On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Sam wrote:
> Can stop with the other side is the devil bullshit and get back to
> discussing the issue?
> I really hate the game of hiding the topic under the guise of evil or
> stupid or whatever. Either discuss the topic or step off. Pretty
> simple.
I did disc
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:>
> I'd go for craven and despicable rather than over reaction but then
> again, I'm a hater. These are the same folks who claimed that Obama
> hated his own grandmother and "threw her under the bus".
I never heard he hated his grandmother bu
Stop talking over my head, a trick commonly used by the foremost
homeschooler, and respond to this without a simple dismisal of the
messenger.
Independent Medicare Advisory Board (now called the Independent
Payment Advisory Board), which is a panel of bureaucrats charged with
cutting health care
Actually it was Larry Lyons that brought it up. He represents your side.
So you're saying private insurance sucks but med* is awesome? It's
hard to debate against that kind of mindset.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> I agree, that would suck. Hence my concerns about fr
Death panel: Group of assholes the determine if you illness passes the
Cost-benefit analysis.
Medicaid is for poor people, medicare is for the over 65.
Doesn't really matter because neither is sustainable.
On the other hand, private insurance is what makes keeping people
alive profitable.
On W
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Personally, I think its an over reaction and nothing more than
> re-labeling of something that is already being done by private
> insurance, but the republicans won't go around calling the big
> insurance companies 'death squads', even though
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Paul Ihrig wrote:
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> you forget the bridge is still out...
>
>
>
oh snap... You're right I herd that 3 times today on NPR LOL
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you forget the bridge is still out...
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Casey Dougall <
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Paul Ihrig wrote:
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> >
> > i wouldnt say they suck.
> > but my wife xmass prez wont be here till friday.
> >
> > o well, its just
personally, I think the whole 'death squad' thing comes form the
thought that if government gets into the business of healthcare, then
at some point, someone will need to draw the line on what is and what
is not covered.
Personally, I think its an over reaction and nothing more than
re-labeling o
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> Avatar sounds like a high tech remake of Dances With Wolves.
Pretty much - the overreaching
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Paul Ihrig wrote:
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> i wouldnt say they suck.
> but my wife xmass prez wont be here till friday.
>
> o well, its just stuff..
> and it makes me sick really.
>
>
>
You should also be thinking about location of store when ordering online.
2 days from NYC to upsta
I agree, that would suck. Hence my concerns about fraud and waste in
Medicare and Medicaid. They aren't bad, per se, but I think they could
certainly be better. However, this death panel thing that Sam and
others keeps bringing up seems to be the opposite. They seem to think
that the big bad gover
i wouldnt say they suck.
but my wife xmass prez wont be here till friday.
o well, its just stuff..
and it makes me sick really.
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on the House of
Then they shouldn't keep the "2 day delivery" premium money, and refund as
much as necessary to charge for their ACTUAL delivery time.
(and no, they dont have to. they dont actually ever have to deliver the
package if you read the fine print. but right is right)
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM,
It seems a lot of people think that if the government gets in to the
business of healthcare that there will be no limits on any care and
that Uncle Sam will just keep cutting checks.
That would not be a good thing as it will bankrupt this country faster
than anything else we spend/spent money on.
I thought we were talking about Death Panels. My point, however, is
that government programs are routinely more generous in what they pay
for the physician to do. In some cases that's good (covering important
tests to determine what is wrong) and in some cases it is bad (more
fraud and gaming of t
Haha, and here I was thinking the exact same thing about you.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Sam wrote:
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> Nothing worthy to add yet you still did.
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Medicaide wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> All available evidence points to it becoming easier to get
> >> treated und
I don't think you've ever been right about anything on this list :)
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Dana wrote:
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> ha ;) the man who can get "death panel" from the professional guidance of a
> medical organization is accusing me of being "wrong" LOL.
>
> You have a nice day Sam.
>
~~~
Nothing worthy to add yet you still did.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Medicaide wrote:
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>>
>> All available evidence points to it becoming easier to get
>> treated under new regulations, not harder.
>>
>
> Yes but this doesn't help Sam's "the sky is falling" death panel rants in
> any way.
We're talking Medicaid not Medicare. Medicare isn't available to women under 40.
Five times the number of doctors will refuse new Medicaid patients
than they will private insurance patients.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> But why would it be any different than it is no
> Fedex blames it on the weather. Weather yesterday and today
> in Newark and Boston was/is clear.. temps in the 20s.
Perhaps it got stuck in line behind other packages that were delayed from
earlier in the week? It's a really busy time of year for all of the
shipping companies and the weather b
2nd day air package sent Monday. To be delivered by Wed 7pm in the Boston
area.
Package arrived in Newark yesterday at 1:55pm, but did not leave Newark for
Boston in 8:30am today.
It missed the delivery truck for today's delivery. Now it has to be picked
up by the recipient. Delivery for tomorro
ha ;) the man who can get "death panel" from the professional guidance of a
medical organization is accusing me of being "wrong" LOL.
You have a nice day Sam.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Sam wrote:
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> The real question is, why do you engage in conversations before
> thinking them throug
>
> All available evidence points to it becoming easier to get
> treated under new regulations, not harder.
>
Yes but this doesn't help Sam's "the sky is falling" death panel rants in
any way.
