On 28/05/2016 11:27 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:
Thanks Lionel,
You just helped me start a new list!
Hi Paul, and others
You have stimulated me to drag out a couple more useful programs -
basic stuff, I used
them to demo to students, and get them started. Also the practical side
to check
Thanks Lionel,
You just helped me start a new list!
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Lionel Johnson
wrote:
> On 25/05/2016 5:06 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:
>
>> I used to have a notebook of toggle in programs for the PDP8s and PDP11s,
>> but it seems to be lost forever.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 08:35:33PM +0100, Dave Wade wrote:
> one salesman claims to have sold 1,000.
And we know salesmen would never, ever, lie.
mcl
On 2016-05-26 1:43 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 05/26/2016 08:54 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Speaking of ribbons, in college I occasionally used a type of ribbon
I've never seen on line printers since: a film ribbon. Think of the
"letter quality" ribbons used on professional typewriters, or daisy
On 05/26/2016 12:33 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
On 2016-May-25, at 6:14 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 05/25/2016 05:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Jon Elson
>> I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service
>> bureau machine; it had (IIRC) ... a 4301 printer.
On 2016-May-25, at 6:14 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On 05/25/2016 05:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> > From: Jon Elson
>>
>> >> I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service
>> >> bureau machine; it had (IIRC) ... a 4301 printer.
>>
>> > I'm guessing, maybe,
On 05/26/2016 06:51 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> Apart from that, it's not credible for another reason. CDC Cyber
> operating systems always spooled printer output to disk (unlike
> OS/360 which did it in some variants but not others -- notably not
> OS/360 PCP which I used since our 360/44 wasn't
On 05/26/2016 08:54 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Speaking of ribbons, in college I occasionally used a type of ribbon I've never seen on
line printers since: a film ribbon. Think of the "letter quality" ribbons used
on professional typewriters, or daisy wheel printers, a thin plastic film with
On 05/26/2016 05:02 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
In addition to reading/writing memory locations, and basic machine control
(boot, start, stop, continue, single-step, etc), some machines had additional
functionality, but what it was (if any) varied widely from machine to machine.
Most IBM 360's
> On May 25, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 05/25/2016 07:22 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
>
>> Speaking of dumps I remember an engineer friend telling me that at
>> the university that he went to they had a CDC Cyber system and they
>> discovered that you could
> On May 25, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
>
>> ...
> Yeah I watch some of the large system guys disassemble and repair trains and
> of course when you put them back together you had to make sure the slugs
> where all in the right order. We had customers that would
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 24 May 2016, Swift Griggs wrote:
>
>
>> It probably still impressed the suits when they walked the data center.
>> I've done data center tours with row after row of HP or Dell x86 servers
>> and it's not much
On 25/05/2016 5:06 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:
I used to have a notebook of toggle in programs for the PDP8s and PDP11s,
but it seems to be lost forever.
Not being a software person it takes me hours to write and debug the
simplest routines. Is there a site with a list of toggle in maintenance
On 25/05/2016 5:06 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:
I used to have a notebook of toggle in programs for the PDP8s and PDP11s,
but it seems to be lost forever.
Not being a software person it takes me hours to write and debug the
simplest routines. Is there a site with a list of toggle in maintenance
> From: Swift Griggs
> I'm curious about all these older machines with front panel buttons and
> switches. What all did they do?
In addition to reading/writing memory locations, and basic machine control
(boot, start, stop, continue, single-step, etc), some machines had additional
At UMR, for whatever reason they had no carriage control on tape channel
12. If you were a clever (and unpopular) coder you could skip to
channel 12 an accomplish the same thing.
Programming languages in the shop had library overrides to make that a
carriage control (another channel) but
On 05/25/2016 12:41 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson wrote:
Card (paper) ones did exist! But I suspect they were only
for emergency FE use.
It may be that the mylar ones were not manual-punch
friendly, so you could
make a duplicate to use while you waited for the proper
spare to arrive.
