Re: And The Blatant Lies Begin

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Sam wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Of course there's the bogus Palin claim about the bridge to nowhere >> but now there's worse: > > Nothing bogus about it. Republicans: they were against change before they were

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Beth In Alaska
Erika, I'm sorry - in a conference all week and having trouble keeping up and missed your comments to me. Of course I'm not thumbing my nose at you - I think you are a stellar human. I'm so stretched timewise and stressed out perhaps I'm writing too tersely! I'm very sorry!! What I meant: To s

Re: We need more cowbell (was Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers)

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Dana wrote: > the buzzz is gaming to teach millenials. At least that's my understanding... Millenials? I thought I was up on the educational lingo... Ah. Interesting. I would have went with Nintendo, but I'm an old fart. ;] There's a cool sci-fi book about

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
That qualifies as tough campaigning, not as a global conspiracy theory. Kerry screwed himself. He should have never done the military angle, that was a stupid, stupid choice. The rule in politics is that you can change your mind once about any issue, but not twice. So Kerry goes to Vietnam, then t

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
Nice FUD. The dollar is up 20 cents against the Euro in the last two months. Oil is down almost $40/barrel. The economy is growing, despite all the turmoil in the housing and banking sectors (and no thanks to Democratic operatives like Frank Raines at Fannie Mae. Thanks again, Frank.) Oh, and by t

Re: Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
This woman drank the Steinem Kool-Aid years ago, apparently. Read Camille Paglia. Now that's a woman who supports women's power, and she doesn't have a political litmus test for it, either. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Beth wrote: > How did Sarah Palin become a symbol of women's empowerment?

the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-10 Thread Beth In Alaska
The infamous bridge to nowhere. So, if you ever fly into ketchikan airport, you can't go outside and walk around the town of ketchikan, because you are out in the ocean on a tiny island. You have to take a FERRY from the airport on Gravina Island to the city of ketchikan. The bridge would be crea

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
Since Camille Paglia is ten times the woman you are, I'm siding with her. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Gruss wrote: >> RoMunn wrote: >> I would encourage you to read what Camille Paglia wrote about Sarah >> Palin, > > Every feminist knows that having a hot anchor woman with a > communications

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
I agree with that. I like Bill Clinton's approach- making abortion safe, legal, and rare. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Dana wrote: > I am all for a big tent. I am also in favor of sex education, access > to contraceptives, and if needed abortion. I am especially in favor of > making abortion

truth in campaigning -how important is it?

2008-09-10 Thread Beth In Alaska
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/09/AR2008090903727_pf.html As Campaign Heats Up, Untruths Can Become Facts Before They're Undone By Jonathan Weisman Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 10, 2008; A01 >From the moment Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin declared tha

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Claiming that "lipstick on a pig" is a sexist remark. Give me a break. What about the old fish comment? > 2. Palin claiming to have refused federal spending for that "bridge to > nowhere." In fact, she killed the project out of

Re: eBay Jet, The Real Story

2008-09-10 Thread Beth In Alaska
- Original Message - From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: eBay Jet, The Real Story > SUMMARY - She lied. Surprise! > --- > * It wasn't her idea; Alaska had been selling

Re: WHAT A CROCK!

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
And McCain said that right after Hillary made a joke about soccer moms and pit bulls. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > talk about hypocrisy??? > wtf > > GREAT trustworthy guy we got here. > what a putz. > again. > what a putz. > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WM

Feminist on Palin. Interesting article.

2008-09-10 Thread Beth In Alaska
How did Sarah Palin become a symbol of women's empowerment? And how did I, a die-hard feminist, end up terrified at the idea of a woman in the White House? By Rebecca Traister Sep. 11, 2008 | I have been dreaming about Sarah Palin. (Apparently, I'm not alone.) I wish I could say that I'd been

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
If while playing poker, you put in 100 dollars, then take out 100 dollars, do you care who's pocket the bills were in? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > put 100% in where? the world market? and are you sure it's not "we > put in 5% and take out 100%"

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's illogical. We don't need "easing" we need ASAP. There is no ASAP unless you want to eliminate the food supply. > Why dedicate more resources, and destroy more of the environment, for > not much gain? > > I'd *far* rat

Re: WHAT A CROCK!

