Re: [ccp4bb] Will 3mFo-2DFc maps have less model bias than 2mFo-DFc maps?

2010-07-29 Thread Shekhar Mande
One of the early references for mFo- nFc is: Vijayan, *Acta Cryst.* (1980). A*36*, 295-298 You may also like to read the book on Fourier transforms in crystallography by Ramachandran and Srinivasan. Shekhar On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Pavel Afonine wrote: > Hi Ian, > > please correct me

Re: [ccp4bb] CIF format frustrations

2010-07-29 Thread Eric Pettersen
On Jul 29, 2010, at 4:00 PM, CCP4BB automatic digest system wrote: Date:Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:49:12 +0100 From:Simon Kolstoe Subject: CIF format frustrations Dear all, What's the best way to convert a coordinate cif file to a pdb (without compiling a program, installing new utilities,

Re: [ccp4bb] Will 3mFo-2DFc maps have less model bias than 2mFo-DFc maps?

2010-07-29 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Ian, please correct me if I'm wrong in what I'm writing below... My reasoning for writing it like this 2Fo-Fc = Fo + (Fo-Fc) is: 1) the map (Fo, Pcalc) shows density for missing atoms at half size (approximately) 2) the map (Fo-Fc, Pcalc) shows density for missing atoms at half size (ap

Re: [ccp4bb] Will 3mFo-2DFc maps have less model bias than 2mFo-DFc maps?

2010-07-29 Thread Ian Tickle
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Pavel Afonine wrote: > > Speaking of 3fo2fc or 5fo3fc, ... etc maps (see classic works on this > published 30+ years ago), I guess the main rationale for using them in those > cases arises from the facts that > > 2Fo-Fc = Fo + (Fo-Fc), > 3Fo-2Fc = Fo +2(Fo-Fc) > >

Re: [ccp4bb] Will 3mFo-2DFc maps have less model bias than 2mFo-DFc maps?

2010-07-29 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Got the references, and I will check them out. Thanks a lot! Best Regards, Hailiang > These papers might help: > > J. Appl. Cryst. (1997). 30, 396-399, F. M. D. Vellieux and B. W. Dijkstra > > J. Appl. Cryst. (1997). 30, 400-401, F. M. D. Vellieux > > Speaking of 3fo2fc or 5fo3fc, ... etc maps

Re: [ccp4bb] Will 3mFo-2DFc maps have less model bias than 2mFo-DFc maps?

2010-07-29 Thread Pavel Afonine
These papers might help: J. Appl. Cryst. (1997). 30, 396-399, F. M. D. Vellieux and B. W. Dijkstra J. Appl. Cryst. (1997). 30, 400-401, F. M. D. Vellieux Speaking of 3fo2fc or 5fo3fc, ... etc maps (see classic works on this published 30+ years ago), I guess the main rationale for using them i

[ccp4bb] Will 3mFo-2DFc maps have less model bias than 2mFo-DFc maps?

2010-07-29 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Hi, I frequently find 3mFo-2DFc maps have been used for model building. I am not sure whether they have less model bias than 2mFo-DFc maps, and I appreciate for any references. Best Regards, Hailiang

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ? 2nd round

2010-07-29 Thread Fred
No, constraints do not improved the Chis, but also don't harm them much. Which NSDs, from selection or superposition (damsel or damsup)? The superposition ones: >>> P1 egp1p_04-1.pdb !! Reference file egp1p_12-1r.pdb !! NSD = 0.912 egp1p_05-1r.p

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ? 2nd round

2010-07-29 Thread Fred
So, that was my previous question. Em 29-07-2010 14:14, Phoebe Rice escreveu: You don't have to keep the same number of symmetrical contacts. Original message Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:13:56 -0300 From: Fred Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ? 2nd round To: CCP4BB@JISC

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ? 2nd round

2010-07-29 Thread Fred
Clarifying... That's happened because I was talking about the symmetry of the SAXS envelop/particle. I understand that if you consider the symmetry of the whole particle, say a tetramer of identical subunits, you can have the 4-fold axis when asking for 222 symmetry envelop, which gives you a 4

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ? 2nd round

2010-07-29 Thread Kushol Gupta
Fred, Two cents - I think the P1 SAXS solution should strongly guide your choice of symmetry constraint above all else in this case: do any of the symmetry-restrained shape reconstructions *improve* the statistics (chi) and stability of the shape (NSD) when compared to the P1 result? Also, it soun

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ? 2nd round

2010-07-29 Thread Fred
Of course, 222 has not a 4 axis, otherwise it would be a 4-fold axis. But that's the output of the program. P4 exp. model has a 4-fold axis along the longest axis, while the P222 MODEL has a 4-fold axis along the smallest, which doesn't make any sense. Can you imagine something build up with 4

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ? 2nd round

2010-07-29 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Hi, To quote you: "even my P222 experimental envelop does have a 4-fold axis" - this is not suprising, a particle with 222 symmetry does not have 4-fold symmetry. There are 3 mutually perpendicular 2-fold axes that intersect at the origin (of the "particle", of the molecule) [and for the nome

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ? 2nd round

2010-07-29 Thread Fred
Thanks all of you who promptly replied my question. I should have been more precise. I was referring to the symmetry of the tetrameric particle (point symmetry) at the molecular level not at the atomic level. This question has arisen because I have collected some SAXS data of my protein in solu

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ?