There's a
On 05/25/2016 07:22 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
> Speaking of dumps I remember an engineer friend telling me that at
> the university that he went to they had a CDC Cyber system and they
> discovered that you could initiate a dump from any workstation, and
> the system would dump out to the printer
On 2016-05-25 10:43 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
The train printers did have an obvious advantage over both the drum
and band printers. In our shop, we printed lots and lots of core
dumps. Add to a full CM dump, a couple of million words of ECS and the
"0" characters wore out pretty quickly. You
On 05/25/2016 06:16 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
> I only ever saw one of the drum style high speed printers and I think
> it was a Honeywell wavey line printer. I remember the operator
> demoed it for us by printing a picture, if you printed a whole line
> of the same character it would fire every
On 2016-05-25 10:14 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 05/25/2016 05:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Jon Elson
>> I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their
main service
>> bureau machine; it had (IIRC) ... a 4301 printer.
> I'm guessing, maybe, that would be a
On 2016-05-25 9:46 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/25/2016 05:17 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
The train printers where amazing technology but what often killed
the trains was an operator who neglected to top off the oil
reservoir, if the train went dry they would literally screech to a
halt. It was
On 05/25/2016 05:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Jon Elson
>> I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service
>> bureau machine; it had (IIRC) ... a 4301 printer.
> I'm guessing, maybe, that would be a 1403 printer?
Ah, right you are! The old grey
On 05/25/2016 02:51 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I have a related question. All of the S/260s that I've seen had 2400
series tape drives. But my "green card" makes reference to 729 drives
as well. Does anyone recall them being installed on a S/360 system?
--Chuck
Well, the early 2400 tape drives
On 05/25/2016 05:17 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
> The train printers where amazing technology but what often killed
> the trains was an operator who neglected to top off the oil
> reservoir, if the train went dry they would literally screech to a
> halt. It was always interesting when someone put a
On 2016-05-25 8:48 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/25/2016 03:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Those printers had an amazingly long life! They were first introduced
in 1959 with the 1401 computer, and, like I said, the brand spanking
new System 3 they got in ca. 1976 came with one! I wonder when IBM
On 2016-05-25 8:47 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
On 5/25/2016 4:29 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Those printers had an amazingly long life! They were first
introduced in 1959
with the 1401 computer, and, like I said, the brand spanking new
System 3
they got in ca.
On 5/25/2016 4:29 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Those printers had an amazingly long life! They were first introduced
in 1959
with the 1401 computer, and, like I said, the brand spanking new
System 3
they got in ca. 1976 came with one! I wonder when IBM
On 05/25/2016 03:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> Those printers had an amazingly long life! They were first introduced
> in 1959 with the 1401 computer, and, like I said, the brand spanking
> new System 3 they got in ca. 1976 came with one! I wonder when IBM
> stopped producing them?
One of the
On Wed, 25 May 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Those printers had an amazingly long life! They were first introduced in 1959
with the 1401 computer, and, like I said, the brand spanking new System 3
they got in ca. 1976 came with one! I wonder when IBM stopped producing
them?
Did they discontinue
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:48 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
>> I'm guessing, maybe, that would be a 1403 printer? There were 1403 and 1443
>> printers.
>
> There was also a 1404 printer, but I do not think many places had them.
>
> Does anyone know what became of the two S/360
> From: Jon Elson
>> I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service
>> bureau machine; it had (IIRC) ... a 4301 printer.
> I'm guessing, maybe, that would be a 1403 printer?
Ah, right you are! The old grey cells are, well, old! ;-)
Those printers had an
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
> Sent: 25 May 2016 20:54
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?
>
On 5/25/2016 12:51 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I have a related question. All of the S/260s that I've seen had 2400
series tape drives. But my "green card" makes reference to 729 drives
as well. Does anyone recall them being installed on a S/360 system?