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
oh yeah. They really put their foot in it rushing to paint the remark as sexist. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > talk about hypocrisy??? > wtf > > GREAT trustworthy guy we got here. > what a putz. > again. > what a putz. > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPYkNQl

Re: And The Blatant Lies Begin

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > McCain was way wrong with that add, I agree. > FECK! I had my money on choke a baby on live TV while roasting a plate of kittens. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to d

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > I noticed you skipped all teh important stuff. > >> **Note: "known terrorist" defined as any entity capable of initiating >> communication of any means via any media to any other entity in the >> US. The government further retains the right to use any communication >> against you i

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
They would have. With Gore too :P On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > conspiracy theory? The Bushies all but said that the terrorists would > win if Kerry was elected. People bought it. Remember, I spent twelve > hours a day on the phone at the end of the last electi

Re: eBay Jet, The Real Story

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
Are you crazy? She became governor and sold the jet. She put in on eBay. You want her to explain the whole process every time? Point is she didn't let it sit for years costing a fortune or use it. She cut the fat. Jets gone and they don't have to pay $20k a month anymore. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at

RE: [LOL] Gina Gershon Strips Down Palin

2008-09-10 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:58 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: [LOL] Gina Gershon Strips Down Palin > > "Sarah Palin: if she shoots you in the face it was because she was > aiming for it" > > http://www.funnyo

Re: And The Blatant Lies Begin

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course there's the bogus Palin claim about the bridge to nowhere > but now there's worse: Nothing bogus about it. > (1.) A McCain ad saying Obama backed legislation to teach > "'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartn

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > conspiracy theory? The Bushies all but said that the terrorists would > win if Kerry was elected. People bought it. Yeah, and because we elected Bush we can all sleep comfortable because: * Bin Laden is still running loose, * Afghanistan needs more troops, * we've got no political

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
I noticed you skipped all teh important stuff. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sam wrote: >> If you're not getting calls from a known terrorist** overseas they >> aren't listening. >> > > **Note: "known terrorist" defined as any entity capable of initiati

Re: eBay Jet, The Real Story

2008-09-10 Thread Tony
awesome. and the walls come crumblin down and the walls come crumblin' crumblin' w0rd -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SUMMARY - She lied. Surprise! > -

Re: [LOL] Gina Gershon Strips Down Palin

2008-09-10 Thread Tony
nice. i still think tina fey would TOTALLY nail that character so well -- tony Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace. -- siddhartha gautama On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Sarah Palin: if she shoots you in the face it was

[LOL] Gina Gershon Strips Down Palin

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
"Sarah Palin: if she shoots you in the face it was because she was aiming for it" http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Tri

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
conspiracy theory? The Bushies all but said that the terrorists would win if Kerry was elected. People bought it. Remember, I spent twelve hours a day on the phone at the end of the last election. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is the Obama campaign so de

eBay Jet, The Real Story

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
SUMMARY - She lied. Surprise! --- * It wasn't her idea; Alaska had been selling state assets on eBay for years. * The plane never actually sold on eBay. * Alaska lost money on the deal. -- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/10/palins-ebay-story-wh

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
ah. No, I was worried that you might think *I* was trying to start one. And yes, I know what you mean about time constraints. This is my first chance to actually think about anything non-IT since about Saturday. I still have to get back to Denny and Jim about some quite interesting things they said

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Erika L. Walker
You keep bringing up arguing and I dont think anyone is trying to have one -?? I don't think I've said anything to argue against? Yes, I don't like them - but I didn't realize what I said was supposed to start one ... I've been asking questions and stating my opinion on benign things like polls. :

Re: more burning truths from Camille Paglia

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
An interesting read. She has a point, but she is wrong on abortion, I think. Pregnancy is *very* invasive and involuntary pregnancy was a primary reason for the 19th-century pronouncement that biology is destiny. I do think that we have however moved away from access to contraceptives as the primar

Re: palin billed state for nights at her own home

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > I find this questionable. Very. > If there's one thing pork-loving Republican ladies are known for, it's ethics. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free

And The Blatant Lies Begin

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
Of course there's the bogus Palin claim about the bridge to nowhere but now there's worse: (1.) A McCain ad saying Obama backed legislation to teach "'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartners." As a state senator in Illinois Obama voted for legislation that allowed local school boards to te

Re: palin billed state for nights at her own home

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
I find this questionable. Very. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Beth In Alaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html?sid=ST2008090900325&s_pos= > > ANCHORAGE, Sept. 8 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 3

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
ah ok, makes more sense. In addition to my abortion concern, allow me to mention to McCain voted in favor of legislation making it harder to sue in equal pay cases. Your keyword there is Ledbetter, should you want to look that vote up. Again, I know you prefer to avoid argument, but I am not tryin

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Erika L. Walker
I didnt say "strong" be the lesser of the two evils ... I just said as far as polls go - he looks strong right now. My paragraph might of been misleading - but that is what I meant. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but why would "strong" be the lesser of the two

