Re: [ccp4bb] map coefficients for padded reflections Fobs=absent

2009-03-18 Thread Eleanor Dodson
To add to Garibs answer - it is a good idea if your data set is pretty complete - but can enhance model bias if it is not . Eleanor Garib Murshudov wrote: On 18 Mar 2009, at 01:47, Bernhard Rupp wrote: I mean *absent* reflections here with fobs=0 Dear All,

Re: [ccp4bb] map coefficients for padded reflections Fobs=0

2009-03-18 Thread Ian Tickle
Bernhard There's the related issue of how to optimally treat the *test set* reflections, i.e. perfectly good measurements but not used (in refinement that is). The various program authors seem to treat these quite differently, e.g. Refmac AFAICS treats them exactly like unobserved for the maps

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Klaas Decanniere
Herbert J. Bernstein wrote: Other sciences have struggled with this and seem to have found an answer. Have e.g. a look at http://heasarc.nasa.gov/docs/heasarc/fits.html kind regards, Klaas This is a good time to start a major crystallogrpahic image archiving effort. Money may well be

[ccp4bb] Error message while refining protein-DNA complex structure in Refmac5

2009-03-18 Thread E rajakumar
Dear Garib Thank you. After removing SCALE card in the pdb file, refinement is completed somthly. Rajakumara --- Garib Murshudov ga...@ysbl.york.ac.uk wrote: It seems that something may be wrong with your input file. Specifically with the SCALE card in the pdb file. Could you please

[ccp4bb] coot add-residue without map

2009-03-18 Thread Guenter Fritz
Dear all, I wanted to use COOT to add a few residues to a the N-term, just simple fantasy building. It should be straight forward with the add-terminal-residue command, however COOT insists on a e-density map. Any idea to overcome this? Thanks in advance, Guenter

[ccp4bb] imosflm STARTDIR

2009-03-18 Thread James Foadi
Dear MOSFLM/IMOSFLM people, when I start the new version of imosflm I expect it to dump files and to search all files starting from the current directory. This doesn't seem to be the case. It appears it always starts from MOSDIR. I my imosflm.tcl the line related to STARTDIR is: set STARTDIR

[ccp4bb] Problem with multiple users running ccp4i on one machine

2009-03-18 Thread Jun Dong
Dear CCP4 developers, I just wonder if there will be a fix for this problem. Basically when the first user is running ccp4i on a linux server and then when the second user tries to run ccp4i on the same linux server, the second user will only see the fist user's DirectoriesProjectDir. Best

[ccp4bb] directory location for latest refmac5 dictionary

2009-03-18 Thread hari jayaram
Hi I just upgraded to the latest refmac5 . I am looking to merge this newest refmac5 and its associated dictionaries with my existing ccp4-6.1 installation . I was wondering where do I copy the latest accompanying dictionary downloaded from Garib Murshudovs page to. Thanks in advance Hari

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Jacob Keller
Apparently it DOES take a rocket scientist to solve this problem. Maybe the brain surgeons also have a solution? JPK *** Jacob Pearson Keller Northwestern University Medical Scientist Training Program Dallos Laboratory F. Searle 1-240 2240 Campus Drive

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread lieven . buts
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 17:04:49 Jacob Keller wrote: Apparently it DOES take a rocket scientist to solve this problem. Maybe the brain surgeons also have a solution? Apparently so: http://www.dclunie.com/medical-image-faq/html/index.html :-) . -- Dr. ir. Lieven Buts, Postdoctoral Fellow

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Herbert J. Bernstein
Actually the radiologists who manage CT and PET scans of brains do have a solution, called DICOM, see http://medical.nema.org/. If we work together as a community we should be able to do as well as the rocket scientists and the brain surgeons' radiologists, perhaps even better. -- Herbert

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with multiple users running ccp4i on one machine

2009-03-18 Thread Ronan Keegan
Dear Jun Dong, This is a problem with the new mechanism used in CCP4 to store project and job data (the CCP4 DBhandler). The quick fix for now is to turn it off and use the old mechanism for storing the project data. To do this in the CCP4i interface go to System Administration, select

[ccp4bb] Refmac5 on Windows

2009-03-18 Thread Philip Leonard
Have any other Windows users noticed that Refmac5 runs much slower on the same job when you upgrade from CCP4 6.0.2 to 6.1.1? Best regards, Phil Leonard. -- DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. They may contain privileged information and are intended for the