2010-07-29 Thread Fischmann, Thierry
Here is another example of a tetramer with neither 222 or 4 fold symmetry: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7792597 Thierry -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Vellieux Frederic Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 03:35 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCM

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Re: [ccp4bb] CIF format frustrations

2010-07-29 Thread Ian Tickle
This? http://sw-tools.pdb.org/apps/CIFTr/index.html Cheers -- Ian On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Simon Kolstoe wrote: > Dear all, > > What's the best way to convert a coordinate cif file to a pdb (without > compiling a program, installing new utilities, writing script files...)? > > Cif2mtz

[ccp4bb] CIF format frustrations

2010-07-29 Thread Simon Kolstoe
Dear all, What's the best way to convert a coordinate cif file to a pdb (without compiling a program, installing new utilities, writing script files...)? Cif2mtz works for the reflection file however coordconv doesn't have a "cif" option. If I try using Coot I get a mangled pdb file that gi

[ccp4bb] Introducing the PDBe Wizard - finding "stuff" on the PDBe website

2010-07-29 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
As part of the recent Midsummer Make-over of the Protein Data Bank in Europe website (PDBe; http://pdbe.org/), we introduced a new Wizard tool. The purpose of the Wizard is to help novice users find "stuff" on the site, be it one or more PDB or EMDB entries or information about PDBe tools, resou

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2010-07-29 Thread Jaime Prilusky
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Re: [ccp4bb] software for predicting protein solubility, stabililty and disorders

2010-07-29 Thread Mark Brooks
Hi, My favourite is Phyre: http://www.sbg.bio.ic.ac.uk/~phyre/ A benefit of this is that it predicts your domains, makes sequence alignments with the similar proteins, and makes homology models which are sometimes good enough to start building with when you've phased the structure! Another bene

Re: [ccp4bb] software for predicting protein solubility, stabililty and disorders

2010-07-29 Thread Allan Pang
Tried with my protein and it says *very* difficult but I got crystals. Quoting Albert Guskov : Hi Vikrant, I guess Xtalpred server might be of interest for you. check it at http://ffas.burnham.org/XtalPred-cgi/xtal.pl Cheers, *Albert GUSKOV (Dr) *| Research Fellow | Division of Structural & Co

Re: [ccp4bb] software for predicting protein solubility, stabililty and disorders

2010-07-29 Thread Darren Hart
Run your sequence through these predictors to get an idea of domain location and disorder. Disorder predictor links http://dis.embl.de/ http://globplot.embl.de/ http://www.strubi.ox.ac.uk/RONN http://bip.weizmann.ac.il/fldbin/findex http://www.ist.temple.edu/disprot/predictorVSL2.php http://iupred

Re: [ccp4bb] software for predicting protein solubility, stabililty and disorders

2010-07-29 Thread Albert Guskov
Hi Vikrant, I guess Xtalpred server might be of interest for you. check it at http://ffas.burnham.org/XtalPred-cgi/xtal.pl Cheers, *Albert GUSKOV (Dr) *| Research Fellow | Division of Structural & Computational Biology | Nanyang Technological University Proteos 7-01, Biopolis Drive 61, Singapore 1

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ?

2010-07-29 Thread Shekhar Mande
Peanut lectin, when we solved the structure in the 90's, had a very unusual non-symmetric tetramer. Till we solved the structure, there were examples only of symmetric tetramers 222 (say, ConA), or 4 (e.g. Neuraminadase) in the literature. Peanut lectin had two dimers, each with a two-fold symmet

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ?

2010-07-29 Thread Miri Hirshberg
Thurs., July 29th 2010 EBI moreover.. the protein Andrew has suggested was determined several around Goto http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe/ enter the uniprot P00362 in the middle box "Retrieve PDB entries using an external database identifier " (check UniProt) and you get a more complete list. click

[ccp4bb] software for predicting protein solubility, stabililty and disorders

2010-07-29 Thread vikrant saa
I want to do cloning of  a 40 Kd protein in pRSETA, and pGEX-KT vector. I don't have any idea about protein solubility, its multimeric form, stability  and disorder etc. There is nothing known in the literature also. Is there any software that can predict  these parameters, so that i can decide

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ?

2010-07-29 Thread Miri Hirshberg
Thurs., July 29th 2010 EBI Morning, I think Andrew meant PDB 2gd1 and 1gd1 (has 4 NAD) DOI10.1016/0022-2836(88)90130-1 Miri On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, A Leslie wrote: Hi Fred, If your tetramer show negative cooperativity between the 4 sites for ligand binding, then it is possible to g

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ?

2010-07-29 Thread A Leslie
Hi Fred, If your tetramer show negative cooperativity between the 4 sites for ligand binding, then it is possible to get a tetramer with (say) only one subunit occupied by ligand, which can introduce considerable asymmetry if ligand binding gives rise to a hinge type closure of

Re: [ccp4bb] non-symmetric tetramer ?

2010-07-29 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Non-symmetric tetramers: you can check out Tete-Favier et al (1993), Acta Cryst. D49, 246: the quaternary structure was assumed to have local 222 symmetry. It turned out this was not exactly the case: the actual symmetry of the object (the molecule) was "pseudo" 2t2t2t. So in addition to 2-fold