Re: speaking of the US justice system

Jesus, it gets worse and worse, and of course the governments lawyers take no responsibility in informing the defendants. Christ. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Dana wrote: > > Convicted defendants left uninformed of forensic flaws found by Justice > Dept.By Spencer S. > Hsu< > http://www.w

speaking of the US justice system

Convicted defendants left uninformed of forensic flaws found by Justice Dept.By Spencer S. Hsu , Monday, April 16, 6:54 PM Justice Department officials have known for years that flawed forensic work

RE: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

*crickets chirping* -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:11 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush Yep. And when they approved the Health Care act, pundits stated that polls

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

Yep. And when they approved the Health Care act, pundits stated that polls showed that 7 out of 10 Americans didn't want it, so Congress was going against the will of the people. Polls today show 7 out of 10 Americans want the Buffett act. So where were the pundits calling for Congress to compl

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

A subset of the roman empire yes? As in not an independent nation state? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Romans called it Palestine after they sent the Jews on their diaspora...it > wasn't a subset, but the entire area... > > > -Or

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RE: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

Yeah...blocked debate...not voted against it...but blocked debate. That is being obstructionist. When are republican voters going to wake up realize that they don't give a shit about you unless you can contribute thousands and millions of dollars to their campaign coffers? -Original Message

RE: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Romans called it Palestine after they sent the Jews on their diaspora...it wasn't a subset, but the entire area... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:59 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northe

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

If our government pulled back in size and scope into the limits imposed by the constitution, our budget wouldn't be near the size it is today, ans income tax would be a thing of the past. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Vivec wrote: > > And this is what I am talking about. > > Republicans have

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

And this is what I am talking about. Republicans have BLOCKED (again) debate about the President's Buffet rule which would have tried to even out the disparity and the inequality. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/us/politics/buffett-rule-debate-blocked-by-republicans.html

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Did you forget I thoroughly debunked that? You never seem to learn. . On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > well not directly born republican or democratic,  but neuropsych > differences have been found between self identified conservatives and > liberals. For instance the

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Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

When was it anything else but a subsection of another country? You know when? When it was Judea, that's when. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > How is that? There is documentation going back to the Roman empire calling > he region Pale

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

I am, but lets examine it shall we? "The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers ve

RE: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

How is that? There is documentation going back to the Roman empire calling he region Palestine... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:04 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Wait

RE: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

Ever hear of the necessary and proper clause? -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush The Auto bail out maybe wasn't a failure, but wasn

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

It seems to me that those slavering most for a war are those who will not be fighting it. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:23 PM, PT wrote: > > Iran has a pretty decent infrastructure.  Something like 3/4 of the > population are college educated, women have more rights than in a lot of > other Islamic

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

How many do you want? http://www.cell.com/current-biology/retrieve/pii/S0960982211002892 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Search&term=Soc.%20Cogn.%20Affect.%20Neurosci.[ta]+AND+5[vol]+AND+349[page]&doptcmdl=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=Pub

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Iran has a pretty decent infrastructure. Something like 3/4 of the population are college educated, women have more rights than in a lot of other Islamic states, and they even build all of their own military equipment. They wouldn't be a bad country to have as friends if they didn't have a d

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Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Minor correction: The decisions are being made by politicians who are owned by the weapons manufacturer and oil companies. Iran and Ahmadinejad are just that latest bogeyman. If they conceded to all the current requests, next week there would be a new one. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Mi

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

The decisions are not being made by the weapons and oil businesses alone. I'm not even convinced that they are making the decisions at all. Circling like vultures to take advantage maybe but not actively pushing. A vague 'They' is an overly broad brush to use in any case. I see one bat ass crazy

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

There is an alternative, but most people are too comfortable in their lives to consider it. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson >wrote: > > > What we are doing isn't working. But none of the major proposals I have > >

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > What we are doing isn't working. But none of the major proposals I have > seen move me, and therefore I think don't appeal to others either. I don't think that this country is capable of "big change" in that regard. For the same reas

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Yep, I think we are all agreed here. The problem I have is that all of the arguments to date don't seem to work for me (much like Facebook, lol). I am still ambivalent on possible solutions. What we are doing isn't working. But none of the major proposals I have seen move me, and therefore I thi

