Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you can’ t qu

2012-07-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Tim, Where or how do you think that groups like Koney's LRA or even the Taliban get their arms and equipment. That's what this treaty is hoping to limit. But you think that the current international arms regime is OK That allows butchers and thugs to buy military firepower without worry. As I

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you can’ t_

2012-07-12 Thread LRS Scout
How many of those children would be alive if their fathers had stood up, armed, and said enough? On Jul 12, 2012 9:35 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Tim, Where or how do you think that groups like Koney's LRA or even the Taliban get their arms and equipment. That's what

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you can’ _

2012-07-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Anyhow you can believe that myth. Then try figuring out how it applies to how Charles Taylor or the LRA recruit children. Until you know what you're talking about this conversation won't go anywhere. Start here first. http://www.child-soldiers.org/home On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:40 AM, LRS

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you can’

2012-07-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
Where or how do you think that groups like Koney's LRA or even the Taliban get their arms and equipment. As an interesting DOJ aside, the Mexican drug cartels use child soldiers and the Mexican Drug cartels get their guns from the DOJ via the ATF. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you ca

2012-07-12 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: Where or how do you think that groups like Koney's LRA or even the Taliban get their arms and equipment. As an interesting DOJ aside, the Mexican drug cartels use child soldiers and the Mexican Drug cartels get their

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you c

2012-07-12 Thread Maureen
Even the idea that ATF provided any guns has been debunked. At worse, they failed to prevent a small number of illegally purchased guns from being delivered to the cartels because a DOJ prosecutor refused to press charges, but in no instance did the ATF provide those weapons.

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you_

2012-07-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Hey don't you know that according to many on the right, facts are UnAmerican and probably a commie plot. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Even the idea that ATF provided any guns has been debunked. At worse, they failed to prevent a small number of

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you

2012-07-12 Thread Maureen
Yeah, let's not let facts get in the way of a good political donnybrook. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Hey don't you know that according to many on the right, facts are UnAmerican and probably a commie plot.

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you_

2012-07-12 Thread Sam
Seems you'd be wrong in that statement: Isn't that how we know an ATF gun killed Brian Terry? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/8/stand-down-orders-stymied-fast-furious-gun-trackin/ . On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Even the idea that ATF

RE:_You_can_quote_those_who_speak,_but_you_

2012-07-12 Thread Eric Roberts
The gun came from the Lone Wolf gun shop...not the ATF. Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens Consulting ow...@threeravensconsulting.com http://www.threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-881-1515 -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you c

2012-07-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
the Mexican drug cartels formerly got a small percentage of their guns via the ATF ... So that makes it okay? ... in a very misguided law enforcement program which no longer exists. F F maybe dead, but who knows what else in play. No one would know about FF except for the tragic shooting a

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you_

2012-07-12 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: the Mexican drug cartels formerly got a small percentage of their guns via the ATF ... So that makes it okay? No, it makes you criminally wrong and continuing a habit of using incorrect throw away statements for snippy

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you

2012-07-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
Seems you'd be wrong in that statement: Isn't that how we know an ATF gun killed Brian Terry? Dude, leftist are never wrong. It is ALWAYS someone else's fault. How dare you. Anyway, here is a classic counter example by ATF agent John Dodson. On June 1, Dodson used $2,500 in ATF funds to

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_you

2012-07-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
No, it makes you criminally wrong and continuing a habit of using incorrect throw away statements for snippy and partisan purposes with no real attempt to do anything useful and worthwhile. Criminally? Nice. Partisan? You brought up the DOJ from another administration in an attempt at

Re: _You_can_quote_those_who_speak,_but_you_

2012-07-12 Thread Sam
So how did the ATF track the gun to their program? If they weren't responsible for it and all that. . On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: The gun came from the Lone Wolf gun shop...not the ATF. Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens

Re: “You can quote those who speak, but_yo

2012-07-12 Thread Sam
I feel sad even playing this game of kicking them with facts while they are so far down the hole. But sometimes I get bored and play. . On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: Seems you'd be wrong in that statement: Isn't that how we know an ATF gun killed

RE: _You_can_quote_those_who_speak,_but_you_

2012-07-12 Thread Eric Roberts
All firearms have serial numbers... Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens Consulting ow...@threeravensconsulting.com http://www.threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-881-1515 -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:34 PM To:

Re: _You_can_quote_those_who_speak,_but_you_

2012-07-12 Thread Sam
Not following along are you? The were being tracked to catch the gun runners. THAT gun was part of the ATF Gun Walker tracking program. . On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: All firearms have serial numbers... Eric Roberts Owner/Developer

RE: _You_can_quote_those_who_speak,_but_you_

2012-07-12 Thread Eric Roberts
What the article is saying is that it wasn't one of the tracked guns. Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens Consulting ow...@threeravensconsulting.com http://www.threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-881-1515 -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent:

Fast and Furious

2012-07-12 Thread Maureen
[Note: I changed the subject] Some questions for you, Jerry. Why do you think the DOJ prosecutor in Arizona told the ATF agents not to arrest the gun buyers? Do you think he was acting on orders from Eric Holder, or possibly even Obama? Or is it possible that he was trying to follow the letter

Re: Fast and Furious

2012-07-12 Thread Dana
thanks for the subject line change. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: [Note: I changed the subject] Some questions for you, Jerry. Why do you think the DOJ prosecutor in Arizona told the ATF agents not to arrest the gun buyers? Do you think he was

Re: Happy Fourth peeples!!!

2012-07-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Dang it! No :( On Jul 11, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Cool did you get out to the Kauai coffee estates? I found them much better than Kona. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: Was in Kauai and around hanalei it

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Re: Fast and Furious

2012-07-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Just an FYI, Fast and Furious was started in 2006 by AG Alberto Gonzalez of the Bush administration. The same one who tried to fire federal prosecutors for political reasons. I could go more into that part of it, but too many right wingers would prefer to lay blame on Obama and Holder rather than

Re: Happy Fourth peeples!!!

2012-07-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Pity, you missed out. The coffee is very very good. What I loved when I was there was sitting out on the deck just outside the main building drinking coffee roasted on site that morning. http://www.kauaicoffee.com/ On Thursday, July 12, 2012, Gruss Gott wrote: Dang it! No :( On Jul 11,

Re: Fast and Furious

2012-07-12 Thread Judah McAuley
It was a pretty stupid program regardless of who started it. Holder (and Obama if he knew about it, I'm not sure if he did) deserves plenty of blame for continuing and/or expanding it. The current admin gets no free pass from me for doubling down on dumb ass programs. Judah On Thu, Jul 12,