--Chuck
Our 360/50 had 2400 drives. Read
On 05/25/2016 12:35 PM, Dave Wade wrote:
> According to Wikip around 10,000 1130's were sold.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1130
>
> one salesman claims to have sold 1,000. They were dotted about all
> over the place, so when I was a Student in the UK Newcastle
> University had a
I have a related question. All of the S/260s that I've seen had 2400
series tape drives. But my "green card" makes reference to 729 drives
as well. Does anyone recall them being installed on a S/360 system?
--Chuck
On 2016-May-24, at 5:48 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>> On May 24, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
>>> Yes, I examined this in some detail last year after mention on the list,
>>> and wrote it up:
On 2016-May-24, at 5:30 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
>> Yes, I examined this in some detail last year after mention on the list, and
>> wrote it up:
>>http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/corerope/index.html
>
> That's a
On 2016-May-24, at 7:18 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On 05/24/2016 02:33 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
>> On 2016-May-24, at 12:08 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>>> On 05/24/2016 11:22 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 5/24/16 10:44 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> There was also automated "stapled wire". I forget
> I'm guessing, maybe, that would be a 1403 printer? There were 1403 and 1443
> printers.
There was also a 1404 printer, but I do not think many places had them.
Does anyone know what became of the two S/360 model 20 systems that
came out of Sweden a year or two ago? They were fairly complete
On 25/05/16 01:03, Paul Berger wrote:
On 2016-05-24 7:44 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/24/2016 02:21 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
The CROS cards used in a 360/30 where the same size as an 80 column
card on purpose so you could you a keypunch machine to program the
microcode.
But I believe that
On 05/25/2016 12:11 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/25/2016 10:06 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
The only language supported on the 360/20 was RPG. For a mostly tab
card type of operation, you could actually do a lot in RPG.
Otherwise, you had to write in machine language and get it assembled
on another
On 2016-05-25 2:06 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 05/25/2016 12:01 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Jon Elson
> the /20 was intended for very specific uses in 360 shops, and
maybe as
> an entry-level "foot in the door" to move totally tab card
shops into
> the 360 family. The
>
> The only language supported on the 360/20 was RPG. For a mostly tab card
> type of operation, you could actually do a lot in RPG. Otherwise, you had
> to write in machine language and get it assembled on another system.
I never used a /20, but I did a lot RPG/II on a model /40. It is in
On 05/25/2016 10:06 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> The only language supported on the 360/20 was RPG. For a mostly tab
> card type of operation, you could actually do a lot in RPG.
> Otherwise, you had to write in machine language and get it assembled
> on another system.
My recollection was that
On 05/25/2016 09:01 AM, jwsmobile wrote:
> McAuto in St. Louis used a lot of the /20's for their printer farm,
> and that was the only place I ever saw one in use. They spooled tape
> to printer in the use it was put to.
According to WikiP, IBM leased over 7,000 of the 20s, so that would make
On 05/25/2016 12:01 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> From: Jon Elson
> the /20 was intended for very specific uses in 360 shops, and maybe as
> an entry-level "foot in the door" to move totally tab card shops into
> the 360 family. The only /20s I ever saw were used as offline
> From: Jon Elson
> the /20 was intended for very specific uses in 360 shops, and maybe as
> an entry-level "foot in the door" to move totally tab card shops into
> the 360 family. The only /20s I ever saw were used as offline spool
> printers and card readers in large 360
On 5/25/2016 8:48 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
The only /20s I ever saw were used as offline spool printers and card
readers in large 360 shops.
