Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-11 Thread Duane
t;>> those around me and to educate young people (and older ones, too) to >>> appreciate and understand our responsibility to care for and about this >>> world that we have been blessed with. >>> >>> Colleen Richards >>> >>> -- Original

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-11 Thread John Gregoire
d that we have been blessed with. >> >> Colleen Richards >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: Dave Nutter >> To: CayugaBirds-L b >> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology >> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 17:43:26 -0400 >

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology, not a "vs"

2023-06-11 Thread David G. Russell
Bye everyone. Can get this elsewhere. On Jun 11, 2023, at 4:00 PM, Karen mailto:confergoldw...@aol.com>> wrote: Aw. Come on. If you are going to carry out a prolonged discussion on this theme, at least you could get the definition of the main terms correct. Ecology is a science that tries t

Re:[cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology, not a "vs"

2023-06-11 Thread Karen
Aw. Come on. If you are going to carry out a prolonged discussion on this theme, at least you could get the definition of the main terms correct.  Ecology is a science that tries to objectively describe the natural world, and derive predictions about objectively measured interactions. Conserva

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-11 Thread sarah fern
ility to care for and about this > world that we have been blessed with. > > Colleen Richards > > -- Original Message -- > From: Dave Nutter > To: CayugaBirds-L b > Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 17:43:26 -0400

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-07 Thread Colleen Richards
lity to care for and about this world that we have been blessed with. Colleen Richards -- Original Message -- From: Dave Nutter To: CayugaBirds-L b Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 17:43:26 -0400 Carl makes a valid point about the dest

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-07 Thread sarah fern
About that trip to Mars: How can we justify spending $$ on Mars adventures when we have so much to do to preserve this planet and keep it liveable for generations of all species in the future? People in this country are dying because of misspent funds, plus we are causing extinctions constantly. O

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-07 Thread Regi Teasley
Dave,   Thank you for this thoughtful response.  This is a very important conversation.I wanted to share something I saved from The NY Times,  Oct . 17, 2021 by Carin Einhorn.  I think it’s about the conference on Biodiversity (part of COP 27?):    The debate underscores a central tension coursing

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-07 Thread Dave Nutter
Carl makes a valid point about the destructiveness to flora and fauna of large scale solar arrays. Solar panels which cover huge fields should be called mines, not farms. The arrays’ extraction of energy is industrial, not biological, and it is done while trying to overcome natural systems, so t

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-05 Thread Kelly Sams
n Gregoire < >> johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 4, 2023 7:45:02 AM >> *To:* t...@ottcmail.com >> *Cc:* Carl Steckler ; CAYUGABIRDS-L < >> cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Eco

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-05 Thread sarah fern
egrego...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, June 4, 2023 7:45:02 AM > *To:* t...@ottcmail.com > *Cc:* Carl Steckler ; CAYUGABIRDS-L < > cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology > > A few points on this discussion. Firstly, win

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-05 Thread Mary Cronk
eckler ; CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology A few points on this discussion. Firstly, wind turbine siting is not governed by law or even regulations. Instead there exist only "suggestions". The American Bird Conservancy has been fighting for many

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-04 Thread John Gregoire
A few points on this discussion. Firstly, wind turbine siting is not governed by law or even regulations. Instead there exist only "suggestions". The American Bird Conservancy has been fighting for many years to get the government to make the "suggestions" into "law" or "requirements". If an Enviro

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-03 Thread tess
Hi Carl, I see no need for any fire storm, but I do disagree with your premise.  I want to be a climate activist precisely /because/ I want to be a conservationist preserving what we have locally on the planet as a whole. Unless we can reduce climate change, it will wipe out many many more pla

RE: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-03 Thread Deb Grantham
Well countered, John, Deb From: bounce-127447541-83565...@list.cornell.edu On Behalf Of Karen Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2023 8:19 PM To: Carl Steckler ; CAYUGABIRDS-L ; John Confer Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 05:05:55 PM EDT, Carl

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-03 Thread Karen
On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 05:05:55 PM EDT, Carl Steckler wrote: Well, let me state right out front that I am about to ignite a fire storm. Are we conservationists or are we ecologists? Hope to instruct things like green energy and the impact on wildlife.This is a false dichotomy b

[cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology

2023-06-03 Thread Carl Steckler
Well, let me state right out front that I am about to ignite a fire storm. Are we conservationists or are we ecologists? Hope to instruct things like green energy and the impact on wildlife. For the ecologists among you, you place a high value on green, renewable energy, but at the same time you