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

I have done sound at some benefits recently for organizations that purport to oppose the War of Drugs. I have rarely experienced such a total cluster-f@ck. Until the opposition gets organized with funding and some real leadership, the War on Drugs will go on, because those who support it are ext

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > "Caused by the war on drugs" is far, far, far different than "a HUGE > majority of the people incarcerated should not be." > > Violence and theft, regardless of the cause, is still violence and theft. I agree that each person should b

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

True. But those who are rational and sane aren't making the decisions. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > No one rational wants war. No one sane wants war. > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Maureen wrote: >> >> Those who manufacturer weapons and supply the militar

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Agreed, but if you want to lower those numbers, you need to treat the root causes. The well meaning liberal welfare state, the collapse of the family unit, the failure of our education system, and the war on drugs are all parts of the equation. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

No one rational wants war. No one sane wants war. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Those who manufacturer weapons and supply the military slaver at the > thought of war, and right now they are one of the most powerful forces > making decisions in the US, right behind the Petro

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Not a single comment, no one wants to refute anything I've said? Agree with anything I've said? "Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything." - Alexander Hamilton On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:03 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > Agreed. > > That's why the way I see out of this mess requires us to u

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

"Caused by the war on drugs" is far, far, far different than "a HUGE majority of the people incarcerated should not be." Violence and theft, regardless of the cause, is still violence and theft. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jerr

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Those who manufacturer weapons and supply the military slaver at the thought of war, and right now they are one of the most powerful forces making decisions in the US, right behind the Petroleum industry, which wants the land in the middle east. It is very naive to say no one wants war. On Mon,

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

The national clearinghouse for these sorts of statistics is the Bureau of Justice Statistics. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm You probably want to look at Data Analysis Tools, By Crime Type. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=datp&tid=3 Cheers, Judah On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Je

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > Now THAT is exactly what I was hoping to see. > > That is awesome. Thanks. Lots of reading tonight. Unfortunately, that data is unlikely to indicate non-drug offense which were committed in connection to drugs in some way. Addicts ste

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > The statement that was made was: > > > a HUGE majority of the people incarcerated should not be. > > That is a pretty specific and damning statement. And I have seen it about > 30 times on various lists since this Zimmerman case got eve

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Now THAT is exactly what I was hoping to see. That is awesome. Thanks. Lots of reading tonight. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Maureen wrote: > > This report is from California prisons for the last year: > http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/News/docs/2011_Annual_Report_FINAL.pdf > > The breakdown by off

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

This report is from California prisons for the last year: http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/News/docs/2011_Annual_Report_FINAL.pdf The breakdown by offense type begins on page 40. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > > I don't know that these numbers below don't seem to tell th

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

No one has tried it? You have been reading the news for the last X number of months/years, right? Offers of deals to help out Iran, requests for them to live up to their signed agreements as per the nuclear non-proliferation act, etc. Before there were sanctions there was diplomacy and even now th

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

The statement that was made was: > a HUGE majority of the people incarcerated should not be. That is a pretty specific and damning statement. And I have seen it about 30 times on various lists since this Zimmerman case got everyone talking about crime. Huge majority. that means way over 50% to

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Sources? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > well not directly born republican or democratic, but neuropsych > differences have been found between self identified conservatives and > liberals. For instance the part of the brain that mainly deals with > processing fear an

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Nixon started the war on drugs, though Reagan did increase it's scope and size considerably. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Maureen wrote: > > California is 17th among states. The US leads the world in > incarcerations mainly because of the length of the prison sentences. > Most of the inmat

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Agreed. That's why the way I see out of this mess requires us to use overwhelming force against them. To the point of capitulation. This won't work as a one nation solution though. Ok, look, I have spent years of my life in Muslim countries. Not just Afghanistan, but places like Egypt, Kuwait

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

It's hard to know how well diplomacy would have worked in situations over the last 20 years, because no one has tried it. Certainly it was rejected out of hand by the Bush administration prior to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even when Saddam offered to have discussions, Bush refused. On Mo

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Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

well not directly born republican or democratic, but neuropsych differences have been found between self identified conservatives and liberals. For instance the part of the brain that mainly deals with processing fear and anxiety related information tends to be larger among conservatives. In cont