At our school, University of Missouri, Rolla, they purchased a 360/50 in
maybe 69 or so. Because of the nature of the order it couldn't be
delivered, and
On 05/24/2016 11:47 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/24/2016 08:48 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
For sure! The 360/30 was an 8 BIT machine, 8-bit memory, 8-bit data
paths, etc. Really hobbled the performance, and restricted the
peripherals that could be attached. The models /22 and /25 had 16-bit
memory
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> The emulator was loaded, on those rare occasions where the memory got
> wiped, using the "Emulator IPL" button, from a binary card deck. That deck
> was pretty slick: it was a channel program loop. No CPU code
> is dated almost exactly one month before DEC announced the PDP-8 and I am
> sure targets the same markets DEC did. You just wonder if IBM had spies in
> DEC, or more likely they both spotted a marketing opportunity.
The latter. Every company in the world seems to have explored the
On 2016-05-25 7:06 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
paths.
Do you mean the 360/20? On the topic, were the 20 and 40 the only members
of System 360 to use TROS?
I remember picking up the programming manual for a Model 20 and realizing
that I'd essentially have to re-learn programming. 16 bit registers,
> On May 24, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
> On 05/24/2016 02:13 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>> I seem to recall that reworking the 360/30 microprogramming was preferred by
>> tinkerers over the 360/40 was primarily that CROS was easier to work with
>> than TROS. I
> On May 24, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
>
> On 05/24/2016 12:17 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>> A couple of observations.
>>
>> Taking the PDP-11 as a fairly typical example, the switches are "data" and
>> "address". While running, the data switches were visible to
paths.
>
> Do you mean the 360/20? On the topic, were the 20 and 40 the only members
> of System 360 to use TROS?
>
> I remember picking up the programming manual for a Model 20 and realizing
> that I'd essentially have to re-learn programming. 16 bit registers,
> stripped-
> down instruction
On 05/24/2016 08:48 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> For sure! The 360/30 was an 8 BIT machine, 8-bit memory, 8-bit data
> paths, etc. Really hobbled the performance, and restricted the
> peripherals that could be attached. The models /22 and /25 had 16-bit
> memory and data paths.
Do you mean the
On 05/24/2016 09:29 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/24/2016 07:05 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
And the 360/25 had all writeable control store. The control store
was just the top 16 KB of main core memory! To change emulators,
restore from a microprogram crash, etc. you loaded the emulator from
a card
On 05/24/2016 05:44 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/24/2016 02:21 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
The CROS cards used in a 360/30 where the same size as an 80 column
card on purpose so you could you a keypunch machine to program the
microcode.
But I believe that the CROS cards were mylar, no?
On the
On 05/24/2016 02:33 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
On 2016-May-24, at 12:08 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/24/2016 11:22 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 5/24/16 10:44 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
There was also automated "stapled wire". I forget the name for the
process.
stitch wire
you spot weld to a socket
On 05/24/2016 02:15 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Yes, but there was a trademarked name for the process that slips my
mind. Capable of very high densities.
Multiwire?
No, multiwire is a process where lots of wires are laid down
On 05/24/2016 01:22 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 5/24/16 10:44 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
There was also automated "stapled wire". I forget the name for the process.
stitch wire
you spot weld to a socket post
No, there was another system made by AMP. The backplane
connectors had rectangular
On 05/24/2016 11:54 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
Oh and here is a replica of an Apollo launch computer with
a component LED display like I was mentioning:
http://i.imgur.com/bbXZVcx.jpg ... probably too expensive
to embed in a computer system, but still hard to beat for
geek aesthetics. -Swift
On 2016-05-24 9:30 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
Yes, I examined this in some detail last year after mention on the list, and
wrote it up:
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/corerope/index.html
That's a great write-up!
> On May 24, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
>> Yes, I examined this in some detail last year after mention on the list, and
>> wrote it up:
>>
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2016, Charles Anthony wrote:
> > "Older machines" covers a lot of ground.
>
> Sorry, I should have said "machines from the 50's - 70's which used
> buttons, toggles, rockers or other switches on the
On 2016-05-24 7:44 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/24/2016 02:21 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
The CROS cards used in a 360/30 where the same size as an 80 column
card on purpose so you could you a keypunch machine to program the
microcode.
But I believe that the CROS cards were mylar, no?
