Re: [ccp4bb] R-free ratio, effect of ncs restraints?

2010-04-09 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Mark I think you need to distinguish between the mechanics of the refinement software on the one hand and the effect on the statistics on the other. I think you are referring to the former, in other words in the software the restraints are as you say treated exactly like the X-ray observations

Re: [ccp4bb] fink update

2010-04-09 Thread Raja Dey
Sorry for the confusion. It has been solved. Thanks for your help. Raja From: S. Shunmugasundararaj To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Fri, 9 April, 2010 1:11:27 PM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] fink update I think your xcode is out dated. You can download the lates

Re: [ccp4bb] Possible sulphate

2010-04-09 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
You may also want to look at some other structures at similar resolution and see what the density and interactions for their sulfates look like. E.g., if you go to HIC-Up, get to the SO4 page and then click on the link to EDS statistics - http://xray.bmc.uu.se/hicup/SO4/so4_eds_stats.html - it w

Re: [ccp4bb] fink update

2010-04-09 Thread Raja Dey
Well, I have mac osx 10.5.8 and the latest Xcode available is X11- 2.5.0. To get the Xcode 3.2.2, do I have to go with OSX 10.6.X? I am wondering if that might cause problem to run programs already installed in 10.5.X. Raja From: S. Shunmugasundararaj

Re: [ccp4bb] R-free ratio, effect of ncs restraints?

2010-04-09 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
Hi All, in a paper (which I can't locate now...) which I read recently it was stated that restraints do not reduce the number of parameters, rather they augment the number of data points (so strong restraints are like strong data, weak restraints weak data...). Only strict NCS constraints, where th

Re: [ccp4bb] fink update

2010-04-09 Thread S. Shunmugasundararaj
You can download the latest download from "developer.apple.com/technologies/xcode.htm". The latest version is Xcode 3.2.2 and iPhone SDK 3.2Apr 3, 2010 SSSRaj http://www.careforlearning.org Let us make learning a fun to everyone **

Re: [ccp4bb] fink update

2010-04-09 Thread S. Shunmugasundararaj
I think your xcode is out dated. You can download the latest oneĀ  for free by login into http://connect.apple.com. Its under the "Developer Tools" heading. SSSRaj http://www.careforlearning.org Let us make learning a fun to everyone **

Re: [ccp4bb] R-free ratio, effect of ncs restraints?

2010-04-09 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Ed It's very difficult to deal theoretically with NCS because, unlike bond lengths where the uncertainties are known a priori (at least in principle), with NCS you don't know the uncertainties a priori, if you see what I mean (rather like unknown unknowns!). In other words the optimal weights

Re: [ccp4bb] ALS or Uni Pucks

2010-04-09 Thread Peter Zwart
We have drawings available for both pucks and tools, freely available for anybody to use: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Automounter#Technical_drawings_and_CAD_models_for_the_pucks_and_automounter_tools At the moment, crystal positioning is the only supplier possible (they will have the A

Re: [ccp4bb] fink update

2010-04-09 Thread Jason C Porta
Hi Raja,I assume you are running OS X?I had this same problem since I was running xcode v3.0. The new compiler (the one its complaining about) should be packaged with the xcode on the snow leopard disc, which I believe is the most recent version. I could be wrong, since I haven't yet fixed my own p

[ccp4bb] R-free ratio, effect of ncs restraints?

2010-04-09 Thread Edward A. Berry
Has anyone looked theoretically at how ncs-restraints affect the expected Rfree/R ratio? Tickle et al., Acta Cryst. (1998). D54, 547-557 concluded Rfree/R = sqrt(Nobs/(Nobs-Nparam)) . He suggested that, with restrained refinement of coordinates plus individual isotropic B-factors, the effective n

[ccp4bb] fink update

2010-04-09 Thread Raja Dey
Hi, Sorry for a non-ccp4 question. I hope there is someone who can solve the problem. I was trying to update fink and I got the following error. rajadey$ fink update-all Password: Information about packages read in 2 seconds. fink needs help picking an alternative to satisfy a virtual de

[ccp4bb] ALS or Uni Pucks

2010-04-09 Thread Deena Oren
Does anyone know the status of Crystal Positioning? They are not responding to email or phone calls. Are they the only alternative to the late Peter Boyd? Deena Deena Abells Oren, PhD Manager, Structural Biology Resource Center Rockefeller University 1230 York Avenue, Box 295 New York, NY 10

Re: [ccp4bb] programs to check the structure of DNA

2010-04-09 Thread Christian Biertuempfel
Hi Alessandra, Here is a list of nucleic acid and protein-nucleic acid related tools (including the ones mentioned by Luca and Maia: 3DNA http://rutchem.rutgers.edu/~xiangjun/3DNA/ http://w3dna.rutgers.edu/ curves http://gbio-pbil.ibcp.fr/Curves_plus/Curves+.html nucplot http://www.biochem.ucl.a