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > If you're not getting calls from a known terrorist** overseas they > aren't listening. > **Note: "known terrorist" defined as any entity capable of initiating communication of any means via any media to any other entity in the US. The government further retains the right to use an

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
I think Sam is a bot. He is programmed to issue forth with these statements upon the input of certain key words. Constitution al liberty especially set him off. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Sam wrote: >> You say plenty but

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
ok I agree with that. They were still in power for YEARS. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know as well as I do that these neo-con types are not you're old > school republican. They co-opted the party and used it to increase the > size of government and inc

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
I am all for a big tent. I am also in favor of sex education, access to contraceptives, and if needed abortion. I am especially in favor of making abortion very rarely needed but I am very very firmly against the state telling anyone they HAVE to give birth. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Robert

Re: WHAT A CROCK!

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Weegs wrote: > GREAT trustworthy guy we got here. > what a putz. > again. > what a putz. > If any wants a fembot, there's one for sale at any price. She comes with an unknown number of houses. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
why did I know you were talking to Sam. Who else would say Planned Parentlhood was like PETA? > The proof is in the pudding, Sam. You really think things are the > best they've been? That we're better off now than we were 8 years > ago? That the future is as bright as it could have been? yep

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > The Supreme Court Justices appointed in the next presidency *will* > hear a case involving abortion and there *will* be at least one and > probably two justices appointed by the next president. There is just > no question about that. And the current majority in favor of upholding >

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
amen to that > If someone does that, you re-direct that fucking email to > /dev/null > > I heartily believe that it's a lack of caring, and a fear of > offending, that hamper really addressing the issues. > > There's plenty we all will never agree on, but there are some things > that I think both

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > I would encourage you to read what Camille Paglia wrote about Sarah > Palin, Every feminist knows that having a hot anchor woman with a communications degree as veep really moves feminism forward. Beauty pageants have known the magic of this success formula for decades and they

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
um no not at all. Some of us are gifted googlers is all, and others know a lot less than they like to think, hehe. > Because I care about something so stupid as taxation ... and there's this > whole other laundry list of issues going on - and because I haven't spoken > about them - I must not care

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
I'd just like to address the Roe vs Wade comment. The Supreme Court has already upheld a ban on partial birth abortion, a horrific procedure that might seem like it needs to be outlawed, but, and here is the key but, there is no exception for the mother's health. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/181742

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Is the Obama campaign so desperate that they are resorting to global > conspiracy theories to try and salvage their hopes? > HEY! That's MY conspiracy Robbie. You get your own. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
I would encourage you to read what Camille Paglia wrote about Sarah Palin, and about making the women's power movement a big tent that can accommodate conservative women as readily as liberal women. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Dana wrote: > > More to the point though, it bothers me that a w

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
Is the Obama campaign so desperate that they are resorting to global conspiracy theories to try and salvage their hopes? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Gruss wrote: >> RoMunn wrote: >> Re-instating the Cold War is a horrible thing for the US economy. > > It's not the US economy that neo-cons car

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
but why would "strong" be the lesser of the two evils? I am not going to beat you over the head as I know you don't like arguments. But from here, I see McCain's campaign doing the double-speak thing yet calling itself the Straight Talk Express. Two recent examples: 1. Claiming that "lipstick on

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Re-instating the Cold War is a horrible thing for the US economy. It's not the US economy that neo-cons care about (clearly); it's the defense economy. You see nothing keeps "madmen" in power like made-up boogeymen. And nothing keeps those madmen rich like spending on those mad

Re: We need more cowbell (was Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers)

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
My sympathy. I go through much the same thing over Caesar salad. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > late onset 1. about 3 years now > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > JJ wrote: >> > (diabetic diet makes you lon

Re: We need more cowbell (was Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers)

2008-09-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
late onset 1. about 3 years now On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > JJ wrote: > > (diabetic diet makes you long for weird things sometimes) > > > > type 1 or 2? > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8

Re: We need more cowbell (was Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers)

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > (diabetic diet makes you long for weird things sometimes) > type 1 or 2? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748

Re: We need more cowbell (was Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers)

2008-09-10 Thread Dana
the buzzz is gaming to teach millenials. At least that's my understanding... On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:25 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Spill, you asshole! *grin* > > What's the deal on collab vs. coop? Really all that sounds good, what > nasty stuff have you caught out there? ~

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
McCain has, in the verbage of Presidential politics, pulled a Clinton. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Gruss wrote: > McCain has sold every principle he's ever had (compare Senator > McCain's positions to Candidate McCain's postions) to win the > nomination.