--Chuck
On 05/24/2016 02:52 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> So if not Multiwire, perhaps Unilayer. They are similar but visibly
> distinguishable.
Hitachi Chemical still seems to be active in this area:
http://www.hitachi-chemical.com/products_pwb_05.htm
--Chuck
On 05/24/2016 02:21 PM, Paul Berger wrote:
> The CROS cards used in a 360/30 where the same size as an 80 column
> card on purpose so you could you a keypunch machine to program the
> microcode.
But I believe that the CROS cards were mylar, no?
--Chuck
On Tue, 24 May 2016, Sean Caron wrote:
> It's true, modern computers are pretty dull to look at, but you can
> still find some stunning views in the data center from time to time.
Heh, that would be when the sales girls come walking through doing client
tours on Fridays while one of us geeks is
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 05/24/2016 12:15 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Chuck Guzis
>> wrote:
>>> Yes, but there was a trademarked name for the process that slips
>>> my mind. Capable of very high
On Tue, 24 May 2016, Swift Griggs wrote:
It probably still impressed the suits when they walked the data center.
I've done data center tours with row after row of HP or Dell x86 servers
and it's not much to look at.
-Swift
It's true, modern computers are pretty dull to look at, but you
On 2016-05-24 4:13 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/24/2016 11:39 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Paul Koning
wrote:
On May 24, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Guzis
wrote: ...and the "transformer" ROS used on the 360/40 (and
others).
On 2016-May-24, at 1:49 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
>> We were discussing this last year, perhaps I'm being pedantic but I would
>> note that while, as you say, there is commonality of principle in use of
>> induction and the
> On 5/24/2016 12:15 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>>> Yes, but there was a trademarked name for the process that slips my
>>> mind. Capable of very high densities.
>>
>> Multiwire?
On 2016-May-24, at 1:26 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
We bought a Multiwire job on our clone of the Microdata 1600 and the
tech it used, I think, was welded wires laid in muck that was soft.
They would fab up a firm carrier board with all the thru-holes set, then
put down a soft pliable layer of epoxy(??). They would weld one of the
wires to an
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To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
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Subject: Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?
On 2016-05-24 1:54 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2016, Charles Anthony wrote:
>> Honeywell 6180 display panels:
>> http://jimsoldtoys
On 2016-May-24, at 11:39 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
>>> On May 24, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>>> ...and the "transformer" ROS used on the 360/40 (and others).
>> You mean "Core rope memory"?
>
On 05/24/2016 12:15 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Chuck Guzis
> wrote:
>> Yes, but there was a trademarked name for the process that slips
>> my mind. Capable of very high densities.
>
>
> Multiwire?
That sounds familiar!
--Chuck
On 05/24/2016 12:18 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> EL (Electro-luminescent) is another technology that more-directly
> excites the phosphor with an AC supply. No vacuum bottle or hot
> filament. Nowhere near as prevalent as VF.
You still see them in military/aerospace applications. Planar used to be
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Charles Anthony <
charles.unix@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Swift Griggs
> wrote:
>
>>
>> It probably still impressed the suits when they walked the data center.
>> I've done data center tours with row after
On 2016-May-24, at 12:08 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 05/24/2016 11:22 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>>
>> On 5/24/16 10:44 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>>
>>> There was also automated "stapled wire". I forget the name for the
>>> process.
>>
>> stitch wire
>>
>> you spot weld to a socket post
>
> Yes, but
On 2016-May-24, at 11:58 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2016, Marc Howard wrote:
>> Those aren't LED's on the Apollo display. They are EL's (Electro
>> Luminescent displays). Each segment of each digit was controlled by a
>> relay. They astronauts eventually got use to the tinkling
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> Yes, but there was a trademarked name for the process that slips my
> mind. Capable of very high densities.
Multiwire?