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Jim Pflugrath
In the instance where we grew crystals is isopropanol, we found they also grew in PEG6000. The best crystals grew in isopropanol, so we just harvested the crystals into a similar PEG6000 solution. I would imagine that you can get the crystals to grow in something beside isopropanol especially now

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Scott Pegan
Nat, A few years ago I had K channel crystals that formed under similar conditions. I found that using MPD as a cryo-protectant worked best. As for the evaporation issue, I had a little extra time as I was performing the mounting in a cold room. Scott Pegan S, Arrabit C, Zhou W, Kwiatkowski W,

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread James Holton
Yes, oil is great, but you have to be careful to choose an oil in which the alcohol is not soluble, or the oil will suck it out of your drop, (just like air). This is particularly annoying with detergents, which are almost all soluble in oil. I've always thought that maybe some synthetic moto

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Nathaniel Clark
I have wondered if placing a layer of oil over the drop would help solve the problem of the crystals moving around. Haven't tried it, but don't people harvest from a microbatch tray by dragging the loop and crystal through oil? Nat On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:21 AM, James Holton wrote: > Yes, iso

Re: [ccp4bb] programs to check the structure of DNA

2010-04-09 Thread Maia Cherney
I know two programs; 3DNA by Lu and curves by Lavery and Sklenar. 3DNA is easier to use, it can also make input for the Curves. Maia Alessandra Pesce wrote: Dear All, I am looking for available programs and/or websites able to check the structure of DNA in DNA-protein complexes. I need to

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread James Holton
Yes, isopropanol is a cryoprotectant, and a relatively good one. So are the other alcohols. It was even popular in the "olden days" when we would typically set up drops that were 5-10 microliters in volume (each!). These take a while (minutes) to evaporate, giving you enough working time to

Re: [ccp4bb] Follow up to TLS, NCS and refinement

2010-04-09 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 23:26 +0100, Daniel Bonsor wrote: > both the Rfactor and Rfree get stuck at 30% and 36% according to http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard/supmat/rfree2000/plotter.html these are higher than expected. With that said, R/Rfree should not be a fetish, and your model may be fine (i.e. a

Re: [ccp4bb] Does the substrate has access to the active site?

2010-04-09 Thread Ed Pozharski
It is also possible that mother liquor prevents binding (although often in such cases you would see some precipitant component in the active site. I would generally bet on need for conformational change. And you expect to see the product complex, right? Ed. On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 11:15 +0200, Pa

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Jose Antonio Cuesta Seijo
Working with isopropanol at room temperature and in a well ventialted environment is a nightmare. Everything moves around wildly until all the isopropanol has evaporated. Simply leaving the plate in the cold room for a couple of hours or overnight, and then doing all the mounting in the cold room a

Re: [ccp4bb] Does the substrate has access to the active site?

2010-04-09 Thread Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS]
Paul, couple things come to mind: -make sure your substrate is actually a binder and not an (unspecific) inhibitor (ITC, Thermofluor, Biacore) -soak longer and at higher concentration. (3mM concentration from 100mM stock in DMSO for a week or more) -Is there evidence that your protein needs to

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Chris, I recall from many years ago that we had a screening hit in high isopropanol, which started boiling violently when we opened the well. We "solved" the problem by using another precipitant but I would also be interested in tricks how to handle high isopropanol. Best regards, Herman

[ccp4bb] Does the substrate has access to the active site?

2010-04-09 Thread Paul Lindblom
Dear Bulletin Board, I am trying to soak substrate into crystals of an enzyme, but so far I can't see the substrate in the structure. Does anyone knows a program to ensure that the entrance to the central cavity is accessibly? I mean based on the whole crystal. I already checked the crystal packin

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Jan Schoepe
Hi Chris, Isopropanol can act as a cryoprotectant. Can't say whether 25% are enough. It dependes also if there are other ingredients that can help to get cryo conditions (e.g. salts, PEGs, glycerol). Maybe you want to check the mother liquor if there will be any ice ring formation after freezin

[ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Chris Meier
Dear all, I have a protein which crystallizes in 25% isopropanol, at pH4.5. Does anyone have experience freezing crystals grown in such a condition? What cryoprotectants should I try? Can isopropanol itself act as a cryoprotectant? Any suggestions on how to deal with isopropanol evaporation dur

Re: [ccp4bb] programs to check the structure of DNA

2010-04-09 Thread Jovine Luca
Ciao Alessandra, A couple of pointers: http://gbio-pbil.ibcp.fr/Curves_plus/Curves+.html http://rutchem.rutgers.edu/~xiangjun/3DNA/ HTH, Luca Luca Jovine, Ph.D. Group Leader & EMBO Young Investigator Karolinska I

[ccp4bb] programs to check the structure of DNA

2010-04-09 Thread Alessandra Pesce
Dear All, I am looking for available programs and/or websites able to check the structure of DNA in DNA-protein complexes. I need to evaluate the DNA bending, its backbone distortion, the alteration of the base pairing, and its interaction with the protein. The aim is to compare in easy and quick