Re: We need more cowbell (was Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers)

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
Spill, you asshole! *grin* What's the deal on collab vs. coop? Really all that sounds good, what nasty stuff have you caught out there? M Cast iron... -- For a man who no longer has a homeland, writing becomes a place to live. Theodor Adorno On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Jer

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > political coercion of neighbors using oil and > gas as a weapon (e.g. do what we say or we'll cut off the gas and your > people will freeze to death this winter), jailing of political > opponents, suppression of free speech and the shuttering of all > independent media- these are

Re: why wont russia just agree?

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
Re-instating the Cold War is a horrible thing for the US economy. It might be advantageous to Russia IF oil goes up, but as we see right now, oil is going down even though Russia is flexing its muscles, so I don't buy the premise that a new Cold War would fuel oil price rises. I also don't think Bu

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Sam wrote: > You say plenty but never get specific. > > The whole domestic spying thing wasn't what it seemed and we talked > about it extensively. Um, you must be misremembering. > If you're not getting calls from a known terrorist overseas they > aren't listenin

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
How much of the oil that is produced in the states now is sold only in the states? As for it being cheaper to sell inside the statesdoesn't that depend on the world markets. If the foreign guys want to pay more, aren't the oil companies going to weigh the cost/benefit ratio? I agree wi

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Erika wrote: > And why do believe it's criticial? What makes you think either party will be > able to get ahead on abortion issues? As I said, the SCOTUS is one appointment away from MAJOR changes in our laws. McCain has sold every principle he's ever had (compare Senator McCain's positions to

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
put 100% in where? the world market? and are you sure it's not "we put in 5% and take out 100%" On Sep 10, 2008, at 6:48 PM, Sam wrote: > We put in 100% and take out 100% it's a wash. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> can someone explain t

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > Presumably oil produced from wells will be sold in the US, though > there is no specific guarantee that it will happen. If I were selling > that oil, I would much rather sell it here than ship it somewhere else > farther away because it would be

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
How can some signing statements be constitutional and others not? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:58 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Sam wrote: >> What about them? >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM, denstar wrote: >>> What about the signing statements?: >>>

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
You say plenty but never get specific. The whole domestic spying thing wasn't what it seemed and we talked about it extensively. If you're not getting calls from a known terrorist overseas they aren't listening. Look at the way it was before the devil became president. If anyone you know happens

Re: and shrub had a PRIVATE meeting with this one!

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
what the hell, did they think they were living in the 70's or something? ;-) On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Tony wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/washington/11royalty.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss > > HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHA > > nice. > > solid effort numbnuts. > > drugs, sex, drinking, o

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Sam wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:39 AM, denstar wrote: > >> Offshore drilling -- putting more holes in the ground will not solve >> our energy problems. > > It will ease our dependence on foriegn oil until another solution comes along. That's illogical. We

Re: I hate asking this question, but I need to: can anyone recommend a hosting service...

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
That sounds like a pretty good plan. edge web hosting has a good shared plan, but I think it's CF 7, and I don't know about Apache. You might need a VPS for what you want. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > I love crystaltech > > But, the dont support apache and modrewrite and

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
Presumably oil produced from wells will be sold in the US, though there is no specific guarantee that it will happen. If I were selling that oil, I would much rather sell it here than ship it somewhere else farther away because it would be far more expensive and riskier to ship to Asia or Europe, t

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
We put in 100% and take out 100% it's a wash. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > can someone explain to me how drilling for oil will ease our > dependence on foreign oil? As far as I know, we buy our oil on the > open market. The private companies tha

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Robert Munn
Don't stop participating! Politics is a necessary element of a thriving democracy, and participation is both your right and your responsibility. I encourage everyone to participate, even people that call me charming things like a good totalitarian follower (thanks Larry). Your time commitments may

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
can someone explain to me how drilling for oil will ease our dependence on foreign oil? As far as I know, we buy our oil on the open market. The private companies that will be drilling/refining the oil will be selling it on the open market. If anything, it may drop the price of oil lower

and shrub had a PRIVATE meeting with this one!

2008-09-10 Thread Tony
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/washington/11royalty.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHA nice. solid effort numbnuts. drugs, sex, drinking, oil company employees doing shit getting shit and WOW sure, lets keep the same ole administration in there! w00 h00 NOT! -- tony Better

WHAT A CROCK!