On 05/24/2016 11:39 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Paul Koning
> wrote:
>>> On May 24, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Guzis
>>> wrote: ...and the "transformer" ROS used on the 360/40 (and
>>> others).
>> You mean "Core rope memory"?
>
On 05/24/2016 11:22 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>
> On 5/24/16 10:44 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>> There was also automated "stapled wire". I forget the name for the
>> process.
>>
>
> stitch wire
>
> you spot weld to a socket post
Yes, but there was a trademarked name for the process that slips
I used to have a notebook of toggle in programs for the PDP8s and PDP11s,
but it seems to be lost forever.
Not being a software person it takes me hours to write and debug the
simplest routines. Is there a site with a list of toggle in maintenance
programs?
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:23 AM,
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
> Is that the same as the EL that was used in the 1980's on lots of old
> stereo gear ? Ie.. you'd hit rewind and some little backlit
> glass-and-silkscreen template would say "Rewind" in blue or green or etc..
Those
On Tue, 24 May 2016, Marc Howard wrote:
> Those aren't LED's on the Apollo display. They are EL's (Electro
> Luminescent displays). Each segment of each digit was controlled by a
> relay. They astronauts eventually got use to the tinkling sound of the
> relays.
Is that the same as the EL
On Tue, 24 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote:
> I think one of the most impressive front panels is that of the IBM 360/91:
> http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/36091.html
Ha! I was looking at that and I said to myself "This looks like something
that'd have been at NASA during the
> On May 24, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 05/24/2016 11:00 AM, jwsmobile wrote:
>
>> Diode boards were one form of read only storage in systems. Another
>> was the IBM and other's capacitance system.
>
> ...and the "transformer" ROS used on the 360/40 (and
On 5/24/16 10:44 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> There was also automated "stapled wire". I forget the name for the process.
>
stitch wire
you spot weld to a socket post
On 05/24/2016 11:00 AM, jwsmobile wrote:
> Diode boards were one form of read only storage in systems. Another
> was the IBM and other's capacitance system.
...and the "transformer" ROS used on the 360/40 (and others).
--Chuck
It was thus said that the Great Swift Griggs once stated:
> On Tue, 24 May 2016, william degnan wrote:
> > Here's a power point pres I did at VCF-E4, this will get you started.
> > Using Altair 680b front panel in basic terms is covered a few slides in.
> >
On 5/24/2016 9:56 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2016, Jon Elson wrote:
The early PDP-11s had a diode matrix ROM for the boot memory. You could
change the boot code with a wire cutter and soldering iron.
Is that similar to "wire wrap" ? I remember my grandmother talking about
having
On 05/24/2016 10:25 AM, Charles Anthony wrote:
> Very good for prototyping, automated wirewrapping was for some
> production.
There was also automated "stapled wire". I forget the name for the process.
I still prototype projects where I'm not entirely sure of what I'm after
using wirewrap.
Those aren't LED's on the Apollo display. They are EL's (Electro
Luminescent displays). Each segment of each digit was controlled by a
relay. They astronauts eventually got use to the tinkling sound of the
relays.
In fact the entire console panel of the command module was a giant EL,
covered
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Swift Griggs wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2016, Jon Elson wrote:
> > The early PDP-11s had a diode matrix ROM for the boot memory. You could
> > change the boot code with a wire cutter and soldering iron.
>
> Is that similar to "wire wrap" ? I
On 2016-May-24, at 9:34 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
>> The improved reliablity of LSI logic over discrete and SSI, and the creation
>> of ROM chips of reasonable capacity (to hold the bootstrap or a monitor),
>> would bring about the demise of the blinkenlight front panel.
>> Note that only a
On 2016-05-24 1:54 PM, Swift Griggs wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2016, Charles Anthony wrote:
Honeywell 6180 display panels:
http://jimsoldtoys.blogspot.com/2016/03/honeywell-6180-system-maintenance-panel.html
Holy rocker switch, Batman! Is that all for one machine? That looks like a
man-machine
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