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Garib Murshudov
Dear all Before going into and trying to find a technical solution to the problem it would be good if decide if we need images. As far as I know if we face with a problem to solve and we know that it is necessary to solve then we find technical solution to the problem (either from other

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 09:41:59 Garib Murshudov wrote: Dear all Before going into and trying to find a technical solution to the problem it would be good if decide if we need images. As far as I know if we face with a problem to solve and we know that it is necessary to solve then

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Garib Does this answer your question (see final paragraph): http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v448/n7154/full/nature06102.html Best -- Ian -Original Message- From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Garib Murshudov Sent: 18 March

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Liz Potterton
Dear CCP4BB, For further research of a particular structure wouldn't hints on expressing, purifying and crystalizing the protein often be more useful than images or amplitudes? Liz On 18 Mar 2009, at 17:00, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Wednesday 18 March 2009 09:41:59 Garib Murshudov

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Bernhard Rupp
As Herb will attest, the need for keeping images and the various reasons for it have been discussed ad nauseum and agreed upon in various imgCIF meetings - I am sure Herb or Andy Howard can provide links to the documents/recommendations, to put this to rest. Best, BR Past ACA Data Standards

Re: [ccp4bb] imosflm STARTDIR

2009-03-18 Thread William G. Scott
You could try something like this (bash/zsh/sh): alias imosflm='MOSDIR=${PWD} imosflm' The single quotes are required for it to do the right thing. Bill On Mar 18, 2009, at 6:49 AM, James Foadi wrote: Dear MOSFLM/IMOSFLM people, when I start the new version of imosflm I expect it to

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread harry powell
Hi I've heard of a tool from the Golden State which could (potentially) be used for forging diffraction images... I believe it's called mlfsom. On 18 Mar 2009, at 17:50, Felix Frolow wrote: One convincing argument I have: We will be able to catch fraud ultimately. Fraud is a devastation

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread mjvdwoerd
There have been excellent examples given for cases in which the original data would have been very valuable for discussion and understanding. However, it has always been my understanding that scientists are required to keep the original data on which their conclusions are based. It is also my

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Frank von Delft
Maybe, but images without experimental context (sequence? ligands? purification? crystallization format? -- PURPOSE OF EXPERIMENT!?!! relationship to the other 15 similar datasets) are as good as no images. And as far as I know, there's no good discussion on the table for that. At least,

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Jacob Keller
Perhaps we could use Poincare's argument(?), that knowing one cross section of the universe in all of its detail would allow forward and back-calculation of all previous states. Then the universe would be its own lab notebook/ archive, and we would not need to bother with all of these

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Karthik Paithankar
May be wwPDB should introduce a clause that all structure depositions (upon release) must allow raw images accessible to anyone upon request provided the requester pays (for postage and/or CD/DVD - if applicable). This may be followed until google/NSA will offer free and _reliable_ storage in

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Bernhard Rupp
expressing, purifying and crystalizing the protein They are also useful. The NIH PSI initiative for example is trying as a part of their Protein Structure Knowledgebase to establish a material repository. How well this will be generally accepted is another question, and the storage and

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Hi, Since my mailbox is swimming in 'Images!' emails I would add my irrelevant two cents: Image storage does not pay for itself. There has to be a source of funding for it. Storing, transmitting, etc. of the ever-increasing number of terabytes costs money, which at the moment no one seems to

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Bernhard, Re-reading your previous message, I can see that I did indeed misread it, and I apologise for that. Perhaps it was the expression put to rest in relation to a topic where so much action is needed that made me charge in the wrong direction. Although this thread is now

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Bernhard Rupp
All right: How about then putting in a NIH challenge grant (due April 27) for image archiving? Who is in? BR -Original Message- From: Gerard Bricogne [mailto:g...@globalphasing.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:12 PM To: Bernhard Rupp Cc: 'Gerard Bricogne'; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Re: [ccp4bb] images

2009-03-18 Thread Herbert J. Bernstein
Some of us have already been discussing that possibility. -- Herbert = Herbert J. Bernstein, Professor of Computer Science Dowling College, Kramer Science Center, KSC 121 Idle Hour Blvd, Oakdale, NY, 11769

[ccp4bb] nad woes

2009-03-18 Thread Jan Abendroth
Hi all, is there any wisdom on NAD out there? I experience some strange behaviour of this common cofactor. With moderately convincing density, probably low occupancy of a cofactor that came along for the ride from E coli, Refmac5.5.0088 pulls the AN6 atom out of the adenine plane. With my