[cctalk] Re: Paper Tape Reader Needed

2023-05-18 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I have just acquired a number of PDP-8 paper tapes.  My reader/punch is not working at the moment (neither is my PDP-8 but that's another story). I am looking to beg, borrow or buy a paper tape reader or reader/punch (stand alone or PC04) so that I can archive these tapes as they are getting

[cctalk] Re: Paper Tape Reader Needed

2023-05-18 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/18/23 15:19, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: I have just acquired a number of PDP-8 paper tapes.  My reader/punch is not working at the moment (neither is my PDP-8 but that's another story). I am looking to beg, borrow or buy a paper tape reader or reader/punch (stand alone or PC04) so that

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/18/23 16:47, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, 18 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> The idea's the same.   What I'm a bit surprised about is that there has >> been no emulation of a generic floppy controller offered.  It can't be >> that complex; if I recall correctly the NEC

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 18 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: The idea's the same. What I'm a bit surprised about is that there has been no emulation of a generic floppy controller offered. It can't be that complex; if I recall correctly the NEC 765 only used 1100 words of microcode. That is exactly

[cctalk] Re: Paper Tape Reader Needed

2023-05-18 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
Bill, I live in the western suburbs of Chicago. Glen Ellyn to be precise (60137-3794).    Mike On 5/18/2023 5:53 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Where are you located Bill On Thu, May 18, 2023, 4:19 PM Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: I have just acquired a number of PDP-8 paper tapes. My

[cctalk] Re: Paper Tape Reader Needed

2023-05-18 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Where are you located Bill On Thu, May 18, 2023, 4:19 PM Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > I have just acquired a number of PDP-8 paper tapes. My reader/punch is > not working at the moment (neither is my PDP-8 but that's another story). > > I am looking to beg, borrow or buy a paper tape reader

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-18 Thread Mike Loewen via cctalk
On Thu, 18 May 2023, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On May 18, 2023, at 3:09 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: My advice: buy an old desktop computer. Buy a standard PC floppy drive (a dual drive if possible to give both 3.5 and 5.25 support). Hmmm. a modern laptop for connecting to

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-18 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 5/18/2023 2:08 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: As for loading in/loading out files from images, there’s likely at least something out there you can make use of. Even if there’s no host OS native software for writing directly to images, there’s almost certainly an emulator, which would

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 18, 2023, at 3:09 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > >> My advice: buy an old desktop computer. Buy a standard PC floppy drive (a >> dual drive if possible to give both 3.5 and 5.25 support). > > Hmmm. > a modern laptop for connecting to the interwebs. > with sneaker-net of

[cctalk] Paper Tape Reader Needed

2023-05-18 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I have just acquired a number of PDP-8 paper tapes.  My reader/punch is not working at the moment (neither is my PDP-8 but that's another story). I am looking to beg, borrow or buy a paper tape reader or reader/punch (stand alone or PC04) so that I can archive these tapes as they are getting

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Re: flux images. Tony, There are flux images on the internet archive if you want to practice using them. Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2023, at 12:20, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, 18 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> The idea's the same. What I'm a bit surprised

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 18 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: The idea's the same. What I'm a bit surprised about is that there has been no emulation of a generic floppy controller offered. It can't be that complex; if I recall correctly the NEC 765 only used 1100 words of microcode. That is exactly

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Can you fix it using MODE.com from a DOS prompt? Or, a full re-install of the USB-RS232 dongle? On Thu, 18 May 2023, Tony Duell wrote: Depends on what you mean by a re-install... Asking Windows to check the driver and install the correct/latest one did not help. rarely does Deleting the

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
My advice: buy an old desktop computer. Buy a standard PC floppy drive (a dual drive if possible to give both 3.5 and 5.25 support). Hmmm. a modern laptop for connecting to the interwebs. with sneaker-net of thumb drives to: a 386 desktop running Win98SE (first version to support USB), with

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 8:03 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 18 May 2023, Robert Feldman via cctalk wrote: > > Can you fix it using MODE.com from a DOS prompt? > > Or, a full re-install of the USB-RS232 dongle? Depends on what you mean by a re-install... Asking Windows to

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-18 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 18, 2023, at 3:01 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk > wrote: > >> >> My advice: buy an old desktop computer. Buy a standard PC floppy drive (a >> dual drive if possible to give both 3.5 and 5.25 support). Then run Linux, >> use the "fdparm" tool to set the media format if necessary,

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 18 May 2023, Robert Feldman via cctalk wrote: Can you fix it using MODE.com from a DOS prompt? Or, a full re-install of the USB-RS232 dongle? Long ago, I learned, the hard way, that I should always make a complete backup, or at least a restore point, before installing anything new,

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-18 Thread Joshua Rice via cctalk
> > My advice: buy an old desktop computer. Buy a standard PC floppy drive (a > dual drive if possible to give both 3.5 and 5.25 support). Then run Linux, > use the "fdparm" tool to set the media format if necessary, and copy the > image with "dd". > > Roughly speaking this is how I read

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Robert Feldman via cctalk
>Message: 23 >Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 17:32:00 +0100 >From: Tony Duell >Subject: [cctalk] >

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I run the greaseweazle under window 10 and windows 11.  I havent' seen any problems as of yet but I am using the command line utilities mostly. On 5/18/2023 10:48 AM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 3:16 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: At ~£25 you're unlikely to

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/18/23 09:32, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 5:28 PM Mike Katz wrote: >> >> I run the greaseweazle under window 10 and windows 11. I havent' seen >> any problems as of yet but I am using the command line utilities mostly. > > I was running from the command line too.

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 5:28 PM Mike Katz wrote: > > I run the greaseweazle under window 10 and windows 11. I havent' seen > any problems as of yet but I am using the command line utilities mostly. I was running from the command line too. Typing 'gw' just gets a dialogue box moaning that the

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 5:05 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 5/18/23 08:48, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > > > I wish I'd never listened to people who said this was easy and would work > > fine. > > > > Never again. > > > > I warned you about modern open-source, didn't I? Indeed you

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/18/23 08:48, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > I wish I'd never listened to people who said this was easy and would work > fine. > > Never again. > I warned you about modern open-source, didn't I? I'm surprised that nobody suggested the Catweasel line. Probably one of the first, if not

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 3:16 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: > At ~£25 you're unlikely to lose much with either of the two front > runners :-) Unfortunately in my case that is not true. I ordered a Greaseweazle earlier today and downloaded the software. Of course there is no such thing as

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2023-05-18 8:15 a.m., Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: There are other flux readers out there but they either don't seem to have much momentum behind them (so you might be stuck if you need a new format added) or they're closed like KyroFlux. At ~£25 you're unlikely to lose much with

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-18 Thread Adam Sampson via cctalk
Hi Tony, I recently built the simplest "F1" version of Keir Fraser's Greaseweazle, and it works fine with a 3.5" drive. I'm using Linux, so my software recommendations may not be the same as you're after, but for reference here's what I did... Tony Duell via cctalk writes: > So what I am asking

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 18/05/2023 05:16, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: Now what are the options. Greaseweazle or ? What are the advantages and disadvantates of each? For the Greaseweazle it looks like I can get one and it seems to be open source with schematics of the hardware. I'd prefer more buffering of the

[cctalk] Re: ST-251 Data Recovery for Glenside Color Computer Club (GCCC)

2023-05-18 Thread Scott LaBombard via cctalk
Re. other flux options, there's also the KryoFlux floppy controller, or if you're an Apple user the applesauce floppy controller. The Greaseweazle is an open source solution, and likely the most cost effective.  On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 12:16:42 AM EDT, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: