Yes, the G-15 was definitely a digital computer, but I'm not aware that it had
any "add-on analog element," at least not any that was a standard Bendix
product. There was a differential analyzer, the DA-1, that attached to the G-15
and used some of its drum memory lines for storage, but it was a
It's helping arrange content and tempo, so it's been good for that (and why
it is still a "draft"). We'll try to get it read (but no sound studio, so
then you end up with dog barks, lawn mowers, and airplanes in the
background haha).I don't think I can do attachments here, but could
post the
On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
A revised TAKE #10 version of the video is here to clean up some aspects
(some notes in the Description; still DRAFT and unlisted)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eaolOAcvmg
The speech synthesis basically wrecks it for me, sorry.
g.
--
Pro
A revised TAKE #10 version of the video is here to clean up some aspects
(some notes in the Description; still DRAFT and unlisted)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eaolOAcvmg
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:39 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Most important of all, for the video,
> your daughter shou
I just ordered your book from Amazon. I am looking forward to reading it.
Regards,
Tarek Hoteit
> On Mar 9, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Mar 9, 2023, at 5:20 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk
> wrote:
>>> A lot has been written about the origins of the microcompu
On Mar 9, 2023, at 5:20 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk
wrote:
A lot has been written about the origins of the microcomputer. I wrote a
book on the topic. Many thanks for mentioning Canada. Whether one is
playing games or doing something else micro-computing is usually associated
with a microp
> On Mar 9, 2023, at 5:20 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> A lot has been written about the origins of the microcomputer. I wrote a
> book on the topic. Many thanks for mentioning Canada. Whether one is
> playing games or doing something else micro-computing is usually associated
A lot has been written about the origins of the microcomputer. I wrote a
book on the topic. Many thanks for mentioning Canada. Whether one is
playing games or doing something else micro-computing is usually associated
with a microprocessor as CPU. Anything earlier is a minicomputer or
something els
Well thanks to ya'll prodding - I've brought it up to her again, and she
actually said "hmm, alright, maybe" ! Next week happens to be our spring
break - so. we might give it a shot !
So probably no final rendering this weekend - but hopefully by the end of
the month.
On Thu, Mar 9, 2
Most important of all, for the video,
your daughter should decide what parameters matter to her!
On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
Sellam,
It seems to come down to agreement (or lack thereof) on the definition of
"personal computer".
One criteria to me is not so much about
On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
A third criteria is that it was built as a consumer product - meaning not
just a hand full exist. The rationale here is that it is a "repeatable
product" and the process of how the thing was made isn't so esoteric or
obscure (or enough "productio
On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
It seems to come down to agreement (or lack thereof) on the definition of
"personal computer".
Somehow I feel like this debate has been had before. Probably here.
Probably several times.
Sellam
It is a permanent topic.
Along with "First".
(
Sellam,
> It seems to come down to agreement (or lack thereof) on the definition of
> "personal computer".
One criteria to me is not so much about the machine/system itself, but on
how it is originally financed.
If it costs more than a house or has to be financed by a committee, then
it's not pe
On 2023-03-09 10:31 a.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
No doubt it was capable of being operated by a single user, but that to me
does not make it a personal computer. The LGP-30 was used in schools and
offices not targeted for industrial use. There is really no reason why any
computer coul
It seems to come down to agreement (or lack thereof) on the definition of
"personal computer".
Somehow I feel like this debate has been had before. Probably here.
Probably several times.
Sellam
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 9:31 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > John,
> > > I have the
>
>
>
> > John,
> > I have the manuals for both systems. I don't get the impression that the
> > G-15 was sold as a "personal computer" in the same way as the Royal McBee
> > LGP-23/30 were. The Bendix has an analog computing aspect as well so
> it's
> > a different beast. I am sure people used
On 3/8/23 20:01, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 6:46 PM Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
On 3/8/23 14:31, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
THe LGP-30 was to arguably the first personal electronic (non analog)
computer, my opinion, but it covers all of the bases as I see them. A
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 10:11 PM, Brian L. Stuart via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> If you all are interested a different take on the origins of
> personal computing, here's a recording I made for use during
> the pandemic of a talk that I give every year to our freshmen
> at Drexel University.
>
>
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:03 AM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> :) it makes sense, Sellam, to inform her rather than she telling us, but
> again she and others her age are the future. She will do it her way just
> like we, at her age, did it our way. Funny: i just remember
> On 03/09/2023 1:24 AM CST Steve Lewis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you all for the notes (and feedback).
>
> The 1964 skit of Patty Duke using that Univac-422 - all the markings of a
> personal computer right there, no doubt. But dragging that into a home
> doesn't make it a home compu
Grumpy Ol' Fred ,
On the GENIAC -- thanks for sharing that! It has this "killer app" called
"Masculine–Feminine Testing Machine" Brilliant!
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 2:41 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Since we are never going to completely agree on
> "First",
> "computer",
> "home com
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 3:59 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
> I had some good sized iron in my home in the early 80's.
We (my family - I put up 1/3, my mother covered the other 2/3) got a
PET in 1979. I came home from my first Dayton Hamvention in 1982 with
a PDP-8.
If a high school kid ca
Thank you all for the notes (and feedback).
The 1964 skit of Patty Duke using that Univac-422 - all the markings of a
personal computer right there, no doubt. But dragging that into a home
doesn't make it a home computer. As engineers, sure, we're good with that
- I don't even put cases on my co
:) it makes sense, Sellam, to inform her rather than she telling us, but again
she and others her age are the future. She will do it her way just like we, at
her age, did it our way. Funny: i just remembered a quote from Goonies - “this
is our time”
It is their time
Regards,
Tarek Hote
:) it makes sense, Sellam, to inform her rather than she telling us, but again
she and others her age are the future. She will do it her way just like we, at
her age, did it our way. Funny: i just remembered a quote from Goonies - “this
is our time”
It is their time
Regards,
Tarek Hotei
On Wed, Mar 08, 2023 at 05:24:40AM -0600, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
> We're making final touches on a short history-video we've been making about
> home computers (my daughter, in middle school, has been helping).
>
> If anyone has time/interest to do a review, the draft listing is here:
> htt
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 6:46 PM Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> On 3/8/23 14:31, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> > THe LGP-30 was to arguably the first personal electronic (non analog)
> > computer, my opinion, but it covers all of the bases as I see them. A
> > relatively small stand alone real ti
On 3/8/23 14:31, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
THe LGP-30 was to arguably the first personal electronic (non analog)
computer, my opinion, but it covers all of the bases as I see them. A
relatively small stand alone real time general purpose electronic computer
that one person could operate.
T
On 3/8/23 14:18, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:54 AM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
I don’t think there is a strict definition of what a home computer is. One
can argue Plato is one. Another might say Atari 2600. Someone can argue
that the A
About eight years later, I bought a TRS80 for $398. Yes, you could buy
it without the video monitor and cassette recorder.
If I had a little more spending money, I might have gotten a PET, instead,
or, not much later, but more money, an Apple2.
Those were absolutely not the first home computer,
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 1:11 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> About eight years later, I bought a TRS80 for $398. Yes, you could buy
> it without the video monitor and cassette recorder.
> If I had a little more spending money, I might have gotten a PET, instead,
> or, not much later, but more m
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 1:04 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> On 3/8/2023 2:49 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> > Don't forget that Heathkit had analog home computer kits in the 50's
> > and 60's
> >
> >
>
> I forgot all about mt GE Analog computer from the late 50
I got into it from EAM/cards.
In 1970, I was working at National Space Sciences Data Center, building 26
at Goddard Space Flight Center. Doing gofer work for a British physicist
studying the Van Allen belts, as part of an on-site contract. FORTRAN,
APL, Gerber digitizer, and plotters (Calcom
On 3/8/2023 2:49 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Don't forget that Heathkit had analog home computer kits in the 50's
and 60's
I forgot all about mt GE Analog computer from the late 50's. Still have
it, it still works even though most of the insulation on the wiring has
rotted away. I k
We can ask them by saying “we were at your age and had toys that we loved so
much that we still talk about them 40 years or so later. If you have a toy that
you want to preserve that for 40 years, what would you do?”
Regards,
Tarek Hoteit
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctal
On 3/8/2023 3:18 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:54 AM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
I don’t think there is a strict definition of what a home computer is. One
can argue Plato is one. Another might say Atari 2600. Someone can argue
that
Technically true. However, if I would reference the book “The Friendly Orange
Glow” on the history of Plato, there is a chapter I recall in which the author
mentioned someone taking a terminal to their home
Regards,
Tarek Hoteit
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
> wro
We can get them excited by thinking like them - videos (narrated by their kind
not us) and we are in the background. We play old school games and make fun of
the 8bit sounds in front of them. Some might get curious and say “why does this
sound like that?” Or “why this graphic looks so different”
On 3/8/2023 2:54 PM, Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote:
I don’t think there is a strict definition of what a home computer is. One can
argue Plato is one.
There must be a Plato I don't know about. The one I saw when I was in IT at
West Point was bigger than a desk. Hardly what would have pass
I'd invite any one here to docent the museum for a day, it will provide a
lot of perspective as to the general public view on computer history. I
learned quickly you can't fire\hose people, kids in particular with a lot
of factoids. Most people just want to walk around and look, they don't
need a
That is great news. I think these kids saw the 90s as NES (Mario), Sega
(Sonic), and their dads playing either Leisure Suite Larry and later Doom on
the PC. I think we need to find a way to pull them to this news group, rather
than them pulling us to their Discord chats, and then all of us woul
Running museum (kennettclassic.com) I meet with kids daily who are very
interested in computing history. They all seem to know the Youtubers who
specialize in vintage gaming and computing. These youtube channels are not
always historically accurate but it's a start. Most younger people
gravita
> On 03/08/2023 2:42 PM CST Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 12:40 PM Will Cooke via cctalk
> wrote:
So, how do we get them interested? I
> > can't think of a better idea than asking one of the few that IS
> > interested. Can you?
>
> But ask them what exact
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 12:40 PM Will Cooke via cctalk
wrote:
> Everyone on this list is going to die sometime. Some sooner than later.
> We need young people if all or any part of this history is going to be
> preserved past us. All of the "museum" fiascos that have been covered here
> show how
Since we are never going to completely agree on
"First",
"computer",
"home computer",
"home computing", (using a a terminal with a remote computer)
might I suggest the works of Edmund Berkeley.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geniac
https://www.instructables.com/GENIAC-Electric-Brain-Replica/
Ful
> On 03/08/2023 2:21 PM CST Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:55 AM Will Cooke via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On 03/08/2023 11:59 AM CST Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > We probably need to get more advice from her on
On 2023-03-08 2:13 p.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
There is ample evidence of people doing personal computing before the
microprocessor was invented. There was a whole terminal/time sharing scene
in the late 60s, plus people who did personal computung by using the
machine at a school, work
THe LGP-30 was to arguably the first personal electronic (non analog)
computer, my opinion, but it covers all of the bases as I see them. A
relatively small stand alone real time general purpose electronic computer
that one person could operate.
Bill
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 3:22 PM Sellam Abraham
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:55 AM Will Cooke via cctalk
wrote:
>
> > On 03/08/2023 11:59 AM CST Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
>
> > We probably need to get more advice from her on what we all, old-school
> timers, should do to help keep the legacy going on !
> >
> >
Thank you, Bill!
When Steve posted the video about the history of computers, I thought something
like “cool to see another video” But when he mentioned a middle schooler
helping, that changed the entire perspective for me. I am close to 50. I have
seen and been part of vintage and classic comput
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:54 AM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I don’t think there is a strict definition of what a home computer is. One
> can argue Plato is one. Another might say Atari 2600. Someone can argue
> that the Altair is the first.
A very good argument coul
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:54 AM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I don’t think there is a strict definition of what a home computer is. One
> can argue Plato is one. Another might say Atari 2600. Someone can argue
> that the Altair is the first. It is unfair to make the au
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:49 AM Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
> Don't forget that Heathkit had analog home computer kits in the 50's and
> 60's
>
>
> https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/restoring-the-heathkit-es-400-computer
>
> https://s3data.computerhistory.org/brochures/heath.analog.1956.
> On 03/08/2023 11:59 AM CST Tarek Hoteit via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> We probably need to get more advice from her on what we all, old-school
> timers, should do to help keep the legacy going on !
>
> Regards,
> Tarek Hoteit
>
That statement may be the most important one on this list in a lo
e earliest versions
>> b
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 2:37 PM Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-
>>>> From: Paul Koning via cctalk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:25 PM
&
and kenbak was not the first "home computer" when will that one die I
don't know.
..NRI 832 pre-dates by at least 6 months
:-)
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 2:49 PM Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
> Don't forget that Heathkit had analog home computer kits in the 50's and
> 60's
>
>
> https://www.nutsvolts
Don't forget that Heathkit had analog home computer kits in the 50's and
60's
https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/restoring-the-heathkit-es-400-computer
https://s3data.computerhistory.org/brochures/heath.analog.1956.102646297.pdf
https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/May2016_Heathkit
M via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Paul Koning via cctalk
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:25 PM
>> > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
>> > Cc: Paul Koning
>> > Subject: [cctalk] Re: on
org> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Paul Koning via cctalk
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:25 PM
> > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> > Cc: Paul Koning
> > Subject: [cctalk] Re: on the origin of home computers
> >
> >
> >
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 2:37 PM,
> wrote:
>
> ...
> Computer Games are almost as old as (Turing Complete) Computers. Alan Turing
> insisted that the Manchester/Ferranti MK1 had a Random Number generator.
> Christopher Strachey wrote a tic-tac-toe (noughts and crosses to the
> English) program w
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Koning via cctalk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 7:25 PM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Cc: Paul Koning
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: on the origin of home computers
>
>
> > On Mar 8, 2023, at 2:13 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
&
> On Mar 8, 2023, at 2:13 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> There is ample evidence of people doing personal computing before the
> microprocessor was invented. There was a whole terminal/time sharing scene
> in the late 60s, plus people who did personal computung by using the
> machin
I?).
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Steve Lewis via cctalk
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 11:54 AM
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > Cc: Steve Lewis
> > Subject: [cctalk] R
ation (I am
> right about the computer narrator, aren't I?).
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Steve Lewis via cctalk
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 11:54 AM
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> &g
like the computer generated narration (I am right about
> the computer narrator, aren't I?).
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Lewis via cctalk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 11:54 AM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Cc: Steve Lewis
&g
1:54 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Cc: Steve Lewis
Subject: [cctalk] Re: on the origin of home computers
Adrian,
> There's a long tail to the video with no video and blank audio. After
> a while, a section of audio from the main flow is repeated.
Thanks, yeah th
She made you proud!! If all our kids can get as excited and curious about the
history of computers as your daughter then the future will be so bright.
We probably need to get more advice from her on what we all, old-school timers,
should do to help keep the legacy going on !
Regards,
Tarek Hote
I like that you've included machines like the HP and IBM - sometimes these
histories start with the Altair as being the first one at an affordable
price, but I'm sure those desktop machines got to a lot of scientific homes
before the enthusiasts machines began to appear.
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 5:
Tarek,
> This is awesome, Steve. First of all please give a high five to your
middle-schooler daughter whom you had her help make such a high
> quality video. I assume that such videos will also be shared at schools,
and your daughter’s friends. It would help raise awareness on
> the history of co
Adrian,
> There's a long tail to the video with no video and blank audio. After a
> while, a section of audio from the main flow is repeated.
Thanks, yeah that was a left over to compare an alternate ending. One
idea is to make it such that the video can "loop" seamlessly for continuous
play,
This is awesome, Steve. First of all please give a high five to your
middle-schooler daughter whom you had her help make such a high quality video.
I assume that such videos will also be shared at schools, and your daughter’s
friends. It would help raise awareness on the history of computers tha
Not really technical, but a couple of presentation points :
There's a long tail to the video with no video and blank audio. After a
while, a section of audio from the main flow is repeated.
It seems to be common to consider Youtube videos more approachable if
they're up to about 10 minutes long.
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