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

California is 17th among states. The US leads the world in incarcerations mainly because of the length of the prison sentences. Most of the inmates in are black males. The percentages have quadrupled since 1980 when Reagan took office and started the war on drugs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:45 PM, GMoney wrote: > People are born blackpeople are not born democrat or republican. > > I find that far less distasteful than blanket statements about people who > are solely a member of a group because of genetics. Sure, I can accept that there are shades in

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > Assigning fault I am fine with. My problem comes from political prejudice. > To me, it's just as distasteful to say "all black people are " as it is > to say "all republicans / democrats are ". > Hmmmi don't necessarily agr

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Look, we screwed up, overthrew their government and put a tin pot dictator > in power. They revolted and created their bat shit crazy Islamic > republic. It should have and could have ended there. I mean it took us a > while to get ove th

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

I've spoken plainly of my dislike of the Fed here, and I agree that they are a blight on our nations monetary policy. That doesn't take away from the governments intervention in things it has no business being involved in. As to economists, many of them (Harvard, U of Chicago, Nobel winners) thi

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Dana wrote: > I have to say that "reich wing" makes me tune out as well. However, I think > you can go too far in the other direction, into a false equivalency where > everyone is at fault and nobody is responsible. Just saying. There must be > some middle ground

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

You may remember a little thing called the War of 1812. Yeah, took awhile before relationship between the US and England normalized. In general, though, I totally agree with you. But are we going normalize relationship by going to war with them again? You know that we won't even do a real war. We

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

ARRA has done some amazing things, really, but you might not have seen them. It has, hands down, done more to modernize healthcare IT than anything in decades. I see it because that's where I work. If I didn't work in that field, I probably wouldn't know because it doesn't seem to get talked about

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Look, we screwed up, overthrew their government and put a tin pot dictator in power. They revolted and created their bat shit crazy Islamic republic. It should have and could have ended there. I mean it took us a while to get ove the revolutionary war, but now we're the best of friends with Eng

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Diplomacy in action. Looks like Obama doesn't want a war...yet. > Go Go USA! > Starting Wars is the way! Events do not wait as Obama plays a delay defense By Jackson Diehl, Published: April 15 Barack Obama’s foreign policy strategy in this election year might be best summed up by William F. B

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

I have to say that "reich wing" makes me tune out as well. However, I think you can go too far in the other direction, into a false equivalency where everyone is at fault and nobody is responsible. Just saying. There must be some middle ground between "those so and so's (did whatever)", countered

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

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Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:52 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > I have something of a personal stake in the this. > > Two of my friends were killed by an EFP mine with Made in Iran all over > it. Look they started a war with us back in the 70's over some admittedly > bad shit the CIA did, and they haven

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

In my defense I only call them moonbats or such after they become belligerent. . On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > You guys (Cam and PT) are right in line with me. > > This goes just as much for the buzz words that Sam uses to describe the > democrats as well. > > Now to be

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

The Auto bail out maybe wasn't a failure, but wasn't within the constitutional powers allotted to the government in my opinion. The ARRA didn't create anywhere near the jobs it was supposed to, and I know you've seen the issues with the "green" companies that it supplied with millions of dollars

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

I have something of a personal stake in the this. Two of my friends were killed by an EFP mine with Made in Iran all over it. Look they started a war with us back in the 70's over some admittedly bad shit the CIA did, and they haven't stopped, and they aren't going to. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

It won't even take a full scale war, Israel has proven that in the past. We don't need to nation build here folks, don't need to even land troops. Just break shit and take lives, we're good at that. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > I se

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

You guys (Cam and PT) are right in line with me. This goes just as much for the buzz words that Sam uses to describe the democrats as well. Now to be honest I used to be the same way, but I have come to see that both of these parties, and their ideologies, are corrupt, money and power and more c

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

In what ways do you think the auto bail out and ARRA were failures? Judah On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:41 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Should have been more specific, had the auto bail out in mind. > > Not to mention the ARRA and his other bailout and "stimulous" plans. > > he has continued failed pro

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

Should have been more specific, had the auto bail out in mind. Not to mention the ARRA and his other bailout and "stimulous" plans. he has continued failed programs at every turn, including many he campaigned directly against. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Actually

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

I see constant and ongoing attempts at diplomacy. Attempts that fail against Iran. War is the last resort, but in some cases it is a valid resort. > Irrelevant. > > Going to war with the country isn't the answer, clearly. ~| Ord