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But why would it be any different than it is now? Private insurers
give a lot more grief to physicians than Medicare does. Which is a
problem, really, there is a fair bit of billing fraud in the Medicare
system that they are working to bring down. Many physicians may not
like the reimbursement rat
I agree that's how it works now, but let's say the Dems buy enough
votes to put in the public option. Doctors on that plan might have to
shave the ten-fifteen minutes off of the routine exam in the future
because the panel said it has no benefit. I'm not saying it's written
in stone, just showing
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Sam wrote:
> If they decide there is no benefit they won't pay. But you're saying
> the doctor can sneak it in?
It isn't a sneaking in thing. Women, under most decent insurance
programs, get an annual physical that includes a pap smear, basic
physical exam, etc.
The real question is, why do you engage in conversations before
thinking them through, which will always guarantee you will be proven
wrong, which will always cause you to stomp your feet and try and
demoralize the person that was correct?
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Dana wrote:
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> I lear
I learned that I was correct when I said:
You can talk to Sam or you can ignore him. Both have the same effect, but
the latter allows you to take care of business.
Have a nice day, Sam.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Sam wrote:
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> I didn't waste your time. You actually learned things toda
I didn't waste your time. You actually learned things today. You're
just too stubborn to admit it.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Dana wrote:
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> we've reached that point where I say to myself "you know he wates people's
> time for fun. Why do you even talk to him?
~
we've reached that point where I say to myself "you know he wates people's
time for fun. Why do you even talk to him?"
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Sam wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Dana wrote:
> >
> > doctors never did teach self-exam, actually... that's a female thing.
>
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Dana wrote:
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> doctors never did teach self-exam, actually... that's a female thing.
>
It's a male thing too
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On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Sam wrote:
>>> They are out there, that's true. I am very certain
>>> nobody is telling anyone to not to self exam.
>>
>> The said they are of no benefit.
>
> That is incorrect. They said that they did no
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> Of course doctors are paid for their time to instruct, its an office
> visit. Our doctor does instruction on breast self exam during a
> woman's annual exam and since those are classified as preventative
> medicine visits, the visit is not
good doctor and good plan then.
Of course doctors are paid for their time to instruct, its an office
> visit. Our doctor does instruction on breast self exam during a
> woman's annual exam and since those are classified as preventative
> medicine visits, the visit is not only covered, the deducti
doctors never did teach self-exam, actually... that's a female thing.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Dana wrote:
> >
> > I think they are wrong. But that and five bucks will get you a mocha
> latte.
> > This is medical advice, which we are fre
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Sam wrote:
>> They are out there, that's true. I am very certain
>> nobody is telling anyone to not to self exam.
>
> The said they are of no benefit.
That is incorrect. They said that they did not recommend pushing self
examinations because of a high rate of fa
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
> But if as Judah says the real issues is lack of education about how to
> self exam, doctors won't be paid for there time to instruct since the
> are deemed by the panel to not be cost efficient. In other words, the
> amount of lives saved isn't worth
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Dana wrote:
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> I think they are wrong. But that and five bucks will get you a mocha latte.
> This is medical advice, which we are free to ignore. People do it all the
> time ;)
But if as Judah says the real issues is lack of education about how to
self exam, do
>
> The said they are of no benefit.
>
I think they are wrong. But that and five bucks will get you a mocha latte.
This is medical advice, which we are free to ignore. People do it all the
time ;)
>But you're glad you didn't miss one of them?
I'd just as soon have missed having my them actually
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Dana wrote:
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> I don't think the recommendation applies to women with a family history of
> early breast cancer.
That's correct.
> They are out there, that's true. I am very certain
> nobody is telling anyone to not to self exam.
The said they are of no bene
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> The recommendations don't apply to women with any elevated risk of
> breast cancer, family history especially.
You're right, I missed that.
> My wife will start getting
> yearly mammograms at age 40 because her mother had breast cancer.
How hackable are you? Would you be able to answer the security questions if
you had to?
http://www.labnol.org/internet/gmail-and-google-apps-hacked/11799/
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I think the key is becoming in tune with the body. I got a test a while
back, fifteen years before the recommended routine screening, because I had
symptoms and asked about them. This allowed for something to be no longer a
problem at a time when under the guidelines it would just be getting foun
The recommendations don't apply to women with any elevated risk of
breast cancer, family history especially. My wife will start getting
yearly mammograms at age 40 because her mother had breast cancer.
Sucks, but it is what it is. And, much to my everlasting annoyance,
there is a decreased emphas
> Where did that come from? We do know women get breast cancer before 40
> so why tell them not to test even with a history and not to self exam.
> As Mo has stated the insurance industry that's paying for it are
> pushing it more now.
>
I don't think the recommendation applies to women with a fa
They should really do something about that.
I can't believe they let that happen.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Vivec wrote:
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> http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/12/22/jamaica.plane/index.html
>
> 0_0
>
> :-(
>
> "inety-one people were taken to a hospital Tuesday evening after an
>
Interesting note...
If you go to aacargo.com, it says the flight landed at the gate.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 4:55 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: As many as 90 injured as plane slides off runway in Jamaica.
http://edit
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Sam wrote:
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> http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=213042303434
> Midnight Votes, Backroom Deals, and a Death Panel
>
>
> This health care bill is one of the most far-reaching and expensive
> expansions of the role of government into our lives. Were talking
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=213042303434
Midnight Votes, Backroom Deals, and a Death Panel
Last weekend while you were preparing for the holidays with your
family, Harry Reids Senate was making shady backroom deals to ram
through the Democrat health care take-over. The Senate ended
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/12/22/jamaica.plane/index.html
0_0
:-(
"inety-one people were taken to a hospital Tuesday evening after an
American Airlines plane overran a runway near Kingston, Jamaica,
during bad weather and crashed into a fence, officials said.
None of the injuri
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