2008-09-10 Thread Tony
talk about hypocrisy??? wtf GREAT trustworthy guy we got here. what a putz. again. what a putz. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPYkNQlJMM proof's in the pudding punk tony ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most importan

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Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Erika L. Walker wrote: > out fantastically. You're all very passionate about politics inn general and > I love it - but I have been trying to broaden my horizons a bit to learn > more and I get this feeling that I'm like a red-headed step child in the > proces

Re: We need more cowbell (was Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers)

2008-09-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
I was just laying here in the couch, dreaming of corn muffins cooked in cast iron over a fire. (diabetic diet makes you long for weird things sometimes) I have been chatting about amateur archeology (including architectural and native american), green and sustainable building techniques (what act

We need more cowbell (was Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers)

2008-09-10 Thread Erika L. Walker
See, now that's depressing. See what election year does to this place. I'm sorry Jerry. Wanna join me in a batch of muffins? :) and where you been cheating? ... hmmm ? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, the whole list is not much fun lately,

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Jerry Johnson
Erika, fwiw, I have pretty much tuned out the political discussion on the cf-community lists. They are not much fun. Actually, the whole list is not much fun lately, and I have been getting much of my "community" elsewhere. I've been cheating. Thank God for icanhasceezburger and xkcd. On Wed, Se

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Sam wrote: > What about them? > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM, denstar wrote: >> What about the signing statements?: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statement_(United_States) Thought you said Bush hadn't done nothing, sorta. Seems like that's a

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Sam wrote: > Present it. I remember that South Park episode! You want to see my left nut? Gross! But since you asked... *zip* There! You happy now? Seriously tho, are you not paying attention? There are legal battles going down, man, this isn't some crack-p

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
Supreme Court nominee John Roberts said Tuesday that the landmark 1973 ruling legalizing abortion was "settled as a precedent." He declined to answer specific questions about abortion and voting rights, citing cases he could face on the high court. The heart of the abortion ruling is "settled as a

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
It's because you don't worship Obama. You'll get used to it, or adapt :) On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll tell you all something else though - I have learned quite a few things > from some of the more level discussions here, and I hate politics wit

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Erika L. Walker
For the record, I respect all of you... and some of you have such dead on opinions on each candidate, for each side .. it's damn hard to figure it all out. To try and believe person a over person b over person a again. ya know ...?

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:39 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Offshore drilling -- putting more holes in the ground will not solve > our energy problems. It will ease our dependence on foriegn oil until another solution comes along. > The environment, and having undeveloped land for "th

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread morgan l
> > To me, in MY humble opinion --- Roe vs Wade is never going too be > overturned. Not by one of these two guys. And I think it's pretty naive of > people to think that it might. It's too big an animal with both sides > having > a pretty big voice. So to base my decision on which president to vote

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Erika L. Walker
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That is, with taxes there's no guarantee no matter who's elected what will happen. With abortion the election is critical. And why do believe it's criticial? What makes you think either party will be able to get ahead o

Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means

2008-09-10 Thread Erika L. Walker
"For some of us things like pro-life or pro-choice, or gun rights or gun control are big important issues" Those are actually important too ... but not by themselves should a decision be made. And as *I* have said - I've already made my pro and con list for the social issues. And some point to one

Re: anyone here from the charlotte, NC area?

2008-09-10 Thread Crow T. Robot
That's pretty cool of you, Matt, thanks for that offer. I'm not sure I am even going yet, so I'm not sure I at that point. Plus, I have very little ..NET experience (ie, I did one .NET site two years ago), so unless MS is throwing in training too, that's probably not going to be a good fit for ei

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
What about them? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about the signing statements?: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statement_(United_States) > > [... > President Reagan issued 250 signing statements, 86 of which (34%) > contained provisions objectin

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
Present it. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is plenty of evidence, Sam. > > That you don't care about being a good American, I *feel* I cannot change. > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
What about the signing statements?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statement_(United_States) [... President Reagan issued 250 signing statements, 86 of which (34%) contained provisions objecting to one or more of the statutory provisions signed into law. President George H. W. Bush continue

Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread denstar
There is plenty of evidence, Sam. That you don't care about being a good American, I *feel* I cannot change. =] -- Art is permitted to survive only if it renounces the right to be different, and integrates itself into the omnipotent realm of the profane. Theodor Adorno On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5

Re: who cares about the election, we don't need it ...

2008-09-10 Thread Erika L. Walker
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Re: Change?

2008-09-10 Thread Sam
Cheap Tuna is what makes a true American hero. Delay's evil and retired and Pelosi's the second in line for president. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Abramoff was seeking America's interests. > > You can't be down on the guy for that can you? It's because of

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