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Because diplomacy has worked so well in the past right? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Irrelevant. > > Going to war with the country isn't the answer, clearly. > > On 16 April 2012 11:22, Michael Dinowitz > wrote: > > > > Because Iran with a Nuke will bring world peace! > >

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Yup. Every time I see something like "Reich wing", my knee jerk reaction is to discount the entire post. Just sayin' On 4/16/2012 11:43 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > Generally speaking, as long as the conversation uses those party labels, > you've lost me. I tend to toss out any argument tha

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

I know, shouldn't be surprised to see political hit pieces like this, but sometimes the sheer lack of intellectual honesty still gets me. In a recession, poor and middle class people lose ground faster than the wealthy because they lose jobs and don't have any income other than jobs. Job loss als

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

Irrelevant. Going to war with the country isn't the answer, clearly. On 16 April 2012 11:22, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Because Iran with a Nuke will bring world peace! > >> Go Go USA! >> Starting Wars is the way! ~| Order th

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Actually I've been having some very interesting conversations with > some Republicans lately. Its made me realize that the party label is > nothing. Its the ideology at fault. > > Party labels shift over time (consider southern Democrats o

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Actually I've been having some very interesting conversations with some Republicans lately. Its made me realize that the party label is nothing. Its the ideology at fault. Party labels shift over time (consider southern Democrats of the 60's are the Republican stalwarts now), but the ideologies a

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

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Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

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Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > I am not blaming the party in this case, rather I'm blaming the > ideology. There is a difference. Bullshit. The word "Republican" shows up in 100% of your previous posts in this thread. I think everyone on this list has pretty clearly

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > I hear this on a daily basis. > > Do you have any actual numbers to back this up? > > Or does anyone have numbers about the percentage of incarceration for > non-violent drug crimes (hopefully broken down by type or class of drug)? I

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

I hear this on a daily basis. Do you have any actual numbers to back this up? Or does anyone have numbers about the percentage of incarceration for non-violent drug crimes (hopefully broken down by type or class of drug)? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon,

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

I am not blaming the party in this case, rather I'm blaming the ideology. There is a difference. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > >> California is hardly is Republican bastion and has one of the highest rates >> o

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > California is hardly is Republican bastion and has one of the highest rates > of incarceration. > > Your bias is showing. > > Let's debate on the merits of an idea and leave party politics out of it. > At this point both parties ate controlled

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

individual cases not group trends. But also remember about California, it had a republican legislature and governor when many of those laws were passed. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > California is hardly is Republican bastion and has one of the highest rates > of incarcer

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

Actually TARP was signed into law by Bush. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:31 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Come on Gellie, this isn't just a republican issue, and if you look at it > with an open mind you'll see that.  He has the power of veto, he can stop a > budget in it's tracks, same with tax cuts. >

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

California is hardly is Republican bastion and has one of the highest rates of incarceration. Your bias is showing. Let's debate on the merits of an idea and leave party politics out of it. At this point both parties ate controlled by monied special interests and not their constituents. On Mon,

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Couldn't agree more. Look at Portugal, among the lowest use rates in the western world, and they decriminalized everything to include Heroin and Coke. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Decriminalising drugs that are now illegal for personal use would cut > those numbers by more

Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

Come on Gellie, this isn't just a republican issue, and if you look at it with an open mind you'll see that. He has the power of veto, he can stop a budget in it's tracks, same with tax cuts. He signed the bail outs. Obama is a Wall Street puppet just as much as anyone in Washington. Look at h

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

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Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

In one sense this is the result of years of such laws as 3 strikes an you're out, increasing minimal penalties, and in a lot of republican controlled states the elimination of parole and early release and the elimination of various social programs intended to help ex cons reintegrate and prevent t

Re: Zimmerman charged in Martin's death...

Decriminalising drugs that are now illegal for personal use would cut those numbers by more than half I've read. Europe has mostly decriminalised these drugs, and the police have more time to go after "real" crimes. It all seems to be one vicious cricle in which people are getting quite rich off

Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack

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Re: Growth of Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama than Bush

What's he supposed to do when every attempt to address the situation is blocked by Republicans? Surprised this article glossed over that very salient point. The article also fails to address the economic collapse which Obama inherited. Of course during such a time income will be low, and if the R