> On Aug 14, 2022, at 4:22 AM, Matt Burke via cctalk
> wrote:
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> On 12/08/2022 18:35, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>> Can a Linux loadable module, without help from the core kernel code,
>> define a new socket address family, and tie into the socket API for
>> sockets attached to that
On 12/08/2022 18:35, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> Can a Linux loadable module, without help from the core kernel code,
> define a new socket address family, and tie into the socket API for
> sockets attached to that family? I don't know. If yes, then indeed
> doing Linux doesn't require
> On Aug 12, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Dave Mitton via cctalk
> wrote:
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> Okay,
>
> The issue I don’t understand, I guess a matter of not understanding Linux
> internals, is why does “the kernel” require explicit DECnet support?
>
> I built DECnet-DOS without any cooperation from
Okay,
The issue I don’t understand, I guess a matter of not understanding Linux
internals, is why does “the kernel” require explicit DECnet support?
I built DECnet-DOS without any cooperation from Microsoft. Or
PathWorks for Windows 95 was built on top of published APIs.
On 8/7/22 3:39 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
:-D I see what you did there.
Do you /really/? ;-)
Depends on the flies, of course. I discovered it by accident. I'm a
Brit (and Irish now). We're not all that big on pickled cucumbers --
gherkins -- in the UK. A lot of people pick the
On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 at 00:02, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> People who have never actually tried doing it constantly claim that you
> can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
:-D I see what you did there.
Depends on the flies, of course. I discovered it by accident. I'm a
Brit (and
On 8/6/2022 5:02 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
For fruit flies in kitchen put some apple vinegar in a cup, cover it
with saran wrap, make a few small holes in it with a knife and push
the wrap into the cup (not touching the vinegar) to make a dimple.
Works perfectly.
We use 2 parts
For fruit flies in kitchen put some apple vinegar in a cup, cover it with
saran wrap, make a few small holes in it with a knife and push the wrap
into the cup (not touching the vinegar) to make a dimple.
Works perfectly.
We use 2 parts molasses to one part apple vinegar. You don't even need
On 8/5/2022 9:48 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
For fruit flies in kitchen put some apple vinegar in a cup, cover it
with saran wrap, make a few small holes in it with a knife and push the
wrap into the cup (not touching the vinegar) to make a dimple.
Works perfectly.
We use 2 parts
For fruit flies in kitchen put some apple vinegar in a cup, cover it
with saran wrap, make a few small holes in it with a knife and push the
wrap into the cup (not touching the vinegar) to make a dimple.
Works perfectly.
On 8/5/2022 10:42 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 8/5/22 12:31
On 8/5/22 12:31 AM, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote:
All very true. I was just whacking at the low hanging fruit...
Whack away.
We're supposed to enjoy hobbies. Sometimes that means making fun of them.
While you're at it, will you whack some of the fruit flies in my kitchen
and moles in my
On 8/4/2022 4:07 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 8/4/22 2:12 PM, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote:
This becomes an actual showstopper when the most recent hardware
platform that will run the most recent Linux kernel to support DECNet
becomes impossible to maintain.
I'm not convinced that
On 04/08/2022 22:17, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
> Since dropping DECNET is just a proposal and needs to be voted on, what’s the
> chance the vote will pass?
If DECnet support gets removed then it's not a big deal, in fact it may
actually be a good thing.
The last time I tried the DECnet support
On 8/4/22 3:17 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
Since dropping DECNET is just a proposal and needs to be voted on,
what’s the chance the vote will pass?
I have no idea.
Though if it's being considered now, it will be considered again at some
point in the future if it's unmaintained.
If it
Since dropping DECNET is just a proposal and needs to be voted on, what’s the
chance the vote will pass?
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> On Aug 4, 2022, at 14:08, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 8/4/22 2:12 PM, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote:
>> This becomes an actual showstopper when the most
On 8/4/22 2:12 PM, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote:
This becomes an actual showstopper when the most recent hardware
platform that will run the most recent Linux kernel to support DECNet
becomes impossible to maintain.
I'm not convinced that the inability to boot the newest kernel that
supports
On 8/2/2022 2:12 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I'm trying to understand how many installations are actually using
DECnet in Linux / how big the potential problem is / will be.
This becomes an actual showstopper when the most recent hardware
platform that will run the most recent
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 21:56, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
>
> Does dropping Decnet mean the the commercial versions like Redhat and any
> others that you pay support for will also lose Decnet?
When they eventually upgrade to that or later versions of the kernel: yes.
--
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
> I naively assume that since Decnet is a mature product supporting it
> just means testing it with new versions of Linux so not too much work is
> needed.
Someone has to do that, it doesn't happen automagically. And if not for:
> It has been
It just sounds to me like the implementation should move to userspace. Why does
it need to be in the kernel?
-- Chris
It might not be worth it to redhat.
I wonder how many govt entities are still using DEC machines and can’t replace
them easily.
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> On Aug 2, 2022, at 13:47, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
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> On 8/2/22 2:37 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
>> I naively assume that since
> Grant Taylor wrote:
>Isn't Tru64 a DEC product?
I did say, "Excepting the Un*x derivatives"...
>Would you stop using DECnet b/c it was removed from the kernel?
Well, I wouldn't be able to upgrade that machine anymore. That wouldn’t be
the end of the world, but eventually one of two
On 8/2/22 2:37 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
I naively assume that since Decnet is a mature product supporting
it just means testing it with new versions of Linux so not too
much work is needed. If a linux distro keeps it it adds value to
that distro.
Fair enough.
I think the problem is
I naively assume that since Decnet is a mature product supporting it just means
testing it with new versions of Linux so not too much work is needed. If a
linux distro keeps it it adds value to that distro. So, in the future, Redhat,
for example, might be the only distro left supporting it so
On 8/2/22 1:56 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
Does dropping Decnet mean the the commercial versions like Redhat
and any others that you pay support for will also lose Decnet?
I imagine that even commercially supported distributions will eventually
loose DECnet support. -- I don't see how
On 8/2/22 1:56 PM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote:
AFAIK, VMS was the only DEC operating system (well, excepting the
Un*x derivatives) that supported TCP/IP. There were several third
party TCP/IP implementations for VMS (e.g. Wollongong, CMU, Process
Software, ...) and eventually DEC came
On 8/2/22 14:42, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk
wrote:
On 8/2/22 11:52 AM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote:
Umm... The problem is that there are a lot more DECnet systems than just VMS.
Please elaborate.
I naively assumed that
On 8/2/22 14:38, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
On 8/2/22 11:52 AM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote:
Umm... The problem is that there are a lot more DECnet systems than
just VMS.
Please elaborate.
I naively assumed that anything that was running DECnet was doing so to
be able to
Does dropping Decnet mean the the commercial versions like Redhat and any
others that you pay support for will also lose Decnet?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 2, 2022, at 12:12, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 8/2/22 12:42 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>> I think the context was
>Grant Taylor
>Okay. I hadn't considered other DEC OSs that don't support TCP/IP.
AFAIK, VMS was the only DEC operating system (well, excepting the Un*x
derivatives) that supported TCP/IP. There were several third party TCP/IP
implementations for VMS (e.g. Wollongong, CMU, Process
On 8/2/22 12:42 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I think the context was TCP as an alternative transport, given the
fading DECnet support in Linux. And yes, that's an option for Unix
and VMS, but not for a number of other DEC operating systems that
have no TCP option.
Okay. I hadn't
> On Aug 2, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 8/2/22 11:52 AM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote:
>> Umm... The problem is that there are a lot more DECnet systems than just
>> VMS.
>
> Please elaborate.
>
> I naively assumed that anything that was running DECnet
On 8/2/22 11:52 AM, Robert Armstrong via cctalk wrote:
Umm... The problem is that there are a lot more DECnet systems than
just VMS.
Please elaborate.
I naively assumed that anything that was running DECnet was doing so to
be able to communicate with a DEC system / OS.
It sounds like you
> Bill Degnan wrote:
>Multinet
Are you suggesting running Multinet on VMS so it can talk to the TCP world?
Umm... The problem is that there are a lot more DECnet systems than just VMS.
Bob
Multinet
On Tue, Aug 2, 2022, 6:46 AM Liam Proven via cctalk
wrote:
> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-DECnet-2022-Removal
>
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220731190646.97039-1-step...@networkplumber.org/
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