not a single mom.
> Then they came for "welfare cheats"
> and I did not speak out
> because I was not on welfare.
> Then they came for the gays
> and I did not speak out
> becaus
On Nov 6, 2004, at 11:02 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
John wrote:
This is, of course, my point. Throughout human history one group of
humans has sought to define a nother group of humans that are "not
like us" in some way, as not having the full rights of humanity. In
every previous case, we have gone
criterion should be sentience, not any
physical paramaters.
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John wrote:
This is, of course, my point. Throughout human history one group of
humans has sought to define a nother group of humans that are "not like
us" in some way, as not having the full rights of humanity.In every
previous case, we have gone on to look with horror upon those who make
t
At 06:00 PM 11/6/2004 + Richard Baker wrote:
>> An a honest question for you, but its a doozy, if you choose to
>> accept it: How is this position morally different from being
>> "personally opposed to the killing of Jews and counseling against
>> it" but ultimately not standing in the way
At 06:30 PM 11/6/2004 + Richard Baker wrote:
>Quite. But if one could see souls, this problem would evaporate (or
>would it? what if there were two classes of people who were
>indistinguishable in all ways except that one class makes the
>soulometer beep and the other doesn't?).
Speaking for m
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> Dan said:
>
> > You argue from infint
I said:
> This may well be so, and yet for any pair of species A and B there
> are paths in gene space that have the property that one end of the
> path is in the cluster for species A, the other end of the path is
> in cluster B, and every point along the path gives the genome of a
> viable organ
Dan said:
> You argue from infintesmals...since one cannot exactly define the
> dividing line, it doesn't exist. But, in reality of course, the
> cluster in gene space that defines humans is a number of SD away
> from the cluster than defines the closest apes.
This may well be so, and yet for an
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Richard Baker wrote:
> Quite. But if one could see souls, this problem would evaporate (or
> would it?
It seems like a solid problem to me. So...it would sublimate.
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
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> Dan said:
>
> > Let's use that
Erik said:
> I can see the soul now!
>
> Soul: [Looks at zygote with 1% chimp] "Oh, yuck, I'm not going
> in there!"
Quite. But if one could see souls, this problem would evaporate (or
would it? what if there were two classes of people who were
indistinguishable in all ways except that one cl
Dan said:
> Let's use that arguement. What about infants? The intellectual
> functional ability of a 8 week premature baby is certainly not
> functioanlly equivalent to even a full term infant. Indeed, one
> could make a strong arguement that an adult chimp functions at a
> superior level than
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 06:00:10PM +, Richard Baker wrote:
> and chimpanzee genes. At one end, there's one that's 99% human and
> 1% chimpanzee. At the other end, there's one that's 1% human and
> 99% chimp. Between these extremes they vary in 1% increments. Now,
> which of these (if any) do
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> (Of course, the Nazis considered Jews to be s
JDG said:
> An a honest question for you, but its a doozy, if you choose to
> accept it: How is this position morally different from being
> "personally opposed to the killing of Jews and counseling against
> it" but ultimately not standing in the way of it?
Whilst these are not